How will AMD answer the challenge posed by Haswell?

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It may not have been easy to follow . But no where do I ever say medffield is OoO . I stated many times Interl is stuck with inorder for 5 years. Times up . Next atom @22nm is OoO. Many manysearch results . IDC it seems we helped him as he was thinking OoO for 14nm as you see by his post.. See good things happen
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4333/intels-silvermont-a-new-atom-architecture

 

[Nemesis 1]

Medfield is most certainly not an OoO chip. The only OoO tablet chip currently out is Hondo.

I didn't know that Hondo was out in the wild . What OS is it running . Must be windows 7 as hondo is x86 only

 

[Nemesis 1]

If I had any gutts I would link to a debate here on whats happening with imagenatition 545. I had a couple of things correct in that debate . But was 4x more wrong than right . But I was more correct than Fox was the guy debating me . That was back in jan of 2010 . Talk about problems with timing .. I did have but I was basing everthing off of links and articles at the time . either medfield was a year late or the info was just wrong . But for the most part I won that debate but still massively incorrect . The debate hinged around tegra 2 Vs the 545 thats going into the next atom There was also news that the next atom would have IB IGPU . AT article. Man this keyboards is giving me fits its so much better than what i had i barely touch the keys

 

[NTMBK]

It may not have been easy to follow . But no where do I ever say medffield is OoO .

Yeah, I misunderstood your post. Sorry about that!

I didn't know that Hondo was out in the wild . What OS is it running . Must be windows 7 as hondo is x86 only

Yup, the MSI WindPad 110W has got the Z-01 in it- it has Windows 7, but there's an interesting "review" of it here running a (really early) Windows 8 preview.

If I had any gutts I would link to a debate here on whats happening with imagenatition 545. I had a couple of things correct in that debate . But was 4x more wrong than right . But I was more correct than Fox was the guy debating me . That was back in jan of 2010 . Talk about problems with timing .. I did have but I was basing everthing off of links and articles at the time . either medfield was a year late or the info was just wrong . But for the most part I won that debate but still massively incorrect . The debate hinged around tegra 2 Vs the 545 thats going into the next atom There was also news that the next atom would have IB IGPU . AT article. Man this keyboards is giving me fits its so much better than what i had i barely touch the keys

Sounds like an interesting debate- and yeah, Tegra 2 vs. Medfield would definitely have been a very different fight. And yup, Valleyview is getting Ivy Bridge graphics units (although far fewer of them, of course)- its looking like a really interesting part. I just hope it ships soon enough! I'm holding off getting any sort of Windows 8 machine until Valleyview and Jaguar are out- they seem like the "real" Windows 8 tablet processors. Hondo and Medfield both feel like rushed stopgap chips.

 

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Sounds like an interesting debate- and yeah, Tegra 2 vs. Medfield would definitely have been a very different fight. And yup, Valleyview is getting Ivy Bridge graphics units (although far fewer of them, of course)- its looking like a really interesting part. I just hope it ships soon enough! I'm holding off getting any sort of Windows 8 machine until Valleyview and Jaguar are out- they seem like the "real" Windows 8 tablet processors. Hondo and Medfield both feel like rushed stopgap chips.

Intel says its 4x faster than medfield graphics

 

[Nemesis 1]

Yeah, I misunderstood your post. Sorry about that!



Yup, the MSI WindPad 110W has got the Z-01 in it- it has Windows 7, but there's an interesting "review" of it here running a (really early) Windows 8 preview.



Sounds like an interesting debate- and yeah, Tegra 2 vs. Medfield would definitely have been a very different fight. And yup, Valleyview is getting Ivy Bridge graphics units (although far fewer of them, of course)- its looking like a really interesting part. I just hope it ships soon enough! I'm holding off getting any sort of Windows 8 machine until Valleyview and Jaguar are out- they seem like the "real" Windows 8 tablet processors. Hondo and Medfield both feel like rushed stopgap chips.

Its not going to easy to knock apple out of enterprize space apple has overwhelming lead in apps. I kinda sorta like . Apple reversing everthing on MS . This is in fact true justice . MS stole from Apple way back when . IF ms disappearedd the way DEC did I would be vary pleased. I prefer justice to fanboyism. Even if intel falls a preferr justice .

 

[NTMBK]

Intel says its 4x faster than medfield graphics

That's good- if tablet manufacturers want to copy Apple with "retina displays", then we're going to need all the graphics power we can get!

 

[Exophase]

Medfield is most certainly not an OoO chip. The only OoO tablet chip currently out is Hondo.

