How would you classify Europe (as a whole) politically?

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: yllus
Europe, or parts of, will band together sooner or later for economic reasons. From shared economic stakes spawn shared political stakes, and so on.

What a keen observation. :roll: What are you posting from 1945? This has already happened.

If you had some working braincells in your head, you just might figure out what I meant.

I like it when people make spelling mistakes and talk about "brain cell." Nice edit though.

 

[yllus]

Wow, you totally rock! Way to counter my on-topic discussion with a celebration of a spelling mistake! So when is it that you're actually going to contribute something to the subject at hand?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: yllus
Wow, you totally rock! Way to counter my on-topic discussion with a celebration of a spelling mistake! So when is it that you're actually going to contribute something to the subject at hand?

I already did contribute, even outside the scope of your pathetic post. In addition, I felt the need to point out your empty statement. It's only when people go on about "brain cell" and GEDs that I point out spelling mistakes. Isn't it funny how you can blabber on about GEDs but if I mention spelling that crosses the line? :roll:

 

[yllus]

"Friedman is a jackass, as evidenced by his support for the Iraq war." Yes, Q.E.D. Classic Infohawk quality post. Perhaps we're better off if you do stick to your MJ thesis.

Hey, if you feel the need to cheer your 'catch' (you are so the #1 at reading a post before an edit to add a letter!) be my guest. Between that and moronic one-line trolls here and there I can imagine what a spectacular contribution the host of AnandTech posters considre you to be.

Oh hey look Infohawk, I made another spelling mistake while I was typing this post! BETTER JUMP ON IT BEFORE I EDIT!! :laugh:

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: yllus
"Friedman is a jackass, as evidenced by his support for the Iraq war." Yes, Q.E.D. Classic Infohawk quality post. Perhaps we're better off if you do stick to your MJ thesis.

Hey, if you feel the need to cheer your 'catch' (you are so the #1 at reading a post before an edit to add a letter!) be my guest. Between that and moronic one-line trolls here and there I can imagine what a spectacular contribution the host of AnandTech posters considre you to be.

Oh hey look Infohawk, I made another spelling mistake while I was typing this post! BETTER JUMP ON IT BEFORE I EDIT!! :laugh:

You pointing out my flaws that may or may not exist doesn't really do anything to my critique that your statement was lame. (You seem awfully obsessed with Michael Jackson. So you never talk about anything silly ever? You probably never post in OT then. I don't either. Again, I don't really care about spelling mistakes. I make them too. The point is I don't make them in sentences where I go on about GEDs and being too cool to talk about Michael Jackson.)

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

IN DENMARK??!
Well, that's certainly news. And ofcourse it's not true. Liberals (uhm, danish conservatives) aren't extreme right wing.

You must be blind. Denmark has been taken over by supremacist fanatics.

 

[yllus]

HAHA. Oh, I now see a little clearer now the angle at which you view P&N. You considered that a critique. Call a Pulitzer Prize winner a jackass and suddenly you're part of the intelligentsia, it seems.

Look, kid, if you're going to do a critique, you might want to actually discuss the ideas instead of miniscule flaws you think you see (but strangely, ones that nobody else seems to). I sorely doubt you have it in you to make worthwhile contributions, but who knows? Let's see if you can one day manage to participate in an in-depth discussion.

 

[chcarnage]

Is it not a bit a one-eyed approach to try to define Europe by its view of US Foreign Politics?

Even better, going to France and speaking about Europe as a whole is like going to Alaska and report how cold the climate of the U.S. is.

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Forsythe

IN DENMARK??!
Well, that's certainly news. And ofcourse it's not true. Liberals (uhm, danish conservatives) aren't extreme right wing.

You must be blind. Denmark has been taken over by supremacist fanatics.

I recapitulate: Denmark is run by supremacist fanatics, Italy is in the hands of extremist fascists, Switzerland is run by far-right supremacists. And all this are statements of the last couple of days. You sir have written "ignorance" and "xenophobia" all over your posts. :thumbsdown:

 

[imported_Tango]

Some thoughts:
1. Europe as a whole can hardly be defined... it's not a superstate, it's a couple of dozens different countries.... speaking a ton of different languages etc etc...
2. The guy was interviewing mostly a very specific cathegory: young french students. Of course young people were against the war...
3. You didn't see in the documentary those who answered they loved the idea of a war in Iraq.
4. Beeing against a war in Iraq has nothing ado with the sentiment versus the US. Government changes much faster than people.
5. The idea of "blue state" is very american. California is a blue state, yet there is death penalty. No country in Europe would even consider death penalty.

 

[irwincur]

And as he travelled around, other viewpoints were of that same nature. Even when he toured the United Kingdom, rallies of anti-war protestors were frequently held expressing a huge view of how badly they want their country to pull out.

Odd, I have a lot of family over there and they said that the atmosphere is not much different than it is here. I was curious so I talked to them about it last time they were home.

Remember. Friedman is not middle of the road (he is employed by the NYT after all) and the media still wants everyone to think that this is Vietnam.




