the stupid was in reference to Bowfinger and his statement that bush was outsourcing jobs. I, like you, am amazed at what brought him to that conclusion.
the stupid was in reference to Bowfinger and his statement that bush was outsourcing jobs. I, like you, am amazed at what brought him to that conclusion.
Bowfinger
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No Dari, the "stupid" is in reference to you and dirtboy not understanding a simple sentence. While I expect dirtboy to be a moronic jerk, you sometimes rise above that. Not today.
I asked, "How has Bush created American jobs?" American jobs is the focus of my comment. I even italicized it to make my emphasis clear. My second sentence, re. Bush creating jobs overseas, is to further emphasize the difference between Sandorski's unqualified "jobs" and my question re. American jobs.
As far as Bush actually creating jobs overseas, he certainly has. Consider all the jobs he's created in Iraq, for example. He's put more effort into improving Iraq's infrastructure than he has our own. He has also fostered a business and economic climate that has encouraged American companies to increase off-shoring. Nonetheless, that is not the point of this thread. My question remains: how has Bush created American jobs? Before you can dismiss Kerry's abilities to create jobs in the future, you need to explain how Bush-lite has created them while President.
Outsourcing is a by-product of globalization. I have debated the advantages of globalizations hundreds of time on this board, I won't start again with you. In essence, globalization benefited Americans so much that every President has supported it. It transcends the political spectrum because of its obvious benefits. Yet you are trying to put a political spin on it. NAFTA was a good for America 10 years ago as it is for us today, yet the political landscape has changed.
The President has created jobs through his tax cuts. During a recession, you lower taxes. During an economic boom, you raise... My God, this is kindergarten economics. This is too obvious to explain. I'm frustrated at such a stupid question.
Please Bowfinger, in case you are not trying to politicize economics, pick up a book on the subject. I'm out.
The point of this thread is "~~~How will Kerry get us more jobs?~~~", some partisan weenies hijacked it into another attempt to bash Pres. Bush.
The answer is, Kerry could not do anymore than what the President has done.
Marvolous post! You are indeed correct on all accounts. Interestingly enough, HowStuffWorks ran an article on How Recessions Work. I posted this and it was widely ignored. If one took the time to read the article, one would draw the conclusion that Bush did not create the recession, Bush did not take people's jobs away and they'd find out that Bush is actually doing everything that a President can do to bring our country out of a recession. In fact, it's a near text book execution.
You can ask a liberal for proof all day long and never get an answer. If a liberal asks you for proof, you are required to give it immediately. Should you not, they will accuse you of hiding things, lieing and make fun of you.
You can always tell you are right when a liberal is reduced to insulting you. Even better when a liberal takes credit for a comment they didn't make. One would think that Dari knew he was referrring to you. I suppose next you will waffle on your statement, just like your hero Kerry. Thanks for continuing to remind us how dumb liberals really are Bow.
His Policies benefitting his fellow Corp thugs to ship both money and jobs overseas is 110% HIS fault.
What about the jobs outsourced under Clinton and many of the Presidents before him? Why don't you point fingers at any of them? Or is it because you never cared in the past since you were making lots of money in the tech industry and now you're not? Is it because you can't get a tech job or is it because you "really care?" I know you don't care, because jobs have been outsourced probably dating back to post WW2 days, but I don't see you holding any of those people accountable. Then again, why would a liberal actually know anything about what they are complaining about. Bush forced companies to outsource. He held summits to show them the benefits.
Originally posted by: dirtboy
What about the jobs outsourced under Clinton and many of the Presidents before him? Why don't you point fingers at any of them? Or is it because you never cared in the past since you were making lots of money in the tech industry and now you're not? Is it because you can't get a tech job or is it because you "really care?" I know you don't care, because jobs have been outsourced probably dating back to post WW2 days, but I don't see you holding any of those people accountable. Then again, why would a liberal actually know anything about what they are complaining about. Bush forced companies to outsource. He held summits to show them the benefits.
don't waste your breath. either dave is a complete and utter moron or he's politicizing American economic policy. For the sake of mankind, I hope it's the latter. I doubt it's the former since the man can read. Then again, Dexter Manly of the Washington Redskins got through elementary school, middle school, high school, and college without knowing how to read...
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: dirtboy
What about the jobs outsourced under Clinton and many of the Presidents before him? Why don't you point fingers at any of them? Or is it because you never cared in the past since you were making lots of money in the tech industry and now you're not? Is it because you can't get a tech job or is it because you "really care?" I know you don't care, because jobs have been outsourced probably dating back to post WW2 days, but I don't see you holding any of those people accountable. Then again, why would a liberal actually know anything about what they are complaining about. Bush forced companies to outsource. He held summits to show them the benefits.
don't waste your breath. either dave is a complete and utter moron or he's politicizing American economic policy. For the sake of mankind, I hope it's the latter. I doubt it's the former since the man can read. Then again, Dexter Manly of the Washington Redskins got through elementary school, middle school, high school, and college without knowing how to read...
Both you guys know it is completely different this time. The News report and Economists themselves have been saying it's different this time.
No one has anything against outsourcing or Globalization. What is wrong is the way it is being doe this time, taking American Tax dollars, Tax incentives, loans, etc and shipping the money and the jobs overseas. That is not how it was done in the past and you know it.