Cortex-A9, Krait, and presumably the CPU in A6 are OoO.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Yup, the MSI WindPad 110W has got the Z-01 in it- it has Windows 7, but there's an interesting "review" of it here running a (really early) Windows 8 preview.

Holy molly I wasn't expecting this . AMD didn't move the bar . You can't do that against intel . Looks like amd sand bagging with 28nm waiting for intels oct 2012 release

 

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Holy molly I wasn't expecting this . AMD didn't move the bar . You can't do that against intel . Looks like amd sand bagging with 28nm waiting for intels oct 2012 release

The real issue is that AMD has cancelled their 28nm die shrink of Bobcat. On the plus side this hopefully means they're pouring all of their energies into getting Jaguar out faster, but in the meantime we've got the current situation.

 

[poohbear]

did'nt AMD already concede that they're not focusing on desktop CPUs anymore? its just not something they can sustain against the giant that is intel.

 

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The real issue is that AMD has cancelled their 28nm die shrink of Bobcat. On the plus side this hopefully means they're pouring all of their energies into getting Jaguar out faster, but in the meantime we've got the current situation.

So what process is jaguar on ? Man Amd going gate first was stupid

 

[Nemesis 1]

That's good- if tablet manufacturers want to copy Apple with "retina displays", then we're going to need all the graphics power we can get!

Ok so what do ya make of Intel investing big in Sharp

 

[Idontcare]

So what process is jaguar on ? Man Amd going gate first was stupid

Because they had an extra half-billion dollars laying around to invest into making a gate-last 32nm node that would be production worthy on the same timeline?

R&D is about tradeoffs.

You trade off the money invested, the timeline for the developed product to be market ready, and the capability of the product itself.

^ you get to pick 2 of the 3 as your priorities, you can't prioritize all three at the same time.

To hit the development cost and schedule, the scope of 32nm had to be reigned in a little. Same reason Intel was able to HKMG for 45nm but everyone else had to stick with poly-si/SiONx.

 

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Ok so what do ya make of Intel investing big in Sharp

It's a pretty clever move, on their part- smartphones have been prioritising display tech massively for a few years now, and Apple is starting to push that on the laptop side too. A better display is a more obvious improvement to most users who just want to Facebook. By getting a finger in that pie, Intel is hedging their bets quite well.

 

[CHADBOGA]

It's a pretty clever move, on their part- smartphones have been prioritising display tech massively for a few years now, and Apple is starting to push that on the laptop side too. A better display is a more obvious improvement to most users who just want to Facebook. By getting a finger in that pie, Intel is hedging their bets quite well.

Don't you think the Sharp thingee relates more to Ultrabooks than to Smartphones?

 

[NTMBK]

Don't you think the Sharp thingee relates more to Ultrabooks than to Smartphones?

Most likely- it'd be a big coup for Intel if they could get "retina" displays in Ultrabooks before Apple got them into a Macbook Air. There's still a bit of a "me-too" feeling around Ultrabooks at the moment, same way there is around a lot of Android smartphones- it'd be good to see PC manufacturers beating Apple again.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Most likely- it'd be a big coup for Intel if they could get "retina" displays in Ultrabooks before Apple got them into a Macbook Air. There's still a bit of a "me-too" feeling around Ultrabooks at the moment, same way there is around a lot of Android smartphones- it'd be good to see PC manufacturers beating Apple again.

Well I going OT for a second here . I sold off all my stocks and not active in the market.
I thought I would give you guys a heads up . I base investments off of solid information . even tho the markets been risinglately . My numbers are all goofy. According to my numbers the market should not be rising . but falling . Its bad for you guys that I so bad with grammer spelling . My mind works to fast . Were you have good luck so far as I concern is a read really fast and absorb about 95% of what I read at high speed.

I suppose some were shocked by my statement that Intel may be in for a fall. I believe that . Have for some time. I ran into something intersting maybe you guys would like a heads up type thing here . Maybe not .

http://www.moneynews.com/Outbrain/b...-stock/2012/08/29/id/450265?PROMO_CODE=FE8A-1

 

[Idontcare]

Well I going OT for a second here . I sold off all my stocks and not active in the market.
I thought I would give you guys a heads up . I base investments off of solid information . even tho the markets been risinglately . My numbers are all goofy. According to my numbers the market should not be rising . but falling . Its bad for you guys that I so bad with grammer spelling . My mind works to fast . Were you have good luck so far as I concern is a read really fast and absorb about 95% of what I read at high speed.

