How would a US strike on North Korea go down?

[Puffnstuff]

NK has called our bluff and it's painfully obvious. Trumps rain of fire and fury was met with the launch of a missile over Japan and the testing of their first h-bomb. To be fair we semi called theirs too, the strike on/around Guam was put on "hold".

And that is the real damage in this war of words. The only fire and fury coming from Trump is when he throws a man child tantrum and attacks the very people he needs the most.

 

[J.Wilkins]

They put it off: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ing-u-s-says-dialogue-up-to-kim-idUSKCN1AU04U

I sure hope that the US backs down and kisses Kim's butt again. That will do just fine, until next time. Sooner or later this has to be dealt with though.

 

[FIVR]

So the leadership is willing to die for NK and be pushed back to the stone age with the deaths of many hundreds millions of their own people to protect Kim.

That makes sense.

What makes more sense? That china will allow the US to kill millions of Koreans miles from its border and cause a humanitarian nightmare the likes of which has never before seen if everything goes perfectly? And if it doesn't go perfectly....


You are the delusional one here. Know that.

 

[J.Wilkins]

No I don't think I'm an idiot. Yes it has something to do with this situation.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/03/tru...th-countries-doing-business-with-n-korea.html

Trump hints at stopping trade with countries that do business with North Korea after nuclear test

• Among countries that would be affected are India, Russia, and Pakistan, but most importantly China.
• China is also one of the U.S.' largest trading partners, and a lifeline to the North Korean regime
• Trump's tweet came just hours after North Korean state television said the isolationist country successfully tested a hydrogen bomb

His tweet from today:
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/904377075049656322

And he has threatened to stop trade since one year before his inauguration.

You can't run scams continuously, people will stop believing that you are sincere.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I sure hope that the US backs down and kisses Kim's butt again. That will do just fine, until next time. Sooner or later this has to be dealt with though.

Sure we'll make a trade agreement so their working poor can make our clothes for half the cost of the working poor in Bangladesh and its win-win for all concerned.

We don't have any more right to bomb them for their military than Canada has to bomb us for ours. Now we have a head mouth piece that's just as radical and unpredictable as NK so go figure.

 

[J.Wilkins]

What makes more sense? That china will allow the US to kill millions of Koreans and cause a humanitarian nightmare the likes of which has never before seen if everything goes perfectly? And if it doesn't go perfectly....


You are the delusional one here. Know that.

NK has been a humanitarian nightmare since the 1920's.

Getting rid of the dictatorship is absolutely necessary eventually and it will save more people than it will kill.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Sure we'll make a trade agreement so their working poor can make our clothes for half the cost of the working poor in Bangladesh and its win-win for all concerned.

No, we need to mark up and shoot down.

Call the boys who know how to do it.

 

[FIVR]

They don't need to fly higher than that after a first strike you moron. Anything that could shoot them down would be long gone by markers and fast fly overs which is what I explained and you didn't get. Also, Russian and NK air defence hits have only ever been tested on civilian airliners flying much lower and at much lower speeds.

Lol. Do you think the north koreans do not have radar? They will see the planes coming. Radar was invented in the 1930s and deployed operational in the 1940s. Why would a nation with capable intercontinental ballistic missile tech lack radar?

You may play pretend that you have a clue, Ruski boi, but in reality, you don't know what the fuck is going on.

Uh huh. Ok britbong you tell me, whats going on?

 

[UglyCasanova]

And he has threatened to stop trade since one year before his inauguration.

You can't run scams continuously, people will stop believing that you are sincere.

And as I've said in my prior posts - where you called me an idiot - I doubt we would go through with cutting off trade and the question is will they call our bluff.

 

[Victorian Gray]

NK has been a humanitarian nightmare since the 1920's.

Getting rid of the dictatorship is absolutely necessary eventually and it will save more people than it will kill.

North Korea only came into existence in 1945 when Korea was partitioned after the war.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Lol. Do you think the north koreans do not have radar? They will see the planes coming. Radar was invented in the 1930s and deployed operational in the 1940s. Why would a nation with capable intercontinental ballistic missile tech lack radar?



Uh huh. Ok britbong you tell me, whats going on?

They won't have jack shit after a first strike. No ground support for air force, no radar, no nothing.

Why do you think that Iraq couldn't fight back? Every single thing was marked and destroyed before they even knew about an invasion, they noticed when they were SOL.

Same would apply to NK. They would have nothing what so ever after a first strike but stranded aircrafts and people running around wondering what to do.

