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How would you fix the health care system?

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Anarchist420

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I would abolish the FDA, Medicare, SS, allow interstate health insurance sales, make the income tax 28% after the first $125k, make the corporate tax 17.5% after the first $101k (and 100% tax credit per family insured by a business), end protections for lawyers looking to file frivolous lawsuits (certainly make it illegal for them to snoop around hospitals or search private records), and make patent quotas for big pharma (like 1 patent per year for each drug company and 6 months with no expiration).

Is all of this a good idea? Or do you think it's too much deregulation?
 
Chaos would ensue, Pharma industry would lose the confidence of Consumers to Foreign Pharma Corps who were strictly Regulated. Poverty amongst Seniors would explode. No money would be saved and the amount of Uninsured would explode.

If you want to fix it, you need to go the opposite way you suggest.
 
mandatory excercise

Each civilian shall report to a state operated workout facility and be monitored for successful exercise training by a gov't official.

Failure to report will result in a felony arrest warrant for criminal intent to be unhealthy.
 
Anarchist420 said:
I would abolish the FDA, Medicare, SS, allow interstate health insurance sales, make the income tax 28% after the first $125k, make the corporate tax 17.5% after the first $101k (and 100% tax credit per family insured by a business), end protections for lawyers looking to file frivolous lawsuits (certainly make it illegal for them to snoop around hospitals or search private records), and make patent quotas for big pharma (like 1 patent per year for each drug company and 6 months with no expiration).

Is all of this a good idea? Or do you think it's too much deregulation?
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Only cash or reasonable government backed financing (if you are qualified) available for payment of services. 1 million lifetime limit on financing. Minimum payment to be determined by balance, assets, and income. Upon death, all assets (or 50% if married) go towards balance, the rest is forgiven. All amounts forgiven are shown as line items in annual government budgets and to be paid for with taxes accordingly.
 
Ozoned said:
Only cash or reasonable government backed financing (if you are qualified) available for payment of services. 1 million lifetime limit on financing. Minimum payment to be determined by balance, assets, and income. Upon death, all assets (or 50% if married) go towards balance, the rest is forgiven. All amounts forgiven are shown as line items in annual government budgets and to be paid for with taxes accordingly.
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Well gee, in your wonder system I'd be dead/financially ruined for life 25. So would my wife.

NEXT!
 
mizzou said:
mandatory excercise

Each civilian shall report to a state operated workout facility and be monitored for successful exercise training by a gov't official.

Failure to report will result in a felony arrest warrant for criminal intent to be unhealthy.
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*taps meter*
 
Automatic Medicare coverage for every American and resident. No registration, no opting out, no subsidies for insurance companies, nothing that increases complexity and cost. It would be similar to the automatic public education we have now.
 
sandorski said:
Chaos would ensue, Pharma industry would lose the confidence of Consumers to Foreign Pharma Corps who were strictly Regulated. Poverty amongst Seniors would explode. No money would be saved and the amount of Uninsured would explode.

If you want to fix it, you need to go the opposite way you suggest.
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6.2% of everyone's paycheck goes to SS, so seniors aren't really gaining anything, and if people aren't heavily taxed while working, then they could put that money towards health insurance for their older age; or their children could take care of it for them, from the money they save on taxes.

Medicare competes with health insurance and drives the cost of it up.

As for the pharma industry, there would be a lot more competition and lower prices, as generics would be allowed more, if patent laws were reduced to one granted to each company/year and if they expired quickly.

Also, I would get rid of the Federal Reserve, so then saving money would pay off.

I understand socialized medicine sounds like "charity for all" on paper, but medicare, taxes, and the inflationist monetary system drive private charities out of business.
 
Anarchist420 said:
6.2% of everyone's paycheck goes to SS, so seniors aren't really gaining anything, and if people aren't heavily taxed while working, then they could put that money towards health insurance for their older age; or their children could take care of it for them, from the money they save on taxes.

Medicare competes with health insurance and drives the cost of it up.

As for the pharma industry, there would be a lot more competition and lower prices, as generics would be allowed more, if patent laws were reduced to one granted to each company/year and if they expired quickly.

Also, I would get rid of the Federal Reserve, so then saving money would pay off.

I understand socialized medicine sounds like "charity for all" on paper, but medicare, taxes, and the inflationist monetary system drive private charities out of business.
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Charities can not take the place of Socialized Programs. If they worked, there would be no Government Programs to address those Needs.
 
mizzou said:
mandatory excercise

Each civilian shall report to a state operated workout facility and be monitored for successful exercise training by a gov't official.

Failure to report will result in a felony arrest warrant for criminal intent to be unhealthy.
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First we have to put our health on the government budget. THEN we'll talk about your cost savings.
 
Most of the doctors I work with have suggested this:

1. Tort reform of some kind
2. Going to extreme measures on grandma and grandpa. I'm in the business and have many examples of this.

