How would Paul change the (P&N) election if he were to run as a 3rd party?

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Fern
Bowfinger,

You do make some good points.

But add into those calculations a couple of other points:

1. Twice now in recent memory we've had a 3rd party candidate with no chance of winning. Yet those voting for them and making their "statement" caused the election to shift to a candidate even further from their POV. Ross Perot (on the conservative side) caused Clinton's win. Ralph Nader (liberal side) caused GWB's win.

2. I've noticed that when the election gap is large (larger margin of victory), the winner tends to feel that they have a big mandate from the voters. This (over)confidence seems to lead to all sorts of agressive/extreme policy pursuits. Accordingly, even if my vote for the loser only results in a slimmer margin, I feel it helps in moderating polititions' policy/ambitions/confidence.

Fern

1. Well, same in England except for one thing, we actually change.

2. What i do is that is sit down and think about it and absorb as much information as i can, somehow this doesn't do shit so i just vote for who the media loves anyway.

Not really, you are probably much more well read on the candidates of your elections than i am on those of mine, but i believe that voting is like breathing and eating when it comes to democracy, so i do my best with the time i have, and while others might spank their foreheads for voting for GW i did vote for Blair and as i see it, they were pretty much both responsible for this hopeless situation in Iraq.

Brown isn't much better either, but enough about UK politics, vote Hillary, it's for a good cause (to piss off Pabster, it would make him go berzerk, imagine the fun!)

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
once again I ask -- The real question being if Ronnie drops out will anybody notice?

The facts are the facts -- This dude would be our next President if children were allowed to vote!!

So he can run when he`s 1002 and he will be the President of the United states!!

Please go play. Grown-ups are having a discussion.

That`s why over 1/2 his internet support are kids who can`t vote....

hardly grown up...

I'm still trying to get this forum, so when someone is called out as a troll i check their post history.

Trolling is allowed. One liners are allowed in P&N, personal insults are allowed if you are JEDIYoda.

Did i get this right?

Ahhh, lemme guess, the retarded cousin of Anand?

 

[glugglug]

First question needs a choice for "Move to Canada".

Filled in the other 3 (with the obvious choices, given the above).

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
once again I ask -- The real question being if Ronnie drops out will anybody notice?

The facts are the facts -- This dude would be our next President if children were allowed to vote!!

So he can run when he`s 1002 and he will be the President of the United states!!

Please go play. Grown-ups are having a discussion.

That`s why over 1/2 his internet support are kids who can`t vote....

hardly grown up...

I'm still trying to get this forum, so when someone is called out as a troll i check their post history.

Trolling is allowed. One liners are allowed in P&N, personal insults are allowed if you are JEDIYoda.

Did i get this right?

Ahhh, lemme guess, the retarded cousin of Anand?

against who?? This is P&N.......the truth of the matter is over 1/2 of all the internet support Ronnie gets is from kids to young to vote......

If The truth hurts, sorry!! Especially if your one of those kids!!

 

[SleepWalkerX]

For your first two questions I would not vote if that's all the system offered.

 

[Beller0ph1]

Luap Nor would peel off the extremists of each party, and still lose.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Your entire premise re. wasted votes is misguided. The simple fact is that with extremely rare exceptions, your single vote for a Republicrat makes zero difference. Absolutely zero. It is literally lost in the noise, less than a rounding error. Voting for a third-party candidate, on the other hand, sends a message. It tells the big two you are dissatisfied with their choices. It tells them they cannot count on blind loyalty to the party. Ultimately, if enough people share your beliefs, it tells them they just lost because the people have spoken. Unfortunately, most people obediently line up just like you and numbly choose between Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dumber. Republicrats wins, America loses.

Bowfinger, I'm astonished that we're in complete agreement. :thumbsup:

It appears 2008 will boil down to Tweedle Dee versus Tweedle Dum, and the only sure thing is that America will lose. Again.