How will ATI respond to Fermi? (poll included)

[cbn]

Cast your vote

 

[waffleironhead]

pole is lacking

 

[Keysplayr]

pole is lacking

Is that a fishing pole, or the North Pole?

 

[deputc26]

Cast your vote

How? ........

Edit: sorry for the harassment, I don't think ATI needs to respond at all, Fermi is too power constrained to threaten Evergreen much. If nv can get heir fab act together we could see significant gains for Fermi however, and this would force a reaction.

 

[Lonyo]

Blame vbulletin for poll lacking. It posts the thread before the poll is created.

Hopefully in the short term ATI will lower prices to September levels. Although I'm not entirely sure it's likely given rumoured Fermi pricing.

 

[cbn]

The poll is now up.

 

[*kjm]

pole is lacking

Yep... I hope they are looking for a whole new chip.

 

[Udgnim]

voted "Redesign the Cypress core for greater clock speed." don't think ATI will necessarily redesign their Cypress core, but I do think they will release a higher clocked one.

I'm going to trust Charlie on Fermi having a limited production run, so I doubt ATI prices will move much on their 58XX cards.

 

[legcramp]

Easy, release an HD5890, bump the memory capacity up a bit, bump the core/memory speed up a bit, and we have a winner. That is of course if the rumors for the GTX480 is true where it's only 5-10% faster than the HD5870. But we will find out!

 

[jdjbuffalo]

Initially, I think ATI will drop their prices. I'm thinking we'll see the 5850 at around $199 - $249 and the 5870 at around $299 - $349. They should easily be able to afford it and if this were a normal cycle, I would expect the cards to already be at those prices.

I'm sure they will still be able to make plenty of money at those prices now that they've got their yield problems under control.

I think the response later in the year (Q3) will be a refresh with a minor redesign on the Cypress core plus possibly some faster RAM.

 

[bigboxes]

They'll just lower prices and possibly up the frequency and release a 5890. Fermi isn't even out yet so they will six months ahead of a paper launced card when it finally does reach retail outlets. So, maybe six months and we'll have the 6870.

 

[Hauk]

Way back in November, word on the street was:

http://www.overclockersclub.com/news/25798/
http://www.guru3d.com/news/six-display-port-radeon-hd-5870-2gb-on-its-way/

AT's recent mention of 5870E6:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3750&p=2

How easy it's been to bump 5870's voltage a bit for +900MHz performance. Will they? Or could they bump memory performance as suggested by OP? I don't think either *need* to happen, but it would be nice. Simply launching this thing is gonna do..

 

[AdamK47]

Asus Matrix 5870 ROG

 

[RussianSensation]

Increasing memory bandwidth is not going to do much for 5870 since it's not memory bandwidth constrained. The most logical is probably ATI lowering prices over the next 1-2 months (but only assuming that NV has wide availability). If NV does not have wide availability, ATI will keep their prices steady for a month I would say before lowering prices.

I then anticipate a refresh part with faster GPU clock speeds in the form of 5890 sometime in May or June time frame, with HD6000 series being launched in late Q4 2010 or early Q1 2011. (purely speculating).

 

[SlowSpyder]

I doubt they'll do anything initially. Once Fermi starts to ramp up and parts become more and more readily available (I tend to believe the rumors that Fermi's launch parts will be very limited, and it'll take a few months before a good volume of Fermi parts will be available) then I see AMD lowering prices of their current parts and eventually releasing a 5890.

 

[nitromullet]

Nothing to begin with. Of course prices will drop on both sides as supply increases, but that will take a few months.

 

[solofly]

I think they should lower prices...

 

[cbn]

Nothing to begin with. Of course prices will drop on both sides as supply increases, but that will take a few months.

At what point does it stop making sense for Nvidia to lower prices?

The way I look at things Fermi is primarily a HPC card that can also be sold as a gamer's card.

But why is the die so large is what I want to know? Does having a SLI bridge connecting two smaller die GPUs on a single PCB hamper HPC performance?

 

[Grooveriding]

Probably lower prices. If they drop the 5970 to $600, it's going to make buying a 480 a tough decision, when you can spend the extra $100 for a lot more performance.

5870 and 5850 probably take a $30-$50 price cut.

And of course a 5890 will be coming at some point. They don't need to do much. Their new series will be out end of the year.

 

[Blue Shift]

Hmm? I think the vendors will simply stop selling them so far past MSRP. The 5970E6 and/or 5990 may be the official response, though.

 

[RussianSensation]

If they drop the 5970 to $600, it's going to make buying a 480 a tough decision, when you can spend the extra $100 for a lot more performance.

The thing is 5970 is $600, actually its MSRP is $599
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3679&p=1

But you can't find it at that price anywhere.

 

[cbn]

So far 39 votes have been cast. (Distribution: 12.82%, 0%, 10,26%, 38.46%, 38.46%)

"Lower prices" and "Do nothing" being tied with the highest amount of votes (15 each).

 

[nitromullet]

At what point does it stop making sense for Nvidia to lower prices?

The way I look at things Fermi is primarily a HPC card that can also be sold as a gamer's card.

But why is the die so large is what I want to know? Does having a SLI bridge connecting two smaller die GPUs on a single PCB hamper HPC performance?

Of course, both companies can only lower prices to a point, but generally over the span of the product's life cycle the prices will drop. Once the cards get to a point where either they are too expensive to produce for their relative performance bracket or a new technology replaces them, they are EOL'ed.

 

[cbn]

Of course, both companies can only lower prices to a point, but generally over the span of the product's life cycle the prices will drop. Once the cards get to a point where either they are too expensive to produce for their relative performance bracket or a new technology replaces them, they are EOL'ed.

I agree the prices will drop, but isn't this primarily due to improvements at the fab over time? (yields increasing).

Too bad, another competitive fab didn't emerge. That would have helped a lot.

 

[Apocalypse23]

I doubt they would lower prices...until they have something new in production...My option is nothing.