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How would history have changed if the south won the civil war?

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DCal430

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I have always wonders how different things would be if the south won the civil war. Would the US be a nation with slavery still? Would it be broken up into multiple countries. What do you think?
 
DCal430 said:
I am sure the south would still have segregate and a ban on whites and blacks marrying.
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Who knows? I could just as easily say that if the south had been allowed to abolish slavery on their own initiative, they might not have had any reason to dig in and resist change. Perhaps they'd be even further along ethically than they are now.
 
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SlitheryDee said:
Who knows? I could just as easily say that if the south had been allowed to abolish slavery on their own initiative, they might not have had any reason to dig in and resist change. Perhaps they'd be even further along ethically than they are now.
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That seems.... unlikely.
 
Nebor said:
That seems.... unlikely.
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Unlikely, as in all the other nations on the planet?

Face it, we're the only ones who were blood thirsty enough to end it in war, and that left a very bitter impression after Sherman's scorched earth policy.

Blacks who remained took the brunt of the backlash against the North.
 
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Jaskalas said:
Unlikely, as in all the other nations on the planet?

Face it, we're the only ones who were blood thirsty enough to end it in war, and that left a very bitter impression after Sherman's scorched earth policy.

Blacks who remained took the brunt of the backlash against the North.
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They might have abolished slavery "peacefully" but look at most of those countries and you'll see they continued to mistreat ethnic groups for decades after. Many European countries continued to treat their colonies as glorified slave states (hell the reason they could abolish it was because they had outsourced it already) and were vicious in trying to strike down resistance to colonial rule. See India, Vietnam, etc. Many of them had really only stopped because they had forcefully overrun other groups (see Spain and the shit they did to the Americas, the stuff that the US did to Indian tribes even after the Civil War).

Let's not forget all the ethnic cleansing and other shit that happened in the mean time as well. I mean, outlawing slavery sure prevented the Holocaust, Khmer Rouge, Japanese imperial atrocities, The Boxer Rebellion, Bosnian genocide, Sunni/Shiite fighting, and countless African conflicts. While not outright slavery, it is more or less the same fucking thing and sometimes even worse.

Racism is still far too prevalent today, and there's plenty of it in countries that were so dignified to have abolished slavery "peacefully", and Sherman sure as shit didn't raze them.
 
If the South would’ve won we'd a had it made,
I'd prob’ly run for President of the Southern State.
The day Elvis passed away would be our national holiday,
If the South would a won we'd had a it made.

I'd make my Supreme Court down in Texas,
And we wouldn't have no killers gettin’off free.
If they were proven guilty, then they would swing quickly,
Instead of writin’ books and smilin’ on T.V.

We'd all learn Cajun cookin’ in Louisiana,
And I'd put that capitol back in Alabama.
We'd put Florida on the right track ‘cause, we'd take Miami back,
And throw all them pushers in the slammer.

If the South would’ve won we'd a had it made,
I'd prob’ly run for President of the Southern States.
The day young Skynyrd died we’d show our Southern Pride,
If the South would a won we'd had a it made.

I'd have all the whiskey made in Tennessee,
And all the horses raised in those Kentucky hills.
The national treasury would be in Tupelo, Mississippi
And I'd put Hank Williams’ picture on one hundred dollar bills.

I'd have all the cars made in the Carolina's,
And I'd ban all the ones made in China.
I'd have every girl and child sent to Georgia to learn to smile,
And talk with that southern accent that drives me wild.

I'd have all the fiddles made in Virginia
‘Cause they sure can make 'em sound so fine.
I'm goin’ up on Wolverton mountain and see ol’ Clifton Clowers,
And have a sip of his good ol’ Arkansas wine.

Hey, if the South woulda won we'd had it made
I'd prob’ly run for President of the Southern States,
When Patsy Cline passed away that would be our national holiday,
If the South woulda won we'd a had it made.

If the South woulda won we'd a had it made.

We might even be better off.
 
DCal430 said:
I have always wonders how different things would be if the south won the civil war. Would the US be a nation with slavery still? Would it be broken up into multiple countries. What do you think?
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People like you would be executed (or at the very least not allowed to use the Internet) and ATOT would be a better place.
 
It would have almost certainly hugely altered the major events of the next hundred+ years, given that it was the basic end to the states having any significant independence, and it created an all-powerful federal government. What did that mean when combined with the resources and available workforce of an industrial revolution? The birth of a superpower. If we hadn't entered WWI on the allied side, there would have been no treaty of versailles, and hence, no leg for Hitler to stand on to support his vengeful ideals. So no Nazis either.

That said, there is something of a feeling that even if things didn't happen exactly as they did, who's to say that the alternative might have been even worse. It's unknowable really, and hence pointless, although sort of fun to ponder.
 
the democrats would still be running cotton plantations instead of social welfare plantations like they do today.
 
Muse said:
The South was not fated to win the civil war.
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This. The south lacked three important things the North had.
1. A large military-industrial complex
2. Extensive network of railroads
3. A large population of men fit/able to serve in the military

On the first two, the north had industrialized sooner than the south. It had significantly more factories capable of mass producing the arms and supplies needed to serve a large army. 97% of the firearms factories were in the north. The CSA was mostly agricultural. Cotton doesn't win wars, guns do. It also had more railroads to transport these goods to the battlefield. The north had almost 22,000 miles of track compared to the south's 8,800.

On the second, much of the South's male population of fighting age were slaves. They were not permitted to serve in the army. The Union army was double the size of the Confederacy.
 
Jaskalas said:
Unlikely, as in all the other nations on the planet?

Face it, we're the only ones who were blood thirsty enough to end it in war, and that left a very bitter impression after Sherman's scorched earth policy.

Blacks who remained took the brunt of the backlash against the North.
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I think most of the animosity between the North and South after the war was due directly to Sherman's march (scorched earth policy) and the raping of the southern states by the carpet baggers. Sherman was a failure as a human being and an ass hole.
 
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