How's This For A Budget Upgrade

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batmanuel

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I know you're trying to stick to a budget, but for $25-$30 more you can replace the old and busted AXP 1800+ with the new hotness of a 2500+ that has a faster system bus and twice the L2 cache. Plus, if you get tempted to spend a little extra cash on PC2700 RAM, you might as well go for a processor that has a matching system bus so both the RAM speed and Frontside Bus Speed are both at 166 MHz DDR, since the NF2 boards run a bit faster when everything is in sync. I think you'll find the extra money worth it in the end.

It's nice to stick with a budget, especially with your kid's computers that aren't gonna be used for more than the Net and the Sims, and you don't want mission creep to set in and suddenly find yourself taking out a second mortage to pay for a new 3.4 GHz Hyperthreaded beast with liquid cooling and glowing neon lights. Right now, though, there really is a lot of really nice stuff piled up on the low end of the price range, especially since AMD is making the big transition to the A64 platform and the old stuff is priced to sell. Budgeting in an extra $50 or $100 on the project will actually make a pretty decent difference in overall performance if you spend a little bit extra here and there on just the right items (like going up a processor generation from a t-bred to a barton, or going from a 2MB cache hard drive to an 8MB hard drive).

Also, if you're willing to tie up some cash in a rebates for about 3-4 months, you can probably upgrade that hard drive to a 80GB or 120GB for the same money that you are spending on the 40GB. The rebates are a pain to deal with, but they really help bring the cost of the hard drives down. I just got back some rebates on my hard drive that knocked the cost of my Western Digital 120 SE down to $60. Just as you can never be too rich or too thin (except for Paris Hilton, that is), you likewise can never, ever have too much hard drive space. Especially if you have a mini DV camcorder and the kids want to start burning DVDs of their home movies when the DVD burner prices come down. Officemax has been running what seems like a weekly hard drive deal for the past month or so, and if you can lay your hands on some OM coupons somehow (my wife brings them home from her office all the time) you can probably make the deals a bit hotter. Assuming you can actually find a store that has the drives in stock, that is.
 

NokiaDude

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for just $8 more I'll sell you my ATI Radeon 7500 retail. It comes with everything found in the box.
 

NokiaDude

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Shuttle AN35N-Ultra - $65
AMD Barton "2500+" - $75
512mb Kingston DDR333 RAM - $77
ATI Radeon 7500 - $45

TOTAL - $262 + A whole lot faster than your setup now.
 

MournSanity

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Low budget eh?

Crucial 184 Pin 256MB DDR PC-2100 4T - OEM $38
Shuttle nForce2 Ultra 400 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU, Model "AN35N-Ultra" -RETAIL $61.99
AMD Duron 1.8GHz Socket A Processor - OEM $42
SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9000 Video Card, 64MB DDR, DVI/TV-Out, PCI -BULK $55

Subtotal »
$ 196.99

prices@newegg
 

caniroc

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After taking in all the info from everyone here, this is what I have decided will hopefully work for me.
Please feel free to critique any more.

Biostar M7NCG 400 $66
using it for the onboard video

AMD XP2000+ $58

Crucial PC 2100 256 mb $38

Western Digital 40 gb $65
7200 with 8 mb buffer

Total of $227
I mentioned earlier what I need this machine for and I think it will be good for my applications.

Bob
 

Snoop

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Originally posted by: caniroc
After taking in all the info from everyone here, this is what I have decided will hopefully work for me.
Please feel free to critique any more.

Biostar M7NCG 400 $66
using it for the onboard video

AMD XP2000+ $58

Crucial PC 2100 256 mb $38

Western Digital 40 gb $65
7200 with 8 mb buffer

Total of $227
I mentioned earlier what I need this machine for and I think it will be good for my applications.

