~~~How will Kerry get us more jobs?~~~

EXman

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He Screams Jobs Jobs! but never elaborates. He voted for Nafta and there was a vacuum created in months. Will he repeal it? Pesonally I do not think the Pres can do much. I think Kerry could do just as little. Clinton was Lucky during the internet boom where the stock market was overly bloated with tech stocks worth nothing were the norm.

So again what has Kerry suggested? And will it work?
 

Nitemare

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Expanding the government to employee them or hand out checks to everyone.

One step closer to United Socialist States of America
 

MonstaThrilla

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Its amazing what 20 seconds on a website will find you:

(1) STEPS TO JUMPSTART JOB GROWTH TODAY
John Kerry would use the money from the first year of repealing Bush?s tax cuts for the top one percent of Americans on a short-term plan to jumpstart job creation with:

* A New ?State Tax Relief and Education Fund?. The Bush economic approach has left states with nearly $90 billion in budget deficits, forcing lay offs, education cuts, and tax increases. This fund will help states struggling to bridge deficits resulting from Bush?s economic policies with an additional $25 billion a year for two years to stop the education cuts, tuition increases and tax and fee raising that are inhibiting our economic growth and causing layoffs. This fund includes Kerry?s proposed $5 billion to stop state cuts in health care that hurt workers and patients, $5 billion for homeland security to stem layoffs of police officers and fire fighters, and his commitment to fully fund the No Child Left Behind education law.
* Tax Breaks to Expand Manufacturing Jobs in the U.S. Over 2.7 million manufacturing jobs have been lost since President Bush took office. John Kerry will save jobs by ending the unpatriotic practice of U.S. corporations moving offshore simply to avoid paying their fair share of our nation?s tax burden. To create new manufacturing jobs Kerry will:
o Get the Crane-Rangel-Hollings legislation enacted, which provides a corporate rate reduction to manufacturers who produce goods in the United States;
o Propose a new jobs tax credit to encourage manufacturing companies to stay and expand in America. When a manufacturing company creates jobs above their 12 month average, the payroll taxes of the new employees will be refunded for two years.
o Immediately restore and double funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership that President Bush slashed by 80%.
* Job Creation Summits. Ours is a large and complex economy and John Kerry believes that we must understand the challenges to economic prosperity in each sector. He will hold economic policy summits once a week for the first six months of his Presidency to develop targeted strategies to create jobs in key regions and key industries.


I don't care to explain or defend any of it (didn't even read all of it), but there's your answer.
 

dirtboy

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So he's going to create a larger deficit by giving away more money we don't have. I'm sure all the anti-Bushies will be up in arms when they find out their candidate is just going to make things worse.
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: dirtboy
So he's going to create a larger deficit by giving away more money we don't have. I'm sure all the anti-Bushies will be up in arms when they find out their candidate is just going to make things worse.

Uggh. Everyone on this board needs a serious education in how to look up info on a website:

(5) RESTORE FISCAL DISCIPLINE: By borrowing from future generations to give tax relief to those who need help the least, George W. Bush?s economic policies have, for the first time in history, forced the federal government to spend $1 billion more EACH DAY than it takes in. President Bush?s exploding deficits are destroying the solvency of Social Security and Medicare and he has placed the enormous burden of saving these programs on the shoulders of our children and grandchildren. John Kerry believes that we need a smaller and smarter government that wastes less money. John Kerry?s plan will:

Balance the Budget

* Cut the Deficit in Half: John Kerry is committed to balancing the budget. He has put forward a sensible plan that will at least cut the deficit in half in his first term, while investing in economic growth and investing in workers.
* A Balanced Budget Summit: The best way to get to a balanced budget is not in partisan bickering, but in bipartisan cooperation. As President, John Kerry will call a Balanced Budget Summit that will require all sides to work together to make at least temporary sacrifices -- even in their top priorities -- as part of a concerted effort to restore fiscal discipline and fight for our future.
* End Special Tax Breaks: To restore fiscal discipline and strengthen our economy, Kerry will repeal Bush?s special tax breaks for Americans who make more than $200,000.
* Cut Excesses in Government: One of the Bush Administrations well-kept secrets is that under his watch the size of government has actually gotten bigger ? not smaller. John Kerry will reduce the size of the Federal government by: bringing spending down to the level of GDP it was under Clinton, requiring federal agencies to submit annual plans to reduce energy costs by 20 percent by 2020; cut the Federal government?s administrative costs by five percent; cut the number of political appointees and ban providing bonuses for political appointees; cut fraud and abuse in government programs ? fraud and abuse is estimated to cost $12 billion in Medicare alone and end rules that prevent the Federal government from having the same purchasing authority as the private sector.

