How's this for cooling a Duron?

[SykoFreak]

Another question: if you put a peltier on a Duron, wouldn't you have condensation problems because the peltier is so much wider and longer than the processor on the Duron? How would one solve this problem?

 

[Dexion]

<< The Arcticooler doesn't look very big (less surface area) and has a relatively small fan (less CFM) how could it be so superior? >>


If you compare it with the Golden orb, the reason why circular heatsinks perform better per weight is the amount of surface area. If you closely study the spec pictures, they have a full document on the airflow involved and maximized the surface cooling of the heatsink = cooler CPU. This is &quot;futuristic architecture&quot; at its best. If you compare this Arcticooler to an alpha, its like comparing a sleek compact japanese car to a brute force american automobile. Both can get the job done effectively. Compared with an Alpha, the Articooler is quite at par at cooling(not Golden orb though). There is one drawback, these circular heatsinks are not peltier capable.



<< Another question: if you put a peltier on a Duron, wouldn't you have condensation problems because the peltier is so much wider and longer than the processor on the Duron? How would one solve this problem >>


I believe(correct me if I'm wrong) that the Duron processor is actually the same size as a Flipchip, PPGA, Socket 7? the only exception is that it has more pins. Are you talking about the actual slug of the processor? I can't see how a 40mm x 40mm Peltier would have much problem with Duron.

 

[SykoFreak]

You know the blue thing that protrudes out of CuMine processors? The reason why you need a copper spacer (or something of that purpose)? The core (which is what I THINK it's called) is much smaller than 40mm * 40mm. The peltier would only come into contact with the core. The surface of the peltier that would NOT come into contact with the core would cause some condensation because of the low temperatures and no hot surface to cool.

 

[SykoFreak]

Ok, I found out what the slug is. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

 

[Dexion]

Well first off, for peltier setups you need a COLD PLATE. The core of the Duron(I would assume)won't be much larger than the current CuMine since both are using .18u. Purchasing a Copper shim(or making your own) would solve the &quot;see sawing&quot; problem. Honestly, I don't quite understand why it won't have anything to cool. As long as the cold plate is in physical contact with the CPU core(where all the heat comes from) then your all set. Secondly, if you are using a peltier having closed cell foam surrounding the entire socket is a complete must, this acts as a AIR sealer, which in turn keeps condensation from little to zilch.

 

[Rainguy]

Let's get back to the question of how you plan on overclocking a Duron 700 to 900+??? These are clock locked and the most the FSB will go is usually 110 with this chip. This would give you a 770 Max. From the tests I read, most do not even run reliably at 110 and only at 105 so that means to run 100% stable you are looking at 735. Doesn't seem like you will need an elaborate or expensive cooling solution.

 

[SykoFreak]

But the area around the slug isn't completely flat. It has those little chips around it.

 

[Dexion]

As long as the flat core is the highest point on the chip, it'll work fine with any peltier. Why wouldn't it be the highest point on the chip?? What good is ANY heatsink if those things are in the way? Those AMD PR guys aren't that dumb, I'm sure it rises above the cache chips. If worst comes to worst, pull out a penny.. hammer the sucker, then lap it nice and flat.. Use it as a riser on the core. Then slap the Coldplates &amp; Peltiers on it, but I doubt you even need it. Knowing AMD, its not remotely even possible that the cache chips would rise above the core.

Better yet, get some non conductive thermal substance and slap some on the cache chips too, that way it its even possible to reach a higher clock speed.

 

[Dexion]

Sykofreak, I don't know why your worrying so much. I'm sure nice overclocking products for Durons and Thunderbirds will be available.

Check out this pic.

http://www.hardocp.com/news_images/2000/july2k/070200a.html

Look behind the Thunderbird 1Ghz, I wonder what that is
Those Japanese guys are crazy overclockers there, I'm sure they will have nice products that would indirectly influence the American market. BTW, those Alphas are Japanese grown.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Duron is almost physically identical to a Thunderbird, it has LESS cache, *CORRECTION* but since the cache is on-die, those chips on the surface are resisters or transisters. So there will be no physical difference between the Duron and Thunderbird. Therefore, that Coppershim will definately fit perfectly on the Duron. I'm very sure a Peltier would definately work will with that shim

 

[Marty]

Dexion, both the Thunderbird and Duron have on-die cache. That means the cache is a part of the large chip. The smaller ones, I think, are resistors, voltage regulators, or something along those lines.

Marty

 

[Dexion]

ahh!! ok

Completely forgot about that. Thanks for clearing it up.