The Al Gore/Bush election was the closest Presidential election ever in the history of the US. If Al Gore won, how would things be different today provided that 9/11 still happened?
how would the US be today if Al Gore won?
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You can't get much worse than Bush. I think America would have been better off for the sole reason that Gore probably wouldn't have invaded Iraq. However, in addition to that there would have been more gridlock in government putting a slight damper on the wild spending spree the Republicans have been on ever since Bush took office (Bush has yet to veto a single bill).
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Well...
Our apology to Al Qaeda for whatever it was we did that pissed them off so bad they thought they had to kill 3000 of us in a spectacular attack would have been rejected until we coughed up some big bucks to pay for reparations for something that, while we weren't sure it was really our fault... it was better safe than sorry y'know?
But hey... we wouldn't be in Iraq.
/sarcasm Edit: Forgot to mention the $6/gal gas after the "green tax" and the tax exempt status given to ELF and PETA.
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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Well...
Our apology to Al Qaeda for whatever it was we did that pissed them off so bad they thought they had to kill 3000 of us in a spectacular attack would have been rejected until we coughed up some big bucks to pay for reparations for something that, while we weren't sure it was really our fault... it was better safe than sorry y'know?
But hey... we wouldn't be in Iraq.
Edit: Forgot to mention the $6/gal gas after the "green tax" and the tax exempt status given to ELF and PETA.
sponsored by the republicans against drugs, but apparently on some kinda drug coaliton.....
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Originally posted by: bthorny
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Well...
Our apology to Al Qaeda for whatever it was we did that pissed them off so bad they thought they had to kill 3000 of us in a spectacular attack would have been rejected until we coughed up some big bucks to pay for reparations for something that, while we weren't sure it was really our fault... it was better safe than sorry y'know?
But hey... we wouldn't be in Iraq.
Edit: Forgot to mention the $6/gal gas after the "green tax" and the tax exempt status given to ELF and PETA.
sponsored by the republicans against drugs, but apparently on some kinda drug coaliton.....
Hey... It's all hypothetical so it's all equally plausable. Might as well have fun with it. It's not like there's the possibility of a right or wrong answer here.
Well, it's impossible to know for sure, but I think Gore would not have invaded Iraq. He would have concentrated US troops in Afghanistan and Pakistan, focused on capturing bin Laden and rebuilding Afghan society. We also probably would have seen greater environmental regulations, economic incentives for green technologies, comprehensive sex education, a reduction in the defense budget, and two radically different Supreme Court justices.
The difference?
The left would be praising the actions Gore took while the right complained about every little mishap that happened.
The left would be praising the actions Gore took while the right complained about every little mishap that happened.
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Hmm . . . quite possible . . . but he would have "inherited" a country with lower deficits, many allies abroad, reasonable environmental policies, less intrusive government, an almost responsible drug benefit for the elderly, and oil prices under $40/barrel.
Naturally, taxes would be higher but only people in my tax bracket would notice.
Just think about a President Gore telling Ford, GM, (sorta DC), "you have no choice but to produce more fuel efficient vehicles." GM and DC had double digit losses in sales last month while Toyota and Honda had double digit gains!
Remember what Ari "that's my story and I'm sticking to it" Fleischer said?
That is a lot of assumptions there on Gore.
Especially his magical ability to affect world market prices on oil.
Especially his magical ability to affect world market prices on oil.
Chavez wouldn't be a bosom buddy but I doubt Gore would have tacitly supported a failed coup.
Nigeria is a mess . . . regardless.
Iraq . . . that's all Bush.
Iran . . . that's mostly Bush.
Traders have been kids in a candy store . . . thanks largely to one incredibly ignorant and arrogant man.
Further, considering most of our oil goes into gasoline for cars . . . Gore policies might have helped. They couldn't possibly be worse.
In essence, Al Gore's most significant talent would be the fact that he's not George "just how much can I fudge up" Bush. I wouldn't go so far as to say Libby Dole, Gary Bauer, or Token would be better . . . but Bush sets a pretty low bar.
Nigeria is a mess . . . regardless.
Iraq . . . that's all Bush.
Iran . . . that's mostly Bush.
Traders have been kids in a candy store . . . thanks largely to one incredibly ignorant and arrogant man.
Further, considering most of our oil goes into gasoline for cars . . . Gore policies might have helped. They couldn't possibly be worse.
In essence, Al Gore's most significant talent would be the fact that he's not George "just how much can I fudge up" Bush. I wouldn't go so far as to say Libby Dole, Gary Bauer, or Token would be better . . . but Bush sets a pretty low bar.
And exactly how does that affect world demand for oil?
You mean taxing the hell out of gas and making everything that uses gasoline from trucks and planes at Fedex to your car cost more and adding a burden onto the economy?
Boy you are painting a picture of sheer bliss.
Gore controlling the demand of the world and taxing the hell out of our infrastructure costs. I am sure we would almost crack 2% growth rates under him, just like the EU with their highly oppressive gas taxes.
You mean taxing the hell out of gas and making everything that uses gasoline from trucks and planes at Fedex to your car cost more and adding a burden onto the economy?
Boy you are painting a picture of sheer bliss.
Gore controlling the demand of the world and taxing the hell out of our infrastructure costs. I am sure we would almost crack 2% growth rates under him, just like the EU with their highly oppressive gas taxes.
India and China have indeed pressured world oil prices but the "uncertainty" premium is largely a Bush Junta product.
I do find it interesting that you mention taxes though. Bush policies have essentially been an energy tax on production and consumption in America. Unfortunately, our nation won't see any benefits from it . . . unless of course we develop next-generation technology for fuel efficiency . . . oops too late.
It's difficult to extract the EXACT magnitude of the Bush energy uncertainty tax but even a Democratic Congress would have been unlikely to get in the same area code as our current Bushwhacking.
My state has the highest gas taxes in the South (NC) by far. Yet NC is amongst the best in the region when it comes to economic growth.
On the federal level, small, gradual increases in the gasoline tax would have provided revenue while at the same time "coaxing" consumers and producers to make long-term behavioral changes. In a time of crisis . . . say hurricane, refinery explosion, Chavez and Castro marry . . . the feds could easily rollback taxes to take the sting out of potential price spikes.
Instead . . . what do we have? A trickle from the SPR, weaken environmental rules, beg the Saudis to pump more of the Heavy stuff, exhume the ANWR zombie . . .
I do find it interesting that you mention taxes though. Bush policies have essentially been an energy tax on production and consumption in America. Unfortunately, our nation won't see any benefits from it . . . unless of course we develop next-generation technology for fuel efficiency . . . oops too late.
It's difficult to extract the EXACT magnitude of the Bush energy uncertainty tax but even a Democratic Congress would have been unlikely to get in the same area code as our current Bushwhacking.
My state has the highest gas taxes in the South (NC) by far. Yet NC is amongst the best in the region when it comes to economic growth.
On the federal level, small, gradual increases in the gasoline tax would have provided revenue while at the same time "coaxing" consumers and producers to make long-term behavioral changes. In a time of crisis . . . say hurricane, refinery explosion, Chavez and Castro marry . . . the feds could easily rollback taxes to take the sting out of potential price spikes.
Instead . . . what do we have? A trickle from the SPR, weaken environmental rules, beg the Saudis to pump more of the Heavy stuff, exhume the ANWR zombie . . .
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