 

[J.Wilkins]

And as I've said in my prior posts - where you called me an idiot - I doubt we would go through with cutting off trade and the question is will they call our bluff.

Of course they will. A I said they have made their stance clear and they HAVE TO follow through. China does not do diplomacy, they may do deals if you sell them the US though but I thought that was already Putins land?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Lol. Do you think the north koreans do not have radar? They will see the planes coming. Radar was invented in the 1930s and deployed operational in the 1940s. Why would a nation with capable intercontinental ballistic missile tech lack radar?



Uh huh. Ok britbong you tell me, whats going on?

Which planes will they be seeing? Not the ones dropping the MOPs.

So let's see how this shapes up. The US drops MOPs on Kim and his nukes. In return they realize that having a million or so refugees is less desirable than half a billion or more of their own people die and a significant part of their country uninhabitable.

Yeah that makes a whole lot of sense. Wipe out thousands and thousands of years of civilization and a significant portion of their people, perhaps most of them.

 

[dank69]

There really isn't any other option and kim knows that. It's why he keeps giving every one the finger. NK has been preparing for war with the south for the last 60 or so years and now they have nuclear weapons. The donald can sabre rattle and email the footage of him beating up vince mcmahon to kim all he likes.

NK know that unless they do something incredibly stupid. Which they won't because they aren't suicidal they can pretty much do whatever they like.

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Of course, if Obama was still in the WH while all this was going down every knuckle dragging conservative and every "'I swear I'm not a Republican I just hate liberals' independent" would be telling every single person they see no matter the context what a pussy he is and how bad he is making America look.

 

[UglyCasanova]

They won't have jack shit after a first strike. No ground support for air force, no radar, no nothing.

Why do you think that Iraq couldn't fight back? Every single thing was marked and destroyed before they even knew about an invasion, they noticed when they were SOL.

Same would apply to NK. They would have nothing what so ever after a first strike but stranded aircrafts and people running around wondering what to do.

The difference though is that NK has nukes and they aren't going to retaliate against our military during a first strike, they are going to launch everything they have at civilians in SK. Once we launch our attack in their calculus they are as good as dead. Holding Seoul hostage is their only bet - it's what keeps us from invading right now.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

They won't have jack shit after a first strike. No ground support for air force, no radar, no nothing.

Why do you think that Iraq couldn't fight back? Every single thing was marked and destroyed before they even knew about an invasion, they noticed when they were SOL.

Same would apply to NK. They would have nothing what so ever after a first strike but stranded aircrafts and people running around wondering what to do.

Regarding radar that's what the B2's are made to avoid. After that then as you say it won't matter and Kim would likely be visiting his unicorns in the sky.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The difference though is that NK has nukes and they aren't going to retaliate against our military during a first strike, they are going to launch everything they have at civilians in SK. Once we launch our attack in their calculus they are as good as dead. Holding Seoul hostage is their only bet - it's what keeps us from invading right now.

How would that work when leadership is gone, communications are compromised and whatever the soldiers hear is what we want them to hear? You have to figure that on an electronic battlefront we're going to move very quickly.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Regarding radar that's what the B2's are made to avoid. After that then as you say it won't matter and Kim would likely be visiting his unicorns in the sky.

The B2's won't be in use, they never are. There are tens of thousands of operatives just waiting to mark the targets, they will be taken out by very high altitude UAV's and very fast overpasses by F22's, after that they can't target jack shit and really, REALLY big bombers will swoop in and take out every military facility left.

The B2 is a useless POS in every scenario I can possibly imagine. Not only is it unreliable, the stealth isn't needed either so it has become a compromise that isn't even needed.

It might be used though, to justify it's existence, that's the case with the overwhelming majority of the US military hardware.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You should stick with wind instruments. All the blowing and sucking is right up your alley.

I love wind instruments. They do require a fair amount of blowing, sucking not so much, if at all.

The only thing that sucks is your lame attempt at bringing Clinton into a thread about North Korea. She lost, get over it.

I am sure you have a clever meme or animated gif to respond with.

 

[J.Wilkins]

I love wind instruments. They do require a fair amount of blowing, sucking not so much, if at all.

Are you trying to tell us your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend sucks at oral (and yes, the pun is very much intended)?

Clinton did lose but she would have handled this a lot better than the twit in the WH has done. Anyone, literally any world leader would be better and anyone who cane second, third fourth or not admitted to a mental institution at this moment would do better.

