How will we spin this?

[momeNt]

2995 to be exact, any more and you're speaking for your country/religion.

You have it backwards. It's 19. The buildings could have been empty and nobody died but we still would have went to war.

 

[peonyu]

Most crimes are committed by people you know, so the family has to be the first suspect. Also being killed by being beaten to death with a Tire Iron is a very up close and personal assault, it would take alot of anger to kill someone that way...That again points to someone close to the family [or a family member] killing her. Also for a supposedly racist assault her home was not vandalized and her daughter was not killed. Hmm.

It could be a racist assault but my hunch is that its not. False Flags are used ALL the time in personal murders, its simple logic to try and throw the Police off of your trail and have them chasing down boogeymen instead.

 

[peonyu]

The initial note is strange. If some xenophobe did this would they really leave a note first, then come back a few weeks later to beat her to death, and then leave another note? Something doesn't ring quite right in this case. It's almost as if someone was trying a little too hard to make it look like a hate crime.

If I were the police I would be taking a hard look at the husband and other family members.

Im sure they are already doing that. False Flags are common in murders that involve family members or friends. Also from what I understand this murder was a month ago and supposedly the family had found and read the notes a month ago...But somehow they forgot to hand them over to Police after the murder ? o-O Really, Really?! Your Wife/Mother is found dead and a racist left a note gloating about it and you somehow FORGET to give it to the cops. And it gets better, they also lost the notes! So the Police are only taking their word that there was a racist note left after the crime. That sucks, because if it was a printed note they could compare hand writing to the family...What poor luck.

 

[woolfe9999]

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Fern
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Summary:

Iraqi woman, wife and mother, is bludgeoned to death 4 days ago at her home, with the attackers leaving a note "go back to your country, you terrorist."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/28/us/killing-of-iraqi-woman-leaves-immigrant-community-shaken.html

This is inter-ethnic violence, and publicizing it heavily would seem to play right into a liberal agenda. Yet, though it has received national coverage, it is a tiny fraction of what we're seeing in the Martin case. Which raises the question: is inter-ethnic violence and a number of hot button political issues enough for the meteoric coverage we're seeing in the Martin case? Apparently not, which should prompt the reader to consider what factors particular to that case are causing so much coverage, which in turn sheds light on what the media's real biases are. Hint: it isn't a liberal or a conservative bias. And furthermore, "racism" per se is not enough.

Apart from that, the case warrants discussion in its own right. Being bludgeoned to death is a particularly nasty way to die, and having your daughter find your bludgeoned body on the floor is pretty horrific (she died later in the hospital, apparently.)

This reminds me a bit of the other thread about the Jewish boy beaten and others killed in France by radical Muslims. People are taking out their frustrations with a sliver part of an ethnic group on random members of that group.

This, by the way, is exactly the sort of thing that hate crimes statutes were designed for: to send a message that we will not tolerate class-based violence because unlike common crime it is a slippery slope into a sinkhole of never ending retaliations.

- wolf

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2234917

 

[woolfe9999]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2234917

Thanks. I guess it slipped off the main page too quickly for me to notice. The mods can combine it if they feel it appropriate.

 

[Infohawk]

A big difference is the size and history of the two communities in the US. The black community is much larger and has a longer history of being a victim and rallying in response to these kinds of events (sometimes rioting). Is there a Muslim equivalent to Spike Lee tweeting about a crime? Doesn't seem like it.

Anyway, this story may very well get bigger. The police are still investigating.

 

[Orignal Earl]

One person does not represent a country or religion

How many acts of violence against Muslims in the US would you like me to list

 

[ZaneNBK]

Im sure they are already doing that. False Flags are common in murders that involve family members or friends. Also from what I understand this murder was a month ago and supposedly the family had found and read the notes a month ago...But somehow they forgot to hand them over to Police after the murder ? o-O Really, Really?! Your Wife/Mother is found dead and a racist left a note gloating about it and you somehow FORGET to give it to the cops. And it gets better, they also lost the notes! So the Police are only taking their word that there was a racist note left after the crime. That sucks, because if it was a printed note they could compare hand writing to the family...What poor luck.

Could you post links to the story or stories that mention the notes being lost?

Personally I think the daughter comes off as a bad actor. For example, the tissue she's holding appears to be completely dry at the end even though she's continually blotting her face with it.

Then again, I wouldn't be shocked if it did turn out to be some idiot racist that killed her. There are a lot of sick people in the world.

 

[PokerGuy]

I would be suspicious of the note. I would think the note is meant to hide the actual motive.

That certainly seems like a strong possibility. It seems odd that a crazy would just randomly target a brand new family to the area so specifically. Seems more likely that there's something else going on and the note is seen as an easy way to divert attention to other possible suspects/motives.

 

[monovillage]

After the merge I still call it as an honor/family murder trying to be covered up.

 

[woolfe9999]

After the merge I still call it as an honor/family murder trying to be covered up.

Why do you call it that way? I've never heard of a single Muslim honor killing taking place in the US. Contrary to popular perception, they aren't even all that common in Islamic countries.

 

[woolfe9999]

A big difference is the size and history of the two communities in the US. The black community is much larger and has a longer history of being a victim and rallying in response to these kinds of events (sometimes rioting). Is there a Muslim equivalent to Spike Lee tweeting about a crime? Doesn't seem like it.

Anyway, this story may very well get bigger. The police are still investigating.

I think you're right. They don't have an NAACP, an Al Sharpton or a Jesse Jackson to stir the pot the way the black community does. However, I still think there is far more than race in the Martin case, or another way to put it is, it is driven by race combined with the factor of the cops not arresting or charging Zimmerman. Had Zimmerman been arrested and charged it would never have gotten this degree of attention.

I doubt this case will get much bigger. If the perps are apprehended we'll see some updated press. Either way, it will be largely forgotten within weeks even by those who are actually aware of it now, which isn't many.

- wolf

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Some updated info on this case.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...ornia-had-friction-with-daughter-husband?lite