How would you feel if the patriot act required you to carry a national identity card?

[rudder]

What if this card were to become machine readable so any changes in your status can instantly be sent to the Federal Government when swiped?

The question is would you support such a bill?



"Sec. 1104. Administrative Simplification…. (4) Requirements for Financial and Administrative Transactions. – (A) In General. – The standards and associated operating rules adopted by the Secretary shall – (i) to the extent feasible and appropriate, enable determination of an individual's eligibility and financial responsibility for specific services prior to or at the point of care.... (i) Eligibility for a Health Plan and Health Claims Status. – The set of operating rules for eligibility for a health plan and health claim status transactions shall be adopted not later than July 1, 2011, in a manner ensuring that such operating rules are effective not later than January 1, 2013, and may allow for the use of a machine readable identification card."

As it is now, my healthcare information is private. In my state the doctors share healthcare data with the State for research... but any identifying information is stripped.

If my insurance company were to let my private information out, they could be financially responsible. If a security breach occured, HIPAA rules would require them to notify me. This healthcare bill will allow my private information to flow without my consent from my medical provider, to the Dept. of Health and Human services.... and beyond.

Just another reason for any sane person to be against this bill.

Tis funny how this was made during the Bush administration.... and we all laughed and said it would never happen...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJl9EEcsoE

 

[ayabe]

Make up your mind, you decry having to pay for illegals and HC for degenerates but now you oppose finding a way to sort out who's eligible and who isn't.

You aren't getting the public option, you're going to keep your employer plan so this won't apply to you.

Also, there are some great black friday deals on huggies.

 

[surfsatwerk]

The card sounds like a great idea.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

As it is now, my healthcare information is private. In my state the doctors share healthcare data with the State for research... but any identifying information is stripped.

Actually, it's quite remarkable at how little information is really needed to identify a person from data that has "identifiying information stripped".

Sweeney found that 87% of all Americans could be personally identified using only their ZIP code, birthdate and sex.

http://www.lfpress.com/money/columnists/david_canton/2009/10/05/11400761-sun.html

 

[Zargon]

I already have a state ID card, why do I need another one again?

 

[rudder]

Make up your mind, you decry having to pay for illegals and HC for degenerates but now you oppose finding a way to sort out who's eligible and who isn't.

You aren't getting the public option, you're going to keep your employer plan so this won't apply to you.

Also, there are some great black friday deals on huggies.

This is a little more than determining who is eligible and who is not. If it were a simple identification card... I could see your point. Your private health information will be an open book for the government and who ever they decide to share it with.

 

[sandorski]

This is a little more than determining who is eligible and who is not. If it were a simple identification card... I could see your point. Your private health information will be an open book for the government and who ever they decide to share it with.

Weak. I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest your Doctor, Hospital/Clinic, and that's about it.

 

[Moonbeam]

I would consider it to be the mark of the beast and a herald of the end times, maybe even a maude of the end times.

 

[Specop 007]

I would consider it to be the mark of the beast and a herald of the end times, maybe even a maude of the end times.

Not an end of the beast and a mark of the times?

 

[dmcowen674]

What if this card were to become machine readable so any changes in your status can instantly be sent to the Federal Government when swiped?

The question is would you support such a bill?



As it is now, my healthcare information is private. In my state the doctors share healthcare data with the State for research... but any identifying information is stripped.

If my insurance company were to let my private information out, they could be financially responsible. If a security breach occured, HIPAA rules would require them to notify me. This healthcare bill will allow my private information to flow without my consent from my medical provider, to the Dept. of Health and Human services.... and beyond.

Just another reason for any sane person to be against this bill.

Tis funny how this was made during the Bush administration.... and we all laughed and said it would never happen...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJl9EEcsoE

I hope it passes and includes a provision that identifies you as an America hating Republican as well.

 

[GTaudiophile]

I think a "National ID" is the only way to document the undocumented. As long as they have to prove no criminal record and speak English before getting one.

I personally am in favor of it.

The government knows where we are anyway, so that is not a valid argument.

Edit: I wouldn't mind if my health info was digitized on such a card AS LONG AS only my doctor(s) and myself could access such information. Not employers, government, etc.

 

[chucky2]

As long as I only need the ID card when using services or performing actions, then I'd be fine with it.

Example 1: Walking down the street, ID card not required.

Example 2: After having walked down the street, I go into a business and apply for a job, ID card required. It's on me if I didn't bring my ID card.

Example 3: After having left the business with no ID card - and having been told to come back and bring the my ID card, then I can apply - I get hit by a car, get taken to the hospital. They are required to treat anything serious caused by the accident w/o the ID card. Follow-up and anything else not caused by the accident, need the ID card.

I think the above is more than fair.

Chuck

 

[Patranus]

Well, the government has records documenting citizens and the ability to identify them.

It is a simple matter of enforcement.

Creating a new national ID card wouldn't change this.

 

[OutHouse]

ill all for it. the government knows who iam, where i live anyway.

 

[Ausm]

Sounds like my Passport.

 

[Ausm]

I hope it passes and includes a provision that identifies you as an America hating Republican as well.

It would never happen because we would have to deport the majority of the Republican base

 

[JS80]

Make up your mind, you decry having to pay for illegals and HC for degenerates but now you oppose finding a way to sort out who's eligible and who isn't.

You aren't getting the public option, you're going to keep your employer plan so this won't apply to you.

Also, there are some great black friday deals on huggies.

Pampers > Huggies

 

[MovingTarget]

I think that it is anathema to our society/culture. Standardization of ID cards is one thing, but being required to carry one is something else. You should NEVER have to carry an ID unless you intend to do something that requires it - for instance driving, applying for a job, government benefits, etc. Walking down to the street to get milk at the store, to protest at a local political rally, or simply for exercise should NOT require ID.

 

[Patranus]

Can someone point out the section of the constitution authorizes the federal government to require me to carry a national ID card?

Anyone?

That should answer the question as to how you should feel about this.

 

[IGBT]

already required in my line of work. no big deal.

 

[shadow9d9]

I'd be fine with it and very happy to hear the whines about illegal immigrants to be done...

 

[Patranus]

already required in my line of work. no big deal.

There is a pretty big difference between an employer requiring this and the federal government.

(not talking about the federal government as an employer.)

 

[FaaR]

Dunno why you people are so scared of this. Pretty much the entire rest of the world have national ID cards already, in fact I can't say I ever heard of another nation that does not.

From a practical standpoint, the difference between a national ID card, or a state-issued card is...what, exactly? Well, apart from paranoia, of course. :lol:

 

[Fenixgoon]

Dunno why you people are so scared of this. Pretty much the entire rest of the world have national ID cards already, in fact I can't say I ever heard of another nation that does not.

From a practical standpoint, the difference between a national ID card, or a state-issued card is...what, exactly? Well, apart from paranoia, of course. :lol:

not much. besides, you have SSNs, which *are* federally run.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Dunno why you people are so scared of this. Pretty much the entire rest of the world have national ID cards already, in fact I can't say I ever heard of another nation that does not.

Umm, what? Link please, because few countries that I know of use a national ID card. Certainly we don't ahve one, unless you count my drivers license (which I'm not required by law to have).