How well do the tualatin celerons overclock?

[butch84]

I am looking at getting a 1.0A GHZ or 1.1GHZ celeron based on the tualatin core. They are pretty cheap, and im looking at getting an abit VH6T motherboard to go with it. Now i know amd is a better value for lower end stuff, but i already have an althlon xp, and i want this celeron setup just to play around and overclock. Anyway, the question is, how reliably will a 1gig tualatin celeron overclock to 1.33Ghz? The 1.1GHZ version of the celeron is the same price too, but im not sure how it would like the 133fsb. Going to a 133fsb would put the clock at 1463mhz. Is that likely to happen?? How about even higher clocked celerons?

Thanks for your input guys.
Butch

 

[imported_zenwhen]

A guy over at overclockers forums has a 1.4 Tually @ over 1.8 and is trying to go higher.

You might have really good luck, or just be SOL.... celeries arent really "consistant".

Results vary WIDELY from chip to chip.

 

[Deadlifter]

I've got a 1.1A running at 133 FSB, only needed a bump in core voltage up to 1.625 volts.
Completely stable and runs at full load temp of 42C with my AX-7/Sunon 50 CFM combo,
probably because my case temps are 34C.

 

[butch84]

Sounds cool- both in overclock and in temps (my AthlonXP runs at 48C full load). I think i just might try out a cely 1.1ghz. Anybody have any thoughts on wether i should go with the Abit VH6T (Via Apollo Pro 133a), or the ST6 (815EP)?? Seems like the via chipset will allow more memory and be less fussy, but at lower mem bandwidth. Any thoughts anyone??

thanks again
butch

 

[Blastman]

overclockers

 

[Blastman]

Oh, I like the 1.0A because even if you want to go faster than 1.33 - a faster fsb/memory will help performance. (1.0x1.46) = 1.46 will be faster than (1.1x133) = 1.46 but the pci bus a little out spec. so you will have to decide which way to go.

Generally 1.5 GHz is a reasonable limit for the Celeron-T without resorting to better cooling and really starting to push the voltage. The 1.0A should make somewhere to 1.35 - 1.5 Ghz on standard voltage although generally I would say you will need to start upping the voltage somewhere around 1.4 (or a little higher) -unless you have a good chip. The newer chips manufactured in 2002 also seem to be generally better.

A good 300psu may help overclocking at standard voltage. I sense that some people need to up the voltage sooner because they are using a cheap psu and the voltage starts to fall off a little as they get higher.

 

[oldfart]

should go with the Abit VH6T (Via Apollo Pro 133a), or the ST6 (815EP)??

Go with the 815EP. It is the best chipset for an S370 rig. You dont want the lower mem BW, lower IDE performance, and PCI lantency VIA issues. The ST6 is a very good board for overclocking the Tually's.

 

[Acts837]

oldfart has sage advice. A few months back I had built a ST6/1.0A combo. Traded it to my Uncle for a cedar chest for the misses. Missed it so much that I just ordered another combo from newegg for $138

toyed wiith the idea of getting a 1.1a but thought I had read somewhere that they ran hotter than the 1.0a (cause of the bump in voltage?). anyway, stock cooling, stock voltage, 133 fsb, 1.33GHz, stable, cheap, 256k cache, can you ask for anything more?

 

[techwanabe]

Newegg has the ABIT ST6 now? I had to order mine from NWave.com (they had excellent price though... $61 plus about $7 shipping)

Edit: Ah, good, I see they are finally selling it! With shipping it is about the same price I paid from Mwave. Excellent.

 

[Richardito]

Originally posted by: butch84
Sounds cool- both in overclock and in temps (my AthlonXP runs at 48C full load). I think i just might try out a cely 1.1ghz. Anybody have any thoughts on wether i should go with the Abit VH6T (Via Apollo Pro 133a), or the ST6 (815EP)?? Seems like the via chipset will allow more memory and be less fussy, but at lower mem bandwidth. Any thoughts anyone??

thanks again
butch

I have the Abit VH6T and highly recommend it. It is not prone to crashing at all.

 

[jiffylube1024]

I have an ASUS TUSL2-C with a Celeron 1.0A. I myself flirted with the idea of getting a 1.1, but I figured I should play it safe (especially since this is mostly my parent's machine - mine is a P4 2.2) ... Well, the Celly is running pretty smoothly right now at 1.4 Ghz (no crashes whatsoever for 1.5 months). I have to do more testing, but it was totally unstable at 1.5 GHz and I don't think it was rock stable at 1.45 Ghz either ... my advice: play it safe and get the 1.0A .... think about it, the 1.1 probably isn't any "faster" of a chip, it just costs more because it has a higher built-in multiplier (11X vs. 10X). Also, you get a nice little boost in FSB speed as well, without anything gratuitous (<150 MHz fsb is pretty safe with most components).

