How's Afghanistan doing these days?

Orsorum

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It's an honest question, I haven't heard anything about that country in a few weeks.
 

lozina

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http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&q=afghanistan

LEt's see...

Poppy production soars

Britain sending them more aid

US trying to crack down on poppy production

Presidential candidate receiving death threats

An article about what companies are cashing in on contracts there

Something about Afghanistan's army disappearing

And four girls committed self-immolation seemingly in protest to the restrictions against women

 

Moonbeam

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Yup, I was going to say they had a record opium crop. Probably had to bump off Arristide so the CIA can smuggle the heroin in through there.
 

alchemize

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Taliban is still gone, Al Qaeda training camps still gone. All that matters to me. I suggest all the liberals donate all their money to the UN for anything else they want done there...
 

EXman

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According to CNN we have Osama pinned down and we are just waiting til October to catch him right before the election.
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lozina

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Originally posted by: EXman
According to CNN we have Osama pinned down and we are just waiting til October to catch him right before the election.
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I must have missed this article, link?
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Taliban is still gone, Al Qaeda training camps still gone. All that matters to me. I suggest all the liberals donate all their money to the UN for anything else they want done there...

Yup, I got mine too. Who cares about people.
 

Martin

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talk of delaying presidential elections because no enough voters registered.

taliban regrouping and active in many southern regions.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
talk of delaying presidential elections because no enough voters registered.

taliban regrouping and active in many southern regions.

And everytime they regroup they get their ass handed to them.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: alchemize
Taliban is still gone, Al Qaeda training camps still gone. All that matters to me. I suggest all the liberals donate all their money to the UN for anything else they want done there...

Yup, I got mine too. Who cares about people.
I don't have enough love for 6 Billion people. I leave that to you and Jesus. Have you sent your contribution to the UN yet? Why are you wasting money on an ISP?

 

Martin

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
talk of delaying presidential elections because no enough voters registered.

taliban regrouping and active in many southern regions.

And everytime they regroup they get their ass handed to them.

Actually, most of the southern regions are lawless precicely because of them. There was an article in the globe and mail about what they do to villages in the south.

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040228.wtalib28/BNStory/Front/?query=taliban

Shah Joy, Afghanistan ? The intimidation tactics are simple, if horribly brutal.
A convoy of about 20 Honda motorcycles surrounds a house, looking for people who support the United States or President Hamid Karzai. If they find one, they kill him. If not, the householders are beaten to serve as a warning to others.
In the village of Shah Joy, about 300 kilometres southwest of Kabul, the return of the Taliban has been swift and harsh, as it is in about one-third of Afghanistan's southern regions where the ousted regime has regrouped and is widely thought to be preparing for a spring offensive against the Karzai government and its U.S. allies.
Even as U.S. and Pakistani forces carry out a major operation against al-Qaeda supporters to the east, the people of Zabul province have come under attack by a much more entrenched enemy. According to officials here, Shah Joy is like 70 per cent of the province ? it is either controlled by supporters of the Taliban or completely lawless.

visit the link for the rest, its interesting.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
talk of delaying presidential elections because no enough voters registered.

taliban regrouping and active in many southern regions.

And everytime they regroup they get their ass handed to them.

Actually, most of the southern regions are lawless precicely because of them. There was an article in the globe and mail about what they do to villages in the south.

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040228.wtalib28/BNStory/Front/?query=taliban

Shah Joy, Afghanistan ? The intimidation tactics are simple, if horribly brutal.
A convoy of about 20 Honda motorcycles surrounds a house, looking for people who support the United States or President Hamid Karzai. If they find one, they kill him. If not, the householders are beaten to serve as a warning to others.
In the village of Shah Joy, about 300 kilometres southwest of Kabul, the return of the Taliban has been swift and harsh, as it is in about one-third of Afghanistan's southern regions where the ousted regime has regrouped and is widely thought to be preparing for a spring offensive against the Karzai government and its U.S. allies.
Even as U.S. and Pakistani forces carry out a major operation against al-Qaeda supporters to the east, the people of Zabul province have come under attack by a much more entrenched enemy. According to officials here, Shah Joy is like 70 per cent of the province ? it is either controlled by supporters of the Taliban or completely lawless.

visit the link for the rest, its interesting.