Bob
Everythign sounds good Except, you really need to have two sticks of ram to utilize dual channel, as it makes the onboard video much faster. Can I ask where your getting these prices from? Because for just a tiny bit more, you could get a 80 gig hardrive and pc3200 memory (The Nforce 2 supports CPU's with 200 mhz fsb (400 DDR, or PC3200), I'd get the better memory because in say a year from now or so, you could put a 3200 cpu and a new vid card and have a nice system upgrade for less than 100 dollars.

PC3200 for 39
80 gig 7200 rpm drives starting at 65
 

caniroc

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OK, how about another stick of ram and I keep the HD that's in my system for now. Its only a 6 GB, but will it be OK for now?
That will put me at about $200. Prices were from newegg.

Bob
 

Snoop

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6gb? That will perform horridly, on second thought, go ahead and get the bigger drive and leave out the extra ram.
 

pdn

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What about the power supply? There is a possibility that your current P.S. may not run your new set-up. Going from a 400MHz set-up to a 1800XP. Especially if it's not P4/XP certified. I've experienced problems like that before in the past on a few systems that I've upgraded. If it doesn't support it, when you press the power button the fan(s) on your board might began to turn then stop or even the system will come on but will not p.o.s.t. nor will you see the monitor come on. I would try everything first before I spend the money on a new one. BTW you can buy one pretty cheap at Price Watch. I would start with a 300W min. and make sure it's P4/XP certified and has atleast 2 80mm fans.
 

caniroc

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Actually the power supply and case was upgraded last year when I put in a cdrw, so its not the original one. Pretty sure it was 350w.

Bob
 

pdn

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Originally posted by: caniroc
Actually the power supply and case was upgraded last year when I put in a cdrw, so its not the original one. Pretty sure it was 350w.

Bob

It might work then. Just to give you an example of where I'm coming from on one of my upgrades. I was using the same case and P.S. that was a 300WT AMD certified. I was thinking for sure that it would run it. But it wouldn't. I went from a 1300 Thunderbird to a 2200XP. I found out what my problem was when I swapped P.S.'s out with my 250WT(yes less wattage) P4 certified, hooked it up then it started just fine. BTW that P.S. was also working just fine before the upgrades. I wish you luck on your upgrades.
 

caniroc

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One more question. Is there specific brand of ram that needs to be used in the biostar board or can any kind be used?

Bob
 

randomlinh

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gee... what's w/ all the PC3200 recomendations.. it's a budget upgrade for his kids mainly... look at what they do... every "it only costs a lil' bit more" adds up, espcially when you throw in "oh, upgrade to 512, and spring for a 2500" etc etc...

I will go on the shuttle AN31N + RAM + CPU + HD for 202 that was suggested above. stick to your budget.
 

GregMal

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If you read the reviews (Newegg) on the Biostar board, most are recommending
Samsung or Crucial DDR...............Greg
 

pdn

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Originally posted by: GregMal
If you read the reviews (Newegg) on the Biostar board, most are recommending
Samsung or Crucial DDR...............Greg
Yes I agree! Try to stay away from the OEM versions because if your lucky they might work. But most of the time Samsung, Crucial, and Kingston are the best bets but they are a little more pricey though.
 

CraigRT

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I'd obviously switch the Radeon 7000.. it's basically a fancy 2d card.. maybe a Radeon 9100 or something.
 

GreatDaleness

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Originally posted by: lnguyen
gee... what's w/ all the PC3200 recomendations.. it's a budget upgrade for his kids mainly... look at what they do... every "it only costs a lil' bit more" adds up, espcially when you throw in "oh, upgrade to 512, and spring for a 2500" etc etc...

I will go on the shuttle AN31N + RAM + CPU + HD for 202 that was suggested above. stick to your budget.

My thoughts exactly. There will be NO difference in the applications they use. You don't need a fast system when "surfing the net and playing the Sims". His original budget was $200, and everyone wants to push it higher and higher and higher. Even 256MB will be fine if they use Windows 98. Probally enough for their use in XP as well. The Sims is a 2d only game, so they won't use the dual channel. If they want to play Sims2 you can either slap in a $50 video card or another 256 whenever it comes out.