I also really do not buy into this Europe the region of peace crap. Europe has not gone more than 60 years between major conflicts ever. They are getting close to breaking the record but who knows - things tend to devolve quickly over there. With the impending crash of the European welfare state I can say that the next major European war is just a step away. People need to quit fooling themselves, war is in the very blood of Europe.

Perhaps this time we should just stay out of it. Or we could sell them arms of course, a lot like they did for Saddam days before the war in Iraq.

 

[Vic]

How would you classify Europe (as a whole) politically?

Liberal Democratic Fascism. A mixed economic and political mess that will eventually slide down to totalitarianism, dictatorship, and war. The worst thing about European politics is that they see their statism as "enlightened," when it is actually a kind of skewed monarchy where a semi-democratic (and highly bureaucratic) government is the new king.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: chcarnage

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Forsythe

IN DENMARK??!
Well, that's certainly news. And ofcourse it's not true. Liberals (uhm, danish conservatives) aren't extreme right wing.

You must be blind. Denmark has been taken over by supremacist fanatics.

I recapitulate: Denmark is run by supremacist fanatics, Italy is in the hands of extremist fascists, Switzerland is run by far-right supremacists. And all this are statements of the last couple of days. You sir have written "ignorance" and "xenophobia" all over your posts. :thumbsdown:

You sir have written "ignorance" all over your posts :thumbsdown:

Are you seriously suggesting that Switzerland, a country where the most popular political party is in power because of slogans such as "The Swiss are becoming negroes" and pictures of brown people feasting upon the blood and flesh whites, is not under the control of the far-right?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Vic

How would you classify Europe (as a whole) politically?

Liberal Democratic Fascism.

By most definitions, fascism and democracy are mutually exclusive.

Here is one from dictionary.com:

1. often Fascism
1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

 

[piasabird]

I think Europe just does not like how America interferes in their sphere of influence. No matter what we do they want to do things in Europe the European way. Their internet must be managed differently, they dont like the way we run our phone system, and they just dont like our influence or any american entitiy making any money in Europe.

This is just typical US vs Them mentality. They like their corrupt European Culture.

They both love us and hate us at the same time.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Vic

How would you classify Europe (as a whole) politically?

Liberal Democratic Fascism.

By most definitions, fascism and democracy are mutually exclusive.

Here is one from dictionary.com:

1. often Fascism
1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

Not when the dictator is the people.

I dispute that definition of fascism as well, as it is not according to how Mussolini originally created it, but more like revisionist history. Fascism was originally a left-wing semi-socialist movement where private property ownership would still be allowed but the control of all private property would be handled by government. It was essentially communism but without the complete state ownership of property (just state control). This is why Mussolini, the inventor of fascism said, "Fascism should more rightly be called corporatism, as it is the merger of state and corporate power." Such is Europe today, with America not far behind.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I think Europe just does not like how America interferes in their sphere of influence. No matter what we do they want to do things in Europe the European way. Their internet must be managed differently, they dont like the way we run our phone system, and they just dont like our influence or any american entitiy making any money in Europe.

This is just typical US vs Them mentality. They like their corrupt European Culture.

They both love us and hate us at the same time.

sorry but that's just dumb... there are thousands of american companies in europe, some with above 50% market cap, making billions of dollars every year. and what makes the U.S. culture so much better than the European culture? how's the U.S. culture any less corrupt than the European culture?

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: The Boss

Originally posted by: piasabird
I think Europe just does not like how America interferes in their sphere of influence. No matter what we do they want to do things in Europe the European way. Their internet must be managed differently, they dont like the way we run our phone system, and they just dont like our influence or any american entitiy making any money in Europe.

This is just typical US vs Them mentality. They like their corrupt European Culture.

They both love us and hate us at the same time.

sorry but that's just dumb... there are thousands of american companies in europe, some with above 50% market cap, making billions of dollars every year. and what makes the U.S. culture so much better than the European culture? how's the U.S. culture any less corrupt than the European culture?

The modern europe, the newest european countries, have some of the lowest corruption percentages in the world. The earlier eastern block is very corrupt however, just like russia.

The only way i prefer is to maintain a surplus while caring about workers and environment.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Forsythe
The modern europe, the newest european countries, have some of the lowest corruption percentages in the world. The earlier eastern block is very corrupt however, just like russia.

The only way i prefer is to maintain a surplus while caring about workers and environment.

Norway has done this...although not every country has the benifits of large offshore oil reserves or a small population to care for.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Forsythe
The modern europe, the newest european countries, have some of the lowest corruption percentages in the world. The earlier eastern block is very corrupt however, just like russia.

The only way i prefer is to maintain a surplus while caring about workers and environment.

Norway has done this...although not every country has the benifits of large offshore oil reserves or a small population to care for.

Yep, loads of oil. I prefer the japaneese way, sure they may be slaves to their companies, but the companies take care of them aswell. And their market strategy is a steady surplus, not an aim for extreme short sighted surplus, which is more the american way of things.
That's why sony fired 8 american bosses, they weren't japaneese enough.