I dont see the taliban coming back to their previous power anytime in the near future. The taliban has only got weaker as time as passed.
 

Martin

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
talk of delaying presidential elections because no enough voters registered.

taliban regrouping and active in many southern regions.

And everytime they regroup they get their ass handed to them.

Actually, most of the southern regions are lawless precicely because of them. There was an article in the globe and mail about what they do to villages in the south.

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040228.wtalib28/BNStory/Front/?query=taliban

Shah Joy, Afghanistan ? The intimidation tactics are simple, if horribly brutal.
A convoy of about 20 Honda motorcycles surrounds a house, looking for people who support the United States or President Hamid Karzai. If they find one, they kill him. If not, the householders are beaten to serve as a warning to others.
In the village of Shah Joy, about 300 kilometres southwest of Kabul, the return of the Taliban has been swift and harsh, as it is in about one-third of Afghanistan's southern regions where the ousted regime has regrouped and is widely thought to be preparing for a spring offensive against the Karzai government and its U.S. allies.
Even as U.S. and Pakistani forces carry out a major operation against al-Qaeda supporters to the east, the people of Zabul province have come under attack by a much more entrenched enemy. According to officials here, Shah Joy is like 70 per cent of the province ? it is either controlled by supporters of the Taliban or completely lawless.

visit the link for the rest, its interesting.

I dont see the taliban coming back to their previous power anytime in the near future. The taliban has only got weaker as time as passed.

No one is saying they'r back to their previous power, but everyone knows that they are so powerful that they keep the country from moving forward.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
talk of delaying presidential elections because no enough voters registered.

taliban regrouping and active in many southern regions.

And everytime they regroup they get their ass handed to them.

Actually, most of the southern regions are lawless precicely because of them. There was an article in the globe and mail about what they do to villages in the south.

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040228.wtalib28/BNStory/Front/?query=taliban

Shah Joy, Afghanistan ? The intimidation tactics are simple, if horribly brutal.
A convoy of about 20 Honda motorcycles surrounds a house, looking for people who support the United States or President Hamid Karzai. If they find one, they kill him. If not, the householders are beaten to serve as a warning to others.
In the village of Shah Joy, about 300 kilometres southwest of Kabul, the return of the Taliban has been swift and harsh, as it is in about one-third of Afghanistan's southern regions where the ousted regime has regrouped and is widely thought to be preparing for a spring offensive against the Karzai government and its U.S. allies.
Even as U.S. and Pakistani forces carry out a major operation against al-Qaeda supporters to the east, the people of Zabul province have come under attack by a much more entrenched enemy. According to officials here, Shah Joy is like 70 per cent of the province ? it is either controlled by supporters of the Taliban or completely lawless.

visit the link for the rest, its interesting.

I dont see the taliban coming back to their previous power anytime in the near future. The taliban has only got weaker as time as passed.

No one is saying they'r back to their previous power, but everyone knows that they are so powerful that they keep the country from moving forward.

Then why is the country moving forward. Much progress has been made there in the past couple of years(yes they do have a long road infront of them after 20 years of war)
 

Martin

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
talk of delaying presidential elections because no enough voters registered.

taliban regrouping and active in many southern regions.

And everytime they regroup they get their ass handed to them.

Actually, most of the southern regions are lawless precicely because of them. There was an article in the globe and mail about what they do to villages in the south.

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040228.wtalib28/BNStory/Front/?query=taliban

Shah Joy, Afghanistan ? The intimidation tactics are simple, if horribly brutal.
A convoy of about 20 Honda motorcycles surrounds a house, looking for people who support the United States or President Hamid Karzai. If they find one, they kill him. If not, the householders are beaten to serve as a warning to others.
In the village of Shah Joy, about 300 kilometres southwest of Kabul, the return of the Taliban has been swift and harsh, as it is in about one-third of Afghanistan's southern regions where the ousted regime has regrouped and is widely thought to be preparing for a spring offensive against the Karzai government and its U.S. allies.
Even as U.S. and Pakistani forces carry out a major operation against al-Qaeda supporters to the east, the people of Zabul province have come under attack by a much more entrenched enemy. According to officials here, Shah Joy is like 70 per cent of the province ? it is either controlled by supporters of the Taliban or completely lawless.

visit the link for the rest, its interesting.

