How would you feel if the patriot act required you to carry a national identity card?

[Modelworks]

It could be used to identify me wherever I go !
People might know who I am when I show them the card ? oh the horror !

Putting medical information on the card is a LONG way off. You would need gigs of storage to put all the information people are worried about and putting it all on a card that someone carries with them would be stupid since keeping the information current would be a nightmare. Better to have the id link to a database kept on a network. Then hospitals can access it because they have a right too where as your bank would not.

Social security cards are out dated. They are one of the leading causes of fraud and identity theft because they are so easily faked. The same thing for birth certificates because there is no standard card from state to state. Criminal records currently are so bad that rapists can get hired at schools before anyone knows their history. If national ID cards had things like sex offender listed on the card then that would cut out things like this.

 

[Modelworks]

There is nothing in the bill that says this information cannot be shared by other agencies or third parties.

Idiots. How can you not see that this is entirely different?

Actually there is something in the bill that prevents the information from being shared by other agencies. It clearly states that the information cannot be used for anything but health related reasons unless their is a warrant provided authorizing that use. The same law that is in effect now.

I read the entire 2000+ pages, suggest you do the same.

 

[PricklyPete]

Not a fan at all.

 

[piasabird]

It is kind of hard to do anything without some kind of ID.
Cash check
Buy Alcoholic Beverage
Buy Tobacco Products
Buy guns
Drive a Car
Get a job
Get Financial Aid

I think it funny that the SSAN is often required to do some legal and financial transactions since we are not required to give it by law. So a National ID with a Photo and nationality and/or immigration status would be a good idea. I could see a blending of the Drivers License and National ID Number.

 

[blackangst1]

It could be used to identify me wherever I go !
People might know who I am when I show them the card ? oh the horror !

Putting medical information on the card is a LONG way off. You would need gigs of storage to put all the information people are worried about and putting it all on a card that someone carries with them would be stupid since keeping the information current would be a nightmare. Better to have the id link to a database kept on a network. Then hospitals can access it because they have a right too where as your bank would not.

Social security cards are out dated. They are one of the leading causes of fraud and identity theft because they are so easily faked. The same thing for birth certificates because there is no standard card from state to state. Criminal records currently are so bad that rapists can get hired at schools before anyone knows their history. If national ID cards had things like sex offender listed on the card then that would cut out things like this.

So you support this then? Can you explain what benefit, other than what I listed, it would have to citizens and what it would accomplish that current ID already available already does?

And would you propose having a list of every crime someone has been convicted of on a card?

 

[Robor]

It wouldn't bother me if it was something that wasn't required to be on my person at all times. I carry a very 'streamlined' wallet so I don't want another card on top of a drivers license, car insurance, health insurance, AAA, debit, Visa, and AmEx cards. Maybe it could replace or be an addition to the social security card?

 

[blackangst1]

It is kind of hard to do anything without some kind of ID.
Cash check
Buy Alcoholic Beverage
Buy Tobacco Products
Buy guns
Drive a Car
Get a job
Get Financial Aid

I think it funny that the SSAN is often required to do some legal and financial transactions since we are not required to give it by law. So a National ID with a Photo and nationality and/or immigration status would be a good idea. I could see a blending of the Drivers License and National ID Number.

What would a national ID accomplish that say a passport couldnt? Why would you support the creation of new program that mostly benefits the government as opposed to modifying a program we already have? Why not have a "passport card" for convenience?

 

[Robor]

So you support this then? Can you explain what benefit, other than what I listed, it would have to citizens and what it would accomplish that current ID already available already does?

And would you propose having a list of every crime someone has been convicted of on a card?

I don't think that was being suggested.

 

[blackangst1]

I don't think that was being suggested.

Really? Look a few posts up.

Criminal records currently are so bad that rapists can get hired at schools before anyone knows their history. If national ID cards had things like sex offender listed on the card then that would cut out things like this.

 

[manowar821]

I'd rather die as an enemy combatant than submit to a sick society where I am required to show my papers to a paramilitary force.

 

[chucky2]

I'd rather die as an enemy combatant than submit to a sick society where I am required to show my papers to a paramilitary force.

When you get pulled over by the Police in your vehicle, you have this now. Wouldn't you rather have one form of ID rather than have to have several?

I would.

Chuck

 

[OutHouse]

how is it any different than a passport other than being required to have? again i see no problem with this.

 

[manowar821]

When you get pulled over by the Police in your vehicle, you have this now. Wouldn't you rather have one form of ID rather than have to have several?

I would.

Chuck

No, because that is a drivers license, specific for the proof that you've gone through the motions for, and that you're allowed to drive a hunk of hurtling metal down the freeway. It has a purpose. The ID for simply existing in this country is an utterly useless and dangerous one. The passport argument is a fallacy, too, because that also exists for a reason. Traveling. This all encompassing ID that is proposed truly makes me think of the phrase "papers please". There's no reason for it, other than a method of social control, or social dog-collar more appropriately. It could eventually handle all of your personal information, all of your records, preferences for drinks or foods, political leanings, credit history, sexual preferences, and if is pushed on us, eventually it will. This is not freedom, or convenience for us. It is freedom and convenience for the DHS among other worthless wings of our government to restrict OUR freedom and convenience. It will be abused. The mere fact that it's been proposed and has serious support is evidence enough that our so called representatives are abusive, not to mention all of the other fucking shit that they've pulled on us in the past.

Disgusting.

 

[chucky2]

I'm not sure I understand the angst. When you produce your drivers license, they still have to go back to the car and check it. Why couldn't they do the same thing with your NID card? It would show up in there if you're approved to drive a car or not.

If you want to go for a walk, you don't need your drivers license...nor would you need your NID card either if we had one. Your "papers please" fallacy is the same as the passport fallacy: A fallacy.

Having a NID card that is used for driving, health, voting, Social Security, etc. sounds a heck of a lot better to me than having every one of those individually. You still have to produce those individually when needed, same as you would a NID card.

Chuck

 

[blackangst1]

I'm not sure I understand the angst. When you produce your drivers license, they still have to go back to the car and check it. Why couldn't they do the same thing with your NID card? It would show up in there if you're approved to drive a car or not.

If you want to go for a walk, you don't need your drivers license...nor would you need your NID card either if we had one. Your "papers please" fallacy is the same as the passport fallacy: A fallacy.

Having a NID card that is used for driving, health, voting, Social Security, etc. sounds a heck of a lot better to me than having every one of those individually. You still have to produce those individually when needed, same as you would a NID card.

Chuck

In theory youre right; however, I havent seen anything to suggest a NID will be combining anything. It will simply be one more piece of ID we will need to carry with no use. Well, other than the administrative uses Ive listed before. So again I ask, why do we need this, when we have current ID's that under current law will accomplish the same thing?