My own:
3. Being able to buy insurance out of pocket.
 
JohnnyGage said:
Most of the doctors I work with have suggested this:

1. Tort reform of some kind
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That's a surprise, they are in favor of limiting a 0.5% cost issue that they're on the receiving side from.

In other news, Foxes recommended henhouse security be fixed by putting foxes in charge.

2. Going to extreme measures on grandma and grandpa. I'm in the business and have many examples of this.
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This is going to come up more and more. It is a big cost that reducing conflicts with our long-held beliefs to do all we can. It's politically difficult for obvious reasons.

My own:
3. Being able to buy insurance out of pocket.
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What? You can.
 
I would genetically engineer out all genetic diseases out of the population. I would also develop ways to have human fetuses grown in vats instead of women. The initial costs would be a little high, but once the infrastructure's in place, we'd be spending a fraction of the health care costs we do now.
 
Craig234 said:
That's a surprise, they are in favor of limiting a 0.5% cost issue that they're on the receiving side from.

In other news, Foxes recommended henhouse security be fixed by putting foxes in charge.
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It's not just the cost of malpractice and malpractice payouts. The sue-happy mentality of the populace has made defensive medicine the norm. Extra tests are ordered to rule out zebras even though clinical suspicion is very low.
 
Ozoned said:
Meh... We are looking for something here that serves the greater good, not you and your particular circumstance.
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I'm not sure I see any good in your plan at all. All it does is ensure that those who have health problems will die or face a life burdened by chronic severe debt. A million dollars is a laughably small amount of money given today's technology. I see no point in having health care at all if the end result is financial ruin or death if you get ill.
 
jhu said:
It's not just the cost of malpractice and malpractice payouts. The sue-happy mentality of the populace has made defensive medicine the norm. Extra tests are ordered to rule out zebras even though clinical suspicion is very low.
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Like many things, defensive medicine has both good and bad to it. Face it, the threat of lawsuits provides a huge margin of safety against raw capialistic cost reductions. Hence why 'tort reform' is a GOP priority.
 
Craig234 said:
That's a surprise, they are in favor of limiting a 0.5% cost issue that they're on the receiving side from.

In other news, Foxes recommended henhouse security be fixed by putting foxes in charge.



This is going to come up more and more. It is a big cost that reducing conflicts with our long-held beliefs to do all we can. It's politically difficult for obvious reasons.



What? You can.
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No. 3, no I can't but if you want to insurance prices down buying insurance out of pocket should at least be tried.

I know that 0.5% number has been thrown around but it's probably more than that. I spend about 50% of the week on c.y.a. md orders. It's just the way it is. Whatever study that's from, I don't know just doesn't seem right. Not saying it's not true or valid, but something is not right. I think if you just look at malpractice insurance rates for most MD's it's very expensive and factors in to the total cost of everything. It's insane expensive for OB's, like thousands of dollars a year out of pocket. Because if little Craigy didn't come out right, it's the OB's fault.
 
Carmen813 said:
I'm not sure I see any good in your plan at all. All it does is ensure that those who have health problems will die or face a life burdened by chronic severe debt. A million dollars is a laughably small amount of money given today's technology. I see no point in having health care at all if the end result is financial ruin or death if you get ill.
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Very few insurance companies offer anything beyond a $1,000,000 lifetime max. benefits now.

The cost of extending life for those that are chronically ill certainly must be weighed against the supply and demand of health care resources that are available. Your particular circumstance may well fall into that category, but placing an un-limited burden on society to keep you alive may well cause the opposite effect that you would like to see.

Financial ruin is another thing all together. The safety net we have now confiscates nearly all financial assets before placing a burden on society. I see no reason why your health care costs should allow you to shelter assets, while at the same time, imposing a financial burden on taxpayers who are healthy.
 
1) Stop mandating treatments. I'm sorry that parents lost a child to a heart defect during a sport event. That's not a reason to make schools test every kid for defect (true story)

2) Tort reform. MD's should not have to pay 120,000 a yr for insurance and have to over-test to cover their butts. A study several years old now put defensive medicine costs at 200 billion a year (the amount UK pays NHS in a year). I am sure that cost is higher.

3) Get illegals off the gravy train. They are bankrupting hospitals and states. Every state they gather in has serious money problems and health-care costs.

4) Get people off the refined carbs (tax the white breads etc.). A study reported on in NYT said 1 in 7 people in NY were going to become diabetic in next years. Peoples diets are bankrupting the system. There are 14 mishaps in Toyota cars and its a global crisis. Millions lose their sight, limbs, kidneys etc to diabetes and there is hardly a peep.
 
Kill everyone over 65. Sterilize those with genetic defects. That will control costs.

Now when we start talking about health care itself let me know.
 
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