I dont see the taliban coming back to their previous power anytime in the near future. The taliban has only got weaker as time as passed.

No one is saying they'r back to their previous power, but everyone knows that they are so powerful that they keep the country from moving forward.

Then why is the country moving forward. Much progress has been made there in the past couple of years(yes they do have a long road infront of them after 20 years of war)

Not much outside of Kabul and definately not as much as it could have if the US had a proper commitment.
 

charrison

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Not much outside of Kabul and definately not as much as it could have if the US had a proper commitment.

notable things that have happened...

Increased food production and reduced the number of Afghans dependent on food aid in 2002 from approximately 10 million to 6 million. Further progress will be made in 2003.

Contributed to an 82 percent increase in fall 2002 wheat yields by providing fertilizer and improved wheat seed to 113,000 farmers in 12 provinces. The resulting estimated increase in wheat production translates into an additional $69 net income per farmer?whereas average family income in similar countries is only $100?$200 total per year.

Established a crushing facility in Helmand to produce and market peanut and other oils from the high-value crops produced with USAID assistance.

Promotes high-value crop diversification (e.g., grapes, olives, peanuts, cotton) in poppy-growing areas for approximately 18,000 farmers. In exchange for participating in the program, farmers must give up producing poppy and are closely monitored. Since this program started, cotton production in the program area increased three-fold.

Effectively managed the currency conversion process on behalf of the central bank by providing personnel to staff the 52 exchange points as well as counting machines, shredders, and transportation for moving the currency.

Provided more than $25 million in fiscal years 2001 and 2002 for humanitarian projects with a cash-for-work or food-for-work component. USAID also is creating short-term jobs for approximately 3 million people. Local Afghans receive cash or food payments for providing services that benefit entire communities, such as repairing infrastructure.

Provided $700,000 to help Afghans begin small-scale, income-generating activities at the village level, such as kitchen gardens, embroidery, cheese and yogurt production, and shoemaking.

Provided millions for community government initiatives ranging from school reconstruction, irrigation system rehabilitation, public building rehabilitation, women?s initiatives, and communications systems to enable the Kabul government to connect to the provinces. These small grants give thousands of jobs to Afghans across the country and show immediate peace dividends to the populace.

Funds bakeries that employ widows and provide heavily subsidized bread to Afghanistan's urban poor. At least 250,000 people were assisted
in 2002.

Supported the 2002 Back-to-School campaign by printing 15 million textbooks for 2.9 million students, 30 percent of whom were girls.
Trained 3,600 teachers.

Produced and distributed 30,000 teacher instructional material kits.

Provided a curriculum development workshop for the Ministry of Education, NGOs involved in the education sector, and critical donors.
Established an accelerated learning program to address the problems of retention of over-aged students and lack of access for out-of-school youth.

Provided food salary supplement to 55,000 teachers, valued at 26 percent of monthly income.

Provides food rations as incentives for families to send their daughters to school.

Built/reconstructed 113 primary and secondary schools and teacher training institutes.

Will build or rehabilitate 1,000 more schools over the next three years.

Developed and managed the critical logistical support for the Emergency Loya Jirga, including its radio broadcast and transportation of delegates from across the country.

Funded a $290,000 initiative to link the Afghan government in Kabul with its 32 provincial governments through an advanced radio network capable of carrying voice and data communications. or the first time, local governments will have a reliable method of communicating with each other.

Provided the Ministry of Communications with three minibuses to help start a government pouch system between Kabul and the provinces.
Contributed $38 million in budget support through the Afghan Reconstruction Trust Fund.

Provided 74 small grants to 39 different Afghan government offices, including funds for rehabilitation of government offices and ministries and small grants to support their? priority projects.

Oversees the development of political parties and the preparation for the June 2004 elections.

Employs constitutional and rule-of-law experts to work with the Constitutional and Judicial Commissions.


Reopened the Salang Tunnel and made preparations for keeping it open during the winter. More than 1,000 vehicles and 8,000 people use the tunnel every day. Seventy percent of the fuel for Kabul passes through it.

Completed demining, grading, and leveling through 51 miles of Kabul-Kandahar-Herat Highway, and will begin asphalting soon.