Reign in Out of Control Spending

* Restore Budget Rules to Stop Runaway Spending. John Kerry believes we need to reverse the new budget rules Republicans in Congress have established that make it easier to spend into deficits with fewer votes. He will also review and reassess all discretionary spending programs to determine their effectiveness and whether they should continue to be funded.
* Implement the McCain-Kerry Commission on Corporate Welfare. Powerful special interest groups make it hard to cut special tax loopholes and pork barrel spending projects. John Kerry supports a Commission that would recommend cuts and require Congress to vote on all recommendations, so no single special interest could fight for pet projects.
* Pass a Constitutional Line-Item Veto to Reduce Corporate Welfare and Excessive Spending. Under Kerry?s plan, the President would identify wasteful spending items in the budget and submit the list to Congress to vote on in an up-or-down fashion ? saving billions of dollars.

Took me a whopping 5 seconds to find that...
 

dirtboy

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Big deal. Talk is cheap. Do you actually think he's going to magically balance the budget and then come up with a surplus to give back to the states and all the other people to create jobs in his first year in office?? hahahaha If you do, Dave & Co have a bridge you might want to look at buying as well...
 

Vic

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The real question is "How will you slaves get yourselves more jobs?"
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In my 32 years, I started working when I was 11 years old (paper route) and the longest I have been unemployed in all that time when was for 3 months when I broke my ankle when I was 22. I have been self-employed twice.

Get off yer fscking asses! You want the gubment to hand out jobs like welfare, screw you. That's not how it works in the US. Get out there and hustle.
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: dirtboy
Big deal. Talk is cheap. Do you actually think he's going to magically balance the budget and then come up with a surplus to give back to the states and all the other people to create jobs in his first year in office?? hahahaha If you do, Dave & Co have a bridge you might want to look at buying as well...

Calm down son. I really have no opinion on his plans. Which is why I explicitly stated I would neither comment on nor defend them. I just presented them, because the OP asked for it. Then you attacked my findings, which is fine, but you did so without educating yourself first. I merely pointed out to you that its possible to go out, find information, and come to your own conclusions before regurgitating the same, old boring diatribe. I'm telling you what Kerry is saying, you can accept or reject it, just like the rest of us can accept or reject whatever Bush says about his economic plans.

You went off on your odd tirade, and that's fine with me. You can believe whatever you want about Kerry. Plainly, I don't care. I was just copying the information the OP wanted.

I don't appreciate the personal attack so I'll make sure to keep you on my sh!t list.
 

dirtboy

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Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
I don't appreciate the personal attack so I'll make sure to keep you on my sh!t list.

If you think that was a personal attack, then you've got serious issues. Replying to someone's post doesn't make something an attack. I was just commenting towards what you posted, not you.
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
I don't appreciate the personal attack so I'll make sure to keep you on my sh!t list.

If you think that was a personal attack, then you've got serious issues. Replying to someone's post doesn't make something an attack. I was just commenting towards what you posted, not you.

*sigh* Resorting to yet another personal attack. So sad.

:beer:
 

dirtboy

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Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
I don't appreciate the personal attack so I'll make sure to keep you on my sh!t list.

If you think that was a personal attack, then you've got serious issues. Replying to someone's post doesn't make something an attack. I was just commenting towards what you posted, not you.

*sigh* Resorting to yet another personal attack. So sad.

:beer:

You really are messed up. :Q Maybe you should set the keyboard down for awhile and get outside.
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
I don't appreciate the personal attack so I'll make sure to keep you on my sh!t list.

If you think that was a personal attack, then you've got serious issues. Replying to someone's post doesn't make something an attack. I was just commenting towards what you posted, not you.

*sigh* Resorting to yet another personal attack. So sad.

:beer:

You really are messed up. :Q Maybe you should set the keyboard down for awhile and get outside.

;)
 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Expanding the government to employee them or hand out checks to everyone.

One step closer to United Socialist States of America

Seems President Bush is doing an excellent job of that already!

 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Expanding the government to employee them or hand out checks to everyone.

One step closer to United Socialist States of America

Seems President Bush is doing an excellent job of that already!

What can I say...even worse of a selection in 2004 than there was in 2000
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Expanding the government to employee them or hand out checks to everyone.

One step closer to United Socialist States of America

Seems President Bush is doing an excellent job of that already!

What can I say...even worse of a selection in 2004 than there was in 2000
I don't think that's possible.

Anyway, don't you think Bush losing would be good for the Republicans in thelong run? Look at it this way, with a Democrat in the Whitehouse the Republican Congress will become more fiscally Conservative and wihtout Bush in the Whitehouse the Republican Party could regain a lot of the credibility they have lost over the last 3 and a half years..enough to be able to run and elect someone who is actually capable of running the country in a competent way(like John McCain). In addition with Kerry in the Whitehouse the Democrats will be blamed for the poor economy and the Republicans can once again use that to their advantage.