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Deadlifter
I've got a 1.1A running at 133 FSB, only needed a bump in core voltage up to 1.625 volts.
Completely stable and runs at full load temp of 42C with my AX-7/Sunon 50 CFM combo,
probably because my case temps are 34C.

Deadlifter - your fan pushes 50 CFM of air!!?? Is it a 7000 rpm fan?

 

[FalseChristian]

As you can see from my signature that I have the 1.2GHz T-Celery overclocked to 1.5GHz at 1.7 volts. It'll do 1.56GHz but at 1.8 volts it runs way to hot.

Stick with either the 1GHz or 1.1GHz T-Celery for the best overclocking goodness.

Also, get the Abit-ST6. It's much stabler than the VH6T and uses Intel's i815EP chipset.

 

[Bonka]

The 1.0a/1.1a Celerons are pretty much guaranteed to overclock to 133fsb with little to no problem. If you want high memory bandwidth, get the 1.0a, if you want a high clockspeed as well, get the 1.1a. I would only recommend getting the 1.2 Celeron if you can hand pick it. The 1.2's are less guaranteed to hit 133fsb although with the new stepping showing up, chances of reaching 133 will probably be higher.

 

[Acts837]

How well do the tualatin celerons overclock?

Yesterday I put a new 1.0A in my ST6 and she fired up at default volage running @133FSB = 1346 MHz (I know the math doesn't add up but thats what MBM tells me).

I have only rebooted after installing Sisandra, Prime, and MBM. Has been up for 17 hours crunching anything and everything I can thow at it. This rig doesn't even hickup! Sweet.... I'm keepin this chip for awhile. Looking at the Thermalright AX-7 to get rid of the retail HSF.

 

[techwanabe]

Acts,

Where do you dl Sandra, Prime and other benchies from? I got MBM so I'm good for that one. Thanks.

 

[oldfart]

1346 MHz (I know the math doesn't add up but thats what MBM tells me).

Abit and Asus both run 134 FSB when set to 133 FSB. Makes them look a tiny bit better when the review sites do the comparisons

 

[Deadlifter]

I don't really know what the rpm of my 50 CFM Sunon fan is, though I believe it is accurate based on how much air it pushes. It's somewhat thicker than a standard case fan, but doesn't come with a tach output so I use MBM5 temp monitoring to trigger a shutdown if it should fail. It's about 40db which makes it my loudest fan, but it isn't too obnoxious and largely blends in with the case fans.

 

[Acts837]

Prime95

Sandra

Here ya go.

 

[Zap]

I don't have any personal experience with the Abit ST6, but own the VH6T. I don't think there's much of a performance difference between the two as in the past. People used to choose Intel over VIA because way back when, the Intel BX would spank the VIA 693 all over the place. The VIA 694X came closer in performance to the BX, while the Intel 815 series _dropped_ in performance from BX levels. The VH6T uses the newest VIA 694T chipset. Knowing VIA, their subsequent chipsets always gives better memory performance than the ones they replace (KT133->KT133A, KT266->KT266A, P4X266->P4X266A). I checked out the link that Blastman provided... unless I'm reading it wrong, one person has both boards and says the VIA board performs better.

I choose the VH6T over the ST6 for four reasons. #1 it was easier to find at the time I bought it (February?). #2 it was cheaper at the time I bought it (by more than a few bucks). #3 it supports more than 512MB RAM, in case I need it. #4 it has an ISA slot for my USR Courier v.Everything modem, which I'm quite attached to (some of us don't have broadband in our areas).

Using my VH6T I started with a 1.0A->1.33. I then got a 1.1A->1.46. I just got (as in it arrived on FedEx from Newegg today 6/28/02) a 1.2, and am hoping for 1.6. I tend to like the "official" bus speeds since it keeps AGP/RAM/PCI at defaults. I may try getting the 1.1A to work on my Abit BX133-RAID board.

 

[Acts837]

-Update on my new 1.0A- Been rock stable @ 1516 (default voltage) running prime95 days.

1.0A @ 1513 w/ default voltage (not wired)
ST6 w/ 8A bios
2 x 256 Crucial PC133 CL2 2-2-2-5/7
GC68 w/ Panalflo L1A & ASII
Retail MALAY pack date 04/03/2002
FPO/BATCH # L214967W

 

[The_Lurker]

Originally posted by: Acts837
-Update on my new 1.0A- Been rock stable @ 1516 (default voltage) running prime95 days.

1.0A @ 1513 w/ default voltage (not wired)
ST6 w/ 8A bios
2 x 256 Crucial PC133 CL2 2-2-2-5/7
GC68 w/ Panalflo L1A & ASII
Retail MALAY pack date 04/03/2002
FPO/BATCH # L214967W

Nice Overclock