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How will the Democratic Party change course when McCain wins in November?

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Sacrilege

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In my opinion McCain's chances in November are very good. He is a reassuring figure to many Americans; his key traits are patriotic persona and confidence: reliable vote getters. Obama appears to be intellectual and questioning of America; these may be good for a philosopher but Americans have not shown a tendency to vote for people like that.

The Palin controversies will blow over in a few weeks, and she will be beneficial to the ticket in getting Christian conservatives to the polls in a way McCain can't.

IF the Democrats lose the presidential race in November, what will the party do? They will probably gain Congressional seats, but the big prize is the executive office and loss will be a huge morale buster. Will the party tack centrist in the vein of Bill Clinton? Would that mean Hillary would get a second chance? Or would a male candidate be necessary?

This election could have been a cake walk if the Democrats had nominated someone more centrist, more "patriotic," more masculine than Obama. Race is a factor, when it is tied to Obama's liberal stances. A black man who was more centrist could have avoided the "Black nationalist" kind of innuendo (see previous bashing of Michelle Obama).

I am really curious as to what forum Democrats think will happen if the Democrats loose. Will the party go left, or center? I think it has to go center, there are simply not that many liberals in America. And they will all be getting high on election day anyway. It is very rare that I agree with O'Reailly, but I believe he made comments to that effect regarding Daily Show viewers. They simply can't be counted on to vote.
 
The Democrats are deeply divided, much more so than the Republicans. The Hillary supporters are killing Obama in the polls. They are a bigger thorn in his side than Barr is in McCain's.

Its totally ridiculous. They'd like to be the anti-war, pro-freedom party, but looking at their votes in Congress sure shows something different. Their division on the immunity for the Telcom's, their division on Iraq financing and timetables definitely shows this. Congress even voted to show their desire for Georgia and Ukraine to be allowed into NATO. The vote was not recorded, but since they have a majority in both the Senate and the House, there were definitely many Democrats who supported that dumb idea. Thank God they didn't get their way.
 
IF they win is a big if... Right now the latest Gallup pole from 08/30 - 09/01 has Obama at 50% McCain at 42%. In a very closely split country, 50 to 42 is a landslide.

Anyhow to answer your question, they will do what they always do when they find a way to lose... whine about it =)

I personally blame Hillary and her backstabbing, say and do anything to get elected - turning her supporters against him... Sure, BNOW she puplicly backs him up , but the damage is done.
 
The republicans are screwing up the country just because they can. The democrats are screwing up the country out of incompetence. I'm not so sure it matters who wins this November. The most important issue to me in this election is uncontrolled federal spending, and both candidates are looking to make the problem worse.
 
The democrats can not lose the election, the Obamassiah himself said so, and his word is beyond question, heathen! 😉

8 years of horrible unpopular president, terrible economy, rising inflation, high gas prices, old as dirt republican nominee, split republican party (McCain is considered too liberal on many fronts), etc etc. I can't possibly think of any scenario where the democrats have a better environment for winning the election. If they don't win this one, they might as well shut down the party and start over.
 
You could just as easily be asking how will the Republican Party change course when McCain loses in November? The wind will have officially left the 'R' sail at that point.
 
I think the Republicans face a more perilous situation in that they will be a minority in the House and Senate as well as lost the executive. If the Democrats lose they still control the legislature with a more cooperative President than they had before.
 
Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
The republicans are screwing up the country just because they can. The democrats are screwing up the country out of incompetence. I'm not so sure it matters who wins this November. The most important issue to me in this election is uncontrolled federal spending, and both candidates are looking to make the problem worse.
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I fail to see that... Both candidates are going to be far better than Bush in that regard... the bar is so low right now, we can only go up.
 
you thought Bill Clinton was happy getting a BJ? that's nothing compared to how he'd look after that.

but it would be a pyrrhic victory as McCain rules over an empty shell of a land that was devestated by the great 2009 race wars (the black panthers will be given nukes by Obama's supporters in hamas). I weep for Nebraska.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
you thought Bill Clinton was happy getting a BJ? that's nothing compared to how he'd look after that.

but it would be a pyrrhic victory as McCain rules over an empty shell of a land that was devestated by the great 2009 race wars (the black panthers will be given nukes by Obama's supporters in hamas). I weep for Nebraska.
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Stop!!! you are so white its blinding my eyes!!! =)
 
I hope someone is bookmarking this.

If they lose I doubt they'll change much. THey'll keep going until hispanics form a large enoguh part of the population to carry them. It would also depend on the congressional election results.

I would hope htat they would learn they need more white-bread candidates in the future. But that's IF they lose.
 
Maybe go back near the center where they used to be. Go back to the party they were before they were hijacked by extremist after the 2000 election. Move the party to a left/center party so many of us with out a party can come back.
 