 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Expanding the government to employee them or hand out checks to everyone.

One step closer to United Socialist States of America

Seems President Bush is doing an excellent job of that already!

What can I say...even worse of a selection in 2004 than there was in 2000
I don't think that's possible.

Anyway, don't you think Bush losing would be good for the Republicans in thelong run? Look at it this way, with a Democrat in the Whitehouse the Republican Congress will become more fiscally Conservative and wihtout Bush in the Whitehouse the Republican Party could regain a lot of the credibility they have lost over the last 3 and a half years..enough to be able to run and elect someone who is actually capable of running the country in a competent way(like John McCain). In addition with Kerry in the Whitehouse the Democrats will be blamed for the poor economy and the Republicans can once again use that to their advantage.


Kerry's stance on terrorism and pacifying them literally scares me into voting for Bush though. If he'd grow a backbone than your scenario might work
 

CaptnKirk

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With the failing infrastructure of the country, from doads and Highways, to bridges,
and cities - there is plenty of work that needs to be done to fix what is broken.

There seems to be a never ending supply of money that is handed over to the
select corporate supporters for their special causes, stuff that isn't really needed
for the good of the nation and public, more of a reward for past services delivered.

If any of that money just happens to be left over, a lot of true American companies
could spend at least 20 years reconstructing those facilities for the good of everyone.
with nearly 2,000 Wal-Mart 'Big-Box' stores abandoned in places accros our country,
it dosen't make sense to offer a TIF - Taxpayer Increment Funding, to award a company
30 or 40 Million dollars to build another 'Wal-Mart' so that community can abandon the
'OLD' Wal-Mart, so that community can close even more stores that would compete with
the Walton family - Jesus, a new Bridge over the Mississippi river from Saint Louis to
Illinois would replace the old decrepit ones that are falling apart, costing people their lives
in crashes on those unsafe bridges, and maybe not even cost as much as the Wal-Mart.

Same can be said of roads from coast to coast and border to border.

There are abandoned neighborhoods from the days of 'White Flight' during the 50's and 60's
that look like bombed out war zones, where criminal elements deal drugs, and the sleaze lives.
Take the money, plow out these abandoned slums, and rebuild there with new structures,
houses, stores, schools, maybe even award them a Wal-Mart to keep the Waltons happy.

You ever listen to some of what Al Sharpton said ? sometimes he made more sense than
any other candidate, or elected polititian that was in office - and that's scary !
 

dpm

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: Nitemare Expanding the government to employee them or hand out checks to everyone. One step closer to United Socialist States of America
Seems President Bush is doing an excellent job of that already!
What can I say...even worse of a selection in 2004 than there was in 2000

Sad truth
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
I don't appreciate the personal attack so I'll make sure to keep you on my sh!t list.

If you think that was a personal attack, then you've got serious issues. Replying to someone's post doesn't make something an attack. I was just commenting towards what you posted, not you.

*sigh* Resorting to yet another personal attack. So sad.

:beer:

You really are messed up. :Q Maybe you should set the keyboard down for awhile and get outside.

Before you know it, MonstaThrilla will be referring to Europeans colelctively as "Euroweenies" and label anyone who disagrees with him as a liberal.

 

digitalsm

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* A New ?State Tax Relief and Education Fund?. The Bush economic approach has left states with nearly $90 billion in budget deficits, forcing lay offs, education cuts, and tax increases.

Thats SO MUCH BS. States are where they are because of their own incompetency. Especially Cali and Texas, which make up 70% of that $90billion.

With close to $60billion of the states deficits, Texas and Cali, were just flat out incompetent.

Texas' Gov Rick Perry didnt call a special session after Sept 11, which caused the Texas budget that was passed in May 2001, to run up the deficit. In Cali you had the state govt overtaxing, and overspending, and chargin minimal costs(compared to other states) for education and services.

Bush's economic approach is NOT the reason why states had deficits.
 

dmcowen674

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"How will Kerry get us more jobs?"

By doing anything more than just giving Tax Breaks and incentives to rich boys that just take the money and run and actually use the money to set up Foreign Operations and send the jobs over there.


 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: Puwaha
Bush's economic approach is NOT the reason why states had deficits.

Hmmm... can anyone say unfunded mandates? Especially in the realm of education?

Actually they werent unfunded mandates involving education.

They were like the drinking age, and seat belt mandates. The federal govt would yank funding if they didnt comply. Not that I support the No Child Left Behind Act, I support a privatized education system, anyone can do better than the Govt at this point.



 

dirtboy

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"How will Kerry get us more jobs?"

By doing anything more than just giving Tax Breaks and incentives to rich boys that just take the money and run and actually use the money to set up Foreign Operations and send the jobs over there.

Translation: I have no clue.