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: dirtboy
What about the jobs outsourced under Clinton and many of the Presidents before him? Why don't you point fingers at any of them? Or is it because you never cared in the past since you were making lots of money in the tech industry and now you're not? Is it because you can't get a tech job or is it because you "really care?" I know you don't care, because jobs have been outsourced probably dating back to post WW2 days, but I don't see you holding any of those people accountable. Then again, why would a liberal actually know anything about what they are complaining about. Bush forced companies to outsource. He held summits to show them the benefits.
don't waste your breath. either dave is a complete and utter moron or he's politicizing American economic policy. For the sake of mankind, I hope it's the latter. I doubt it's the former since the man can read. Then again, Dexter Manly of the Washington Redskins got through elementary school, middle school, high school, and college without knowing how to read...
Both you guys know it is completely different this time. The News report and Economists themselves have been saying it's different this time.
No one has anything against outsourcing or Globalization. What is wrong is the way it is being doe this time, taking American Tax dollars, Tax incentives, loans, etc and shipping the money and the jobs overseas. That is not how it was done in the past and you know it.
You are full of sh!t. You only started to understand globalization after you lost your job. Needless, you're all for protectionism and against global trade. The President hasn't changed the rules of the game.
Due to the Cancun fiasco, he's been trying to reach a series of bi-lateral agreements. Unfortunately, the FTAA agreement is coming up during an election, so no one may get anymore. That will be a sad day for workers and consumers alike.
Again, stop exaggerating and start understanding global trade. You'll just look like an ignorant fool if you continue your light-headed blatherings.
Reading what Dave & Co have to say is personal entertainment for me.
It is the former...post after post, he proves that he is out of touch with the real world.How else do you do it?
Are you trying to say in the past when a job was outsourched it didn't take US dollars, tax incentives, loans... hahaha get out from under the rock you live in.
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This guy is even more hypocritical than he first seemed!
Balance the Budget
Bring down spending to the level of GDP it was under Clinton? WTF does that mean?
Make federal agencies submit plans to lower energy costs by 20%??? Energy costs account for probably 2% of all expenses for gov't agencies. Is he going to make them use candles or something for lighting?
Cut the gov't administrative costs by 5%? How? It's nice to say it, but it doesn't sound like he put much thought into that one.
Stop fraud? Once again, how?
WTF is he talking about in bullet 2? It's like he tried to cram 5 thoughts into 2 sentences. All I know is that he is trying to raise taxes.
Um, spending is Congress' job. Not the president's. We have separation of powers for a reason Mr. Kerry. That aside, I am curious what an 'up-or-down' fashion is, and how this will save billions of dollars.
Basically, all I got out of all of that is that he wants to raise taxes. He submitted no clear plan on how he is going to actually cut costs. It feels like he is just going to get into office and hope that no one remembers all his grand promises (except for the tax hikes).
Ok, so he is going to raise taxes. Got it.
So he is going to raise taxes (as he said earlier) and hand that money over to the states? Why not just let the states raise taxes and allocate that money themselves?
So wait...he is going to lower taxes for manufacturing corporations? I thought they weren't paying enough (as Dave has been preaching)? Plus he is going to add funding to the MEP. Wow, he must be planning on raising lots of taxes.
Why not figure out a strategy NOW? This is like saying, "we don't know what we're going to do, but we are going to do something".
Ok. Raising taxes must be his way of creating a smaller government.
Balance the Budget
WHOA! End special tax breaks? So we're going to be raising taxes, hu? Wow, this guy is going to go down in history as the president who raised taxes the most.
Bring down spending to the level of GDP it was under Clinton? WTF does that mean?
Make federal agencies submit plans to lower energy costs by 20%??? Energy costs account for probably 2% of all expenses for gov't agencies. Is he going to make them use candles or something for lighting?
Cut the gov't administrative costs by 5%? How? It's nice to say it, but it doesn't sound like he put much thought into that one.
Stop fraud? Once again, how?
What is a 'discretionary' spending program? How many programs fall into this catagory?
WTF is he talking about in bullet 2? It's like he tried to cram 5 thoughts into 2 sentences. All I know is that he is trying to raise taxes.
Um, spending is Congress' job. Not the president's. We have separation of powers for a reason Mr. Kerry. That aside, I am curious what an 'up-or-down' fashion is, and how this will save billions of dollars.
Basically, all I got out of all of that is that he wants to raise taxes. He submitted no clear plan on how he is going to actually cut costs. It feels like he is just going to get into office and hope that no one remembers all his grand promises (except for the tax hikes).
Bowfinger
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Thanks, appreciate that. While you consider your opinions to be the word of God, I'm afraid I find them to be predictable, uninformed, party-line noise.
More party-line noise. Given he's still two million jobs in the hole, I'd say his tax cuts aren't having the promised effect. Perhaps if he'd given them to people who spend money instead of people who hoard money they would have been more effective. Perhaps the whole theory is wrong and he should have done something else entirely. Either way, talking about Bush creating jobs is like talking about McDonalds creating thin people. It's tough to do with a straight face if you have any sense of reality whatsoever.
CADsortaGUY
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