If nothing else, Sacrilege is talking sacrilege, the democrats are not assuming they will lose the Presidential election of 2008. And all the policies of the last congress have been aimed at not losing.

But still fair is fair, and Sacrilege has a right to ask that hypothetical question which is a finite possibility but not a probability. What if McCain wins?

Then the answer is anybody crystal ball guess. But it will also depend on the democratic majorities or lack of the same in house and the Senate. And also depend on that hypothetical President Mccain that might opt to be a GOP politics as usual divider or an actual uniter.

And regardless of who wins in 08, our next POTUS will inherit the curse of GHB, because after 8 years of unrestricted spend and borrow, the ability of Uncle Sammy to borrow more is at an end and mother Hubbord's Cupboard is bare. Leading to that compulsion to say, read my lips, gotta raise taxes. A reality that any amount of political spin cannot evade. Meanwhile foreign quagmires must be pared down and
the GWB expansion of government must go on a diet.

But after a two years been there done that, any democratic majority in the house will be far more likely to just simply forget to advance spending bills McCain wants, and let McCain cry, bitch, and moan.
 
Originally posted by: quest55720
Maybe go back near the center where they used to be. Go back to the party they were before they were hijacked by extremist after the 2000 election. Move the party to a left/center party so many of us with out a party can come back.
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We can only hope.

Win or lose, there is great division in the party and there will be huge power struggles as the players reevaluate the direction of the party. It's unfortunate that two extremely gifted candidates will be seen as the major players of that division, the division goes so much deeper.

Neither Senator Clinton nor Senator Obama is responsible for the others loss. They just did what candidates are supposed to do...try to win. We, the voters and the people we have elected are divided and our candidates did what we supported them to do.

I want to believe that both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama care deeply about this country and the issues we face. I still believe that both will go on to do great things. The party just needs a major shakeup.

 
Originally posted by: RY62
Originally posted by: quest55720
Maybe go back near the center where they used to be. Go back to the party they were before they were hijacked by extremist after the 2000 election. Move the party to a left/center party so many of us with out a party can come back.
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We can only hope.

Win or lose, there is great division in the party and there will be huge power struggles as the players reevaluate the direction of the party. It's unfortunate that two extremely gifted candidates will be seen as the major players of that division, the division goes so much deeper.

Neither Senator Clinton nor Senator Obama is responsible for the others loss. They just did what candidates are supposed to do...try to win. We, the voters and the people we have elected are divided and our candidates did what we supported them to do.

I want to believe that both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama care deeply about this country and the issues we face. I still believe that both will go on to do great things. The party just needs a major shakeup.
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That shakeup is happening now- you're just on the wrong end of it to see it for what it is.

Anybody who actually watched the RNC convention tonight knows that, well, that they've seen more energy at a bingo game in a nursing home. They're just going through the motions, kinda like the appeals process for a Texas death row inmate...

John McCain was a POW! Palin can field dress a moose! Learn somethin' everyday, huh?

A few more days of that, and it'll be time to turn off life support...
 
Overall the polls show that the Democratic party is growing relative to the Republican party, probably largely a legacy of 8 years of the dreaded W - there simply are fewer young Republicans than there have been in many years. As a result, Republicans have to move to the center to be electable - witness the nomination of Mr. McCain. Even if the Democrats lose the Presidential election (which I regard as unlikely - I think Obama will win more decisively than in any Presidential election since 1996), they will gain seats in both houses of Congress and consolidate their power for 2012, when McCain will be even more ancient.
 
If they lose then they should do what they should be doing anyway--try to become the party of the American middle class. Stop being altruistic and advocate policies that are in Americans rational selfish economic interest. For example, they could advocate Americans-first policies and not Mexicans-first and H-1B and L-1 visa holders-first policies. They could also cut taxes on the middle class and up the taxes on the wealthy.
 
I like when people who have no idea what the political center is advocate for a party to move more to the center.

I'll give you a hint guys: If the Democrats lose this election it will have literally nothing to do with the policies they advocate. On the majority of salient issues the overwhelming majority of Americans agrees with the Democratic party. It will be because the Republicans were successfully able to turn this election into an election based on a personality contest.
 
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Overall the polls show that the Democratic party is growing relative to the Republican party, probably largely a legacy of 8 years of the dreaded W - there simply are fewer young Republicans than there have been in many years. As a result, Republicans have to move to the center to be electable - witness the nomination of Mr. McCain. Even if the Democrats lose the Presidential election (which I regard as unlikely - I think Obama will win more decisively than in any Presidential election since 1996), they will gain seats in both houses of Congress and consolidate their power for 2012, when McCain will be even more ancient.
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You sure about that?

http://www.rasmussenreports.co...iation/partisan_trends
Tuesday, September 02, 2008
During August, the number of Americans who consider themselves to be Republicans increased two percentage points to 33.2% while the number of Democrats was little changed at 38.9%.