Completed over 6,100 water-related projects, including wells, irrigation canals, karezes, dams, reservoirs, and potable water systems.

Supported over 225 spot reconstruction projects such as government buildings, schools, roads, bridges, irrigation systems and other community projects that provide local workers with thousands of days of labor.

Will rebuild thousands of schools, irrigation systems, and other vital infrastructure in villages adjacent to reconstructed highways.

Is rehabilitating 2,500 miles of road, is reconstructing 31 bridges, and has kept open an additional three mountain passes.

Then there is that 750 mile highway that is been rebuilt, i guess 750 miles is just barely out of kabul....

And there is much more.....
After 20 years of war, there is much work to be done here and much has been done. It seems all you want to do Marty, is crap on the efforts to rebuild this country. The US is largest aid giver to Afghanistan. If we stay the course there, Afghanistan will be thankingthe US(as many already do) for their efforts.


The nice folks in the US thank Canadians for their efforts in Afghanistan as well, but if you dont the US is doing enough, maybe you should tell your goverment to pony up some more cash for this effort.


 

Martin

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Originally posted by: charrison
Not much outside of Kabul and definately not as much as it could have if the US had a proper commitment.

The nice folks in the US thank Canadians for their efforts in Afghanistan as well, but if you dont the US is doing enough, maybe you should tell your goverment to pony up some more cash for this effort.

you know very well what I am talking about. The mere fact that the taliban exist and can do these sorts of things two and half years after they were kicked out.

further more 2000 troops for a country that is 10x smaller and spends 3x less on military is quite a contribution. If the US sent half the peole to AF that they did to iraq, these sorts of problems would not be happening.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Originally posted by: charrison
Not much outside of Kabul and definately not as much as it could have if the US had a proper commitment.

The nice folks in the US thank Canadians for their efforts in Afghanistan as well, but if you dont the US is doing enough, maybe you should tell your goverment to pony up some more cash for this effort.

you know very well what I am talking about. The mere fact that the taliban exist and can do these sorts of things two and half years after they were kicked out.

further more 2000 troops for a country that is 10x smaller and spends 3x less on military is quite a contribution. If the US sent half the peole to AF that they did to iraq, these sorts of problems would not be happening.

For the most part that taliban does not exist. We have been hearing stories of them regrouping for the past year or so. They regroup, they get hammered. It will take time to root out all the warlords who have lost their regional power and want to get that power back. I did not expect reconstruction of afghanistan to be an easy or a short task. For it to work, it will require us to stay the course until the job is done and ignore those that only wish to crap on and belittle the great amount of progress that has occurred.

I was not referring to your goverment sending more troops, I was regerring to goverment sending more cash, as that is what is really needed to speed reconstruction.
 

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WASHINGTON (AFP) - A retired army colonel commissioned by the Pentagon (news - web sites) to examine the war in Afghanistan (news - web sites) concluded the conflict created conditions that have given "warlordism, banditry and opium production a new lease on life."

Retired Army Colonel Hy Rothstein, who served in the Army Special Forces for more than 20 years, wrote in a military analysis he gave to the Pentagon in January that the US failed to adapt to new conditions created by the Taliban's collapse, The New Yorker magazine reported.

The failure to adjust US operations in line with the post-Taliban change in theater conditions cost the United States some of the fruits of victory and imposed additional, avoidable humanitarian and stability costs on Afghanistan," Rothstein wrote in the report.


"Indeed, the war's inadvertent effects may be more significant than we think."


The military should have used Special Forces to adapt to new conditions, Rothstein wrote.


The war "effectively destroyed the Taliban but has been significantly less successful at being able to achieve the primary policy goal of ensuring that al Qaeda could no longer operate in Afghanistan," he wrote.


The Pentagon returned the report to Rothstein with a request he cut it drastically and soften his conclusions, the magazine reported.


"There may be a kernel of truth in there, but our experts found the study rambling and not terribly informative," Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Joseph Collins told The New Yorker.

Pentagon report on Afghanistan criticizes war strategy: report

spin spin spin away
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This country should have been the PRIMARY focus for the GWB administration in the war on terror. Instead we go on a major DETOUR into IRAQ while al qaeda regroups, refocuses and recruits. A HUGE THUMBS DOWN TO GWB and his administration.