How's this for an out of control school?

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Riprorin
If it's just funding, how come city Catholic schools outperform city public schools at a fraction of the cost/student?

As I pointed out earlier, my friend's sister taught at a city school and only one or two parents/guardians bothered to show up for parent/teacher conferences. How is funding going to help lack of parental involvement?

Parents send their kids to Catholic (or other private schools, religious or otherwise) because they care about their kids in terms of education and morals. Therefore, almost as a given you're going to have parents that are involved, and students that are raised to be better behaved and hopefully more highly motivated.

I'm not sure how much moral training you get in a secular school, public or private, but I agree that parents who lay out cash for education (beyond what they pay in taxes) are more likely to be involved.

It seems to me that to get a good education you need dedicated and knowledgeable teachers, a safe, orderly, disciplined environment, sound moral instruction, and parental involvement/support.

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts

First off, I am majoring in Elem. Ed.

I would say that about 2/3 of the problems in "poor" schools stem from funding issues. A teacher that has to deal with funding issues all day will not do anywhere near as good a job as a teacher that does not.

I am not a teacher, but I have sent two generations of kids off to school.
Do you really think the problem in 'poor' schools is funding, or the fact that most of the children live in poverty and usually lack parental care/concern?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
You're a lib and you are for vouchers? My hat's of to you, you are probably the only one out there.

You're a conservative, you just haven't realized it yet!

Used to be.. but too many things I can't support. Death penalty, writting off the poor is a big one, long incarseration/manditory minimuns instead of rehabilitation efforts which I don't think work, IRS/DEA assest forfieture without judical review, Wars, Police state law enforcement tactics, pro big corporation intrests at the expense of the american dream where mom and pop stores are all disappearing, allowing monopolies to exist ...Microsoft, all oil cos, Walmart type box stores which are a perversion of the american dream IMO.

On the dem side and not all are this way I don't enjoy thier gun control, catering to education unions at the expense of the children, pro-abortion, and high taxes on the middle class where some are even being hit by AMT today.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Mill
Not really anything out of the norm. This stuff happens fairly often in public schools.

yup, happened every single day at the public high school I went to, when i switched to a private school , everyone said please and thank you and we had golden toilet seats and they taught me calculus in 20 minutes, even DE

At my kids school (inner city Catholic school), talking during a fire drill is a major offence. My daughter had to write "I will not talk during a fire drill" 100x for greeting her brother in the hallway on the way out of school.

Your sarcasm aside, inner city public schools have some real problems.

Agreed they do, but (and I am just speaking from what seems like common sense to me) the majority of schools are not in the inner city. If schools could get more funding for the staff and equipment they need, it would help tremendously, though I dont think it would solve the entire problem. Something more is needed, and I'm not sure what; I'm neither a parent or an expert in the field. Still, more money for education would be a good first step.

How often do you hear about an incident like this in a private school?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Riprorin
You're a lib and you are for vouchers? My hat's of to you, you are probably the only one out there.

You're a conservative, you just haven't realized it yet!

Used to be.. but too many things I can't support. Death penalty, writting off the poor is a big one, long incarseration/manditory minimuns instead of rehabilitation efforts which I don't think work, IRS/DEA assest forfieture without judical review, Wars, Police state law enforcement tactics, pro big corporation intrests at the expense of the american dream where mom and pop stores are all disappearing, allowing monopolies to exist ...Microsoft, all oil cos, Walmart type box stores which are a perversion of the american dream IMO.

On the dem side and not all are this way I don't enjoy thier gun control, catering to education unions at the expense of the children, pro-abortion, and high taxes on the middle class where some are even being hit by AMT today.

I agree with you on many of those points. I actually consider myself a libertarian.

 

[GermyBoy]

Well they gotta be careful around 6 year old black girls...:disgust:

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts

First off, I am majoring in Elem. Ed.

I would say that about 2/3 of the problems in "poor" schools stem from funding issues. A teacher that has to deal with funding issues all day will not do anywhere near as good a job as a teacher that does not.

I am not a teacher, but I have sent two generations of kids off to school.
Do you really think the problem in 'poor' schools is funding, or the fact that most of the children live in poverty and usually lack parental care/concern?

Therre is no doubt that the parrents are an issue. The real question is, what can we do about it. I am not awsare of any direct programs that are going to change parenting issues in the near future. These kids have two lives, one at school and one at home. If we can change one of these, then I hope to change the other.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts

First off, I am majoring in Elem. Ed.

I would say that about 2/3 of the problems in "poor" schools stem from funding issues. A teacher that has to deal with funding issues all day will not do anywhere near as good a job as a teacher that does not.

I am not a teacher, but I have sent two generations of kids off to school.
Do you really think the problem in 'poor' schools is funding, or the fact that most of the children live in poverty and usually lack parental care/concern?

Therre is no doubt that the parrents are an issue. The real question is, what can we do about it. I am not awsare of any direct programs that are going to change parenting issues in the near future. These kids have two lives, one at school and one at home. If we can change one of these, then I hope to change the other.

It seems to me that when 40% of the children in the white community and 70% in the black community are born out of wedlock, you have some big problems.

Clearly, there needs to be a change in people's hearts and minds. Religion is the most effective way to do that that I know of.

Maybe we need a religious revival.

Can you think of any other way to reverse the trend?