I suppose some were shocked by my statement that Intel may be in for a fall. I believe that . Have for some time. I ran into something intersting maybe you guys would like a heads up type thing here . Maybe not .

http://www.moneynews.com/Outbrain/b...-stock/2012/08/29/id/450265?PROMO_CODE=FE8A-1

moneynews.com isn't exactly considered to be an investor-worthy newsite, it is more viewed as having crank stories. Taking investment action on the basis of "articles" read on moneynews is like taking investment action on the basis of "articles" you read on Semiaccurate which would have you selling Nvidia stock every day of the week.

That said, the reason sites like moneynews and semiaccurate get the readership they do is because of the psychological trappings of confirmation bias.

Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way.

I suspect that you are inclined to think the global economy is headed for a slowdown/recession/depression/collapse/etc and as such you unconsciously seek out and acquire confirmation of your biased worldview.

Everyone does it, don't feel like it makes you any better or worse off than the rest of us. But you should think twice about it if you are using off-mainstream "news" sources as the basis for rationalizing your market investment decisions.

It might be time to short the market, but I would not do so on the basis of that I read something dire at moneynews.com anymore than I would decide it was time to short Nvidia stock on the basis that Charlie thinks their upcoming GPU is hot, slow, and otherwise unmanufacturable

But people who want to believe will believe, that's confirmation bias getting the better of you.

 

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moneynews.com isn't exactly considered to be an investor-worthy newsite, it is more viewed as having crank stories. Taking investment action on the basis of "articles" read on moneynews is like taking investment action on the basis of "articles" you read on Semiaccurate which would have you selling Nvidia stock every day of the week

Kinda like the US employment numbers than . I see . Funny that info is reliable in this field . I thought we had laws that stopped the use of naming names as liability can be assumed. Really IDC if you have a 100% reliable investment source share it. I understand these are big float companies but one can see a selling trend in them if one looks . Now if the stock price is rising at time that the big boys are selling . Gee I thought thats how they becamme the big boys. We should take this to another forum IDC maybe you should move these to another section

 

[Nemesis 1]

But people who want to believe will believe, that's confirmation bias getting the better of you.

No IDC I 100% gold have been for awhile now. I posted this for you guys . just as a heads up . I told people here along time ago when AMD stilll had stock price value to short amd . But I know one rel;iable . See how that works . I have lost . BUT only on low float companies were munipulation is not easy to control

 

[pelov]

Don't you think the Sharp thingee relates more to Ultrabooks than to Smartphones?

It would be interesting to see an Intel-built Ultrabook, top-to-bottom. Although I doubt they're going to Microsoft their OEMs anytime soon.

 

[Idontcare]

Kinda like the US employment numbers than . I see . Funny that info is reliable in this field . I thought we had laws that stopped the use of naming names as liability can be assumed. Really IDC if you have a 100% reliable investment source share it. I understand these are big float companies but one can see a selling trend in them if one looks . Now if the stock price is rising at time that the big boys are selling . Gee I thought thats how they becamme the big boys. We should take this to another forum IDC maybe you should move these to another section

Investment info is a "get what you pay for" area. If you pay nothing for the info then you are getting what you paid for.

My point wasn't to debate the direction of the global economy, my point was that the only way we can save ourselves from being the victims of our own confirmation bias is to rigorously assess the sources of info that we are relying on as being in support of confirming our views.

If you find that yourself resorting to relying on less and less mainstream sources for facts and figures to support your views then that should be taken as a red flag that maybe you are just casting a wider and wider net in hopes of snagging something that is going to tell you what you wanted to hear all along.

That isn't to say mainstream is right, and it isn't to say that all niche reports are wrong, but if you don't actively attempt to counteract your inherent pursuit of confirmation bias (we all have it, recognizing it is only half the battle though) then you are essentially leaving yourself rudderless in a world full of information that could be used to much better end-results.

Confirmation bias is a big issue in the CPU forums as it relates to the willingness or unwillingness of fanboys to accept benchmarking results from any given review site.

Those with unchecked confirmation bias are easy to spot because they run with any bit of rumor as if it were bonafide fact regardless the publication source.

For example the the Bloomberg "article" purporting Intel's Clover Trail was going to be grossly delayed, etc. For folks who are predisposed to wanting to believe the worst is in store for Intel that article was easy to believe and repeat as if it were fact. Unchecked confirmation bias running amok.

Unchecked confirmation bias in matters of computer technology is not such a big deal, few people lose significant amounts of money from it. But unchecked confirmation bias in the realm of one's financial future and investments is a recipe for financial catastrophe. So it makes me concerned to be sure. Concerned enough to take the time to attempt to bring it to your attention.