That gives the Democrats a net advantage of 5.7 percentage points, down two points from a month ago and down significantly from the double digit advantage they enjoyed in April and May.
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Just the first poll I checked but it looks like Dem party affiliation has been dropping since Obama got the nod.

 
Hopefully they tell the entire left wing blogosphere to shove it.

More likely, though, they pick a better candidate in 2012 and then try to tax us into prosperity.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I like when people who have no idea what the political center is advocate for a party to move more to the center.

I'll give you a hint guys: If the Democrats lose this election it will have literally nothing to do with the policies they advocate. On the majority of salient issues the overwhelming majority of Americans agrees with the Democratic party. It will be because the Republicans were successfully able to turn this election into an election based on a personality contest.
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Well except maybe the biggest issue for many people. The energy debate the republicans are on the side of the public. The democrats have sided with its extreme left on the whole energy issue.

All the democrats had to do was get a complete energy plan passed this summer in congress and they would of won this election in a landslide. Now McCain has a punchers chance thanks to the democratic party's strong anti-drilling stance.
 
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I like when people who have no idea what the political center is advocate for a party to move more to the center.

I'll give you a hint guys: If the Democrats lose this election it will have literally nothing to do with the policies they advocate. On the majority of salient issues the overwhelming majority of Americans agrees with the Democratic party. It will be because the Republicans were successfully able to turn this election into an election based on a personality contest.
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Well except maybe the biggest issue for many people. The energy debate the republicans are on the side of the public. The democrats have sided with its extreme left on the whole energy issue.

All the democrats had to do was get a complete energy plan passed this summer in congress and they would of won this election in a landslide. Now McCain has a punchers chance thanks to the democratic party's strong anti-drilling stance.
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The Democrats have always been the majority party on a majority of mundane issues.

The Republicans have been the majority party on issues that matter to certain voting blocks and bring them to the polls.
 
Originally posted by: Sacrilege
In my opinion McCain's chances in November are very good. He is a reassuring figure to many Americans; his key traits are patriotic persona and confidence: reliable vote getters. Obama appears to be intellectual and questioning of America; these may be good for a philosopher but Americans have not shown a tendency to vote for people like that.

The Palin controversies will blow over in a few weeks, and she will be beneficial to the ticket in getting Christian conservatives to the polls in a way McCain can't.

IF the Democrats lose the presidential race in November, what will the party do? They will probably gain Congressional seats, but the big prize is the executive office and loss will be a huge morale buster. Will the party tack centrist in the vein of Bill Clinton? Would that mean Hillary would get a second chance? Or would a male candidate be necessary?

This election could have been a cake walk if the Democrats had nominated someone more centrist, more "patriotic," more masculine than Obama. Race is a factor, when it is tied to Obama's liberal stances. A black man who was more centrist could have avoided the "Black nationalist" kind of innuendo (see previous bashing of Michelle Obama).

I am really curious as to what forum Democrats think will happen if the Democrats loose. Will the party go left, or center? I think it has to go center, there are simply not that many liberals in America. And they will all be getting high on election day anyway. It is very rare that I agree with O'Reailly, but I believe he made comments to that effect regarding Daily Show viewers. They simply can't be counted on to vote.
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Here you are arguing that the Republicans going right not center helps them, but the democrats going left not center hurts them. Hm.

I think that's your orientation talking, not fact-based commentary. IMO, the Democrats should win, but if they don't, then there are a couple things they need to do:

1. Become a clearer alernative to the Republicans (yes, go left), and educate the Public why this is a good idea.

Harry Truman once said something similar that given the choice between a real Republican and a phony Republican, the public will choose the real one every time.

The Republicans lost when they tried to be centrist. They won when they offered a clear, however disastrous, candidate, like Reagan or GWB.

2. The Democrats will need to look at the issues how the Republicans are winning, things like campaign funding, and do what's needed to counter it. So much for idealistic policies.

There's an alternative the Democrats have that would be a very bad idea, 'selling out' to the powers that be and running on the marketing-driven campaign.

It might get them elected, but to a harmful leadership - analogous to Bill Clinton's passing the Telecommunications Act, NAFTA and other right-wing policies.
 
Originally posted by: Farang
I think the Republicans face a more perilous situation in that they will be a minority in the House and Senate as well as lost the executive. If the Democrats lose they still control the legislature with a more cooperative President than they had before.
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Yes and no, 2 years of pure democratic control gives the democrats nowhere to blame when they fail to deliver. It could be a first term Clinton situation. Obama puts forth some ridiculous legislation and the democrats in congress pay for it.

With the internet this shit moves very fast. In 4 years we went from a majority republican congress with a republican president to looking at a near super majority democrat congress and democrat president.

In a way the internet may finally break the incumbent lock on congress.
 
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