You don't go "fire and fury" on a suicidal maniac, that's like daring a suicide bomber...

 

[GagHalfrunt]

China fought a war with the US on the DPRKs behalf, and lost hundreds of thousands if not millions of troops doing it. Why do you believe their loyalties lie with the US?

Three reasons:

1) It was a different world then. China were not capitalists and didn't care if trade got shut down. WE were the worlds manufacturers then and we were the ones that would suffer most economically if things went haywire and trade was disrupted.

2) China would not allow the US or an ally to get close to their territory. THAT was the problem, they didn't give a shit if we bombed NK into the stone age, they would not accept an occupying army getting close to THEM. MacArthur screwed that up and gave them no choice. If he had behaved China would have stayed out of if. There's reason to believe that the same holds true now. If we can de-fang NK while not encroaching on China's border they'd probably love it. NK destabilizes their security as much as it does ours.

3) China committed manpower knowing it would not boomerang. They could toss in as many men as they wanted as we could not resupply easily and we would not escalate. It was a slam dunk for them, they were risking nothing other than a few lives and that meant nothing to them.

A little knowledge of history is important, try acquiring some.

BIG BIG BIG difference now. In a nuclear exchange they lose BIG BIG BIG. If we exchange nukes they disappear both as an economic power and as a country. As soon as the missiles stop flying Russia will roll over their asses. That is the difference Zippy. Every country puts their own interest first. Their desire to not commit suicide protecting a rabid dog is not siding with us. Their loyalties lie with China, period and they don't give a shit about NK or us. They're going to do what's best for them and that is not getting into a nuclear war they'd lose. If the shit hits the fan they might take out the leadership of NK before we do. Then they'd send in "advisors" to run NK as a puppet state and protect their buffer zone. They're most definitely not going to go nuke vs nuke with us. Not for NK.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The B2's won't be in use, they never are. There are tens of thousands of operatives just waiting to mark the targets, they will be taken out by very high altitude UAV's and very fast overpasses by F22's, after that they can't target jack shit and really, REALLY big bombers will swoop in and take out every military facility left.

The B2 is a useless POS in every scenario I can possibly imagine. Not only is it unreliable, the stealth isn't needed either so it has become a compromise that isn't even needed.

It might be used though, to justify it's existence, that's the case with the overwhelming majority of the US military hardware.

Remember we're talking about a situation where it might be possible to get a nuke off. IMO the best way to reduce that risk is to take out Kim at home. His palace is likely hardened against ordinary bombardment, but an unannounced GBU-57 would eliminate that obstacle. After than other aircraft, but a surprise decapitation strike makes the most sense to me, but what the heck do I know.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

The only correct move is diplomacy. Full stop. Everything else is a mistake, whether short term or long term.

Sure! That's worked great in the past. Hitler never caused a minute of trouble after Chamberlain kissed his ass in 1938 and declared "Peace for our time!" Diplomacy has been 100% ineffective in the middle east, it's been 100% ineffective with NK, it failed before WW1 and it's failing now. It has not accomplished shit in controlling the banana republics in Central and South America. The best diplomacy is being able to squash your enemies like a bug if they fuck with you. Peace through superior firepower. THAT works.

 

[UberNeuman]

I love wind instruments. They do require a fair amount of blowing, sucking not so much, if at all.

The only thing that sucks is your lame attempt at bringing Clinton into a thread about North Korea. She lost, get over it.

I am sure you have a clever meme or animated gif to respond with.

Nah, I'll just keep squeezing your tit and listen to you cry.

 

[urvile]

How would that work when leadership is gone, communications are compromised and whatever the soldiers hear is what we want them to hear? You have to figure that on an electronic battlefront we're going to move very quickly.

Preparing for war for the last 60 or so years... Actually the war in korea has never ended.. That's why they have a demilitarized zone. NK are not going to give japan and the US/SK any reason to crush them. In this scenario it's japan that is the dominant military power in the region. Unless china enters the fray on the norths behalf. Japan are right next door and have a large technologically advanced military. You can bet australia will be in there too.

Kim knows this. NK knows they would get annihlated if it came down to it. Pretty much the entire region would turn on them. They aren't stupid. I don't think NK has any oil either so an invasion is a tough sell. You also have to understand that trump is seen as a joke. No matter how many times he has the footage of him beating up vince mcmahon clandestinely beamed into NK. They aren't going to take him seriously.