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How to win the battle against mass psychosis

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Londo_Jowo said:
So the only news he watches is Fox? Wow I thought only diehard conservatives watched Fox.

As for examples of CNN, NBC (MSNBC), ABC, CBS using fear based reporting to garner support for causes they feel is important all you have to do is watch and listen to their new reports or respective morning shows. All the recent shootings in the past year or so they tried to use to push for moe restrictive gun control laws.
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M: God it's hard to have to constantly respond to you brain defect. The alternative to not watching MSN isn't that he watches Fox News. It is simply that he may not watch it. That is about as simple as an idea can get and you can't get it. It's your brain defect in action.

The only fear that reporting on gun violence produces is your fear that somebody will come for your gun. That is not anything like having a bit more sense in how we sell guns. Real people are dying from guns in many places and the people there want the neighbors to life. Their moral foundations are certainly as good as yours. But you're so delusional with brain defective induced paranoia you can't even see anything.
 
Moonbeam said:
M: God it's hard to have to constantly respond to you brain defect.....
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yack yack yack....whatever. this is more aprpo

Moonbeam said:
Imagine our world invaded by alien pod people who snatched up bodiesand infected their brains. And imagine these aliens thought that they were normal and the rest of us were sick. Now imagine you could see the pods with their tentacles wrapped around their skulls and the holes where they penetrated into the brain. Now imagine that written on the pods were letters that spelled FOX BROADCASTING. How would you save the country from this plague. Remember that any effort to get the brain infected to see the pods would fail.
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that's cool! reminds me of a story about this guy who was bound & determined to help lead his fellow travelers, and was convinced he held the key to that which was required for such a lofty endeavour. after all wasn't his tinfoil hat the height of fashion, didn't his intellectual prowess surpass every adolescent in the village?

so he set out to build his empire. one of the first thoughts that occured to him was that a catchy name would help draw in members. as he was the biological product of his mother and his brother, his reasoning led him to believe that this name should include both an "M" and a "B".

with that in place he began his search. some of the 'M' words he considered using were, macrocephalic (big head), macrotous (big eared), macaronic (mixed up), macies (atrophied-senile type), maggotorium (place wher maggots are bred), maillot (tights worn by ballet dancer), malacophilous (pollinated by snails), mammila (nipple). there were others, but these he felt set the tone for his eventual decision.

for "B" his search was just as diligent. he was determined to possess the most enlightened name that could possibly exist, so on he forged! baculum (penis bone), balanism (use of suppositories), baragouin (unitelligibile language), belonephilia (sexual obsession with sharp objects), and finally, bidenticulate-bifarious-bifid-biduous (having two teeth-organized in two rows-divided in two by a deep split-lasting two days). there were others, but these he felt set the tone for his eventual decision.

the day finally arrived where our soon to be cult leader was to make his decision. he paced, he pondered, he had done his research, but something was still missing. yet he remained convinced the answer was in reach. being unable to finalize this first step he decided to take a break and try latter.

he walked up the basement stairs and knocked on the door leading to his mother's kitchen, "hey mom can i come out of my room please" said our hero. "you know the process, ask your brother" mom replied. hearing the commotion his brother walked over and opened the basement door, "what do you want?" queried the brother/father, "i want to come out, can i please?", "you know the process" his sibling smirked. so our leader turned around, dropped his drawers, bent over and spread his cheeks. "what's that called?" said his bro-pop. "mooning" he sniveled, continuing "why are you beaming so"...

the rest is history
 
Moonbeam said:
M: God it's hard to have to constantly respond to you brain defect. The alternative to not watching MSN isn't that he watches Fox News. It is simply that he may not watch it. That is about as simple as an idea can get and you can't get it. It's your brain defect in action.

The only fear that reporting on gun violence produces is your fear that somebody will come for your gun. That is not anything like having a bit more sense in how we sell guns. Real people are dying from guns in many places and the people there want the neighbors to life. Their moral foundations are certainly as good as yours. But you're so delusional with brain defective induced paranoia you can't even see anything.
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LMAO!!!!! Do you feel better now?
 
cubby1223 said:
If you guys could just stop giving the attention whore his attention, he'll stop whoring.

But you guys don't...
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I offend their egos. They want me silenced just like you do. There must be no mirrors in the world for mass hysterics to see themselves in. Ego is all the conservative brain defective has to hide behind. Now run along and stop paying attention to me by pretending not to. You know your nuts are mine. Or carry on and squeal.
 
Moonbeam is a troll laughing at this forum, and you keep feeding him.

Hardly anyone ever responds to his threads except the same half-dozen people. Just stop and the threads go away.
 
Jaskalas said:
Moonbeam, I'm afraid you did not provide an example of this mass psychosis for us to consider. I find myself at a loss for which subject to discuss.
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Here is an example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torches_of_Freedom

The father of psychological manipulation of the masses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2vC5oqJSZc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

Four hour video that shows how corporations LONG BEFORE FOX news existed used Edward Bernays' methods, nephew of Sigmund Freud, through mostly LIBERAL Hollywood, television, and newspapers to manipulate the masses, at the same time telling people that they chose this and having them believe it.

You know like when the pundits here say corporations are just selling what people want.🙄

Adam Curtis' acclaimed series examines the rise of the all-consuming self against the backdrop of the Freud dynasty.


To many in both politics and business, the triumph of the self is the ultimate expression of democracy, where power has finally moved to the people. Certainly the people may feel they are in charge, but are they really? The Century of the Self tells the untold and sometimes controversial story of the growth of the mass-consumer society in Britain and the United States. How was the all-consuming self created, by whom, and in whose interests?


The Freud dynasty is at the heart of this compelling social history. Sigmund Freud, founder of psychoanalysis; Edward Bernays, who invented public relations; Anna Freud, Sigmund's devoted daughter; and present-day PR guru and Sigmund's great grandson, Matthew Freud.


Sigmund Freud's work into the bubbling and murky world of the subconscious changed the world. By introducing a technique to probe the unconscious mind, Freud provided useful tools for understanding the secret desires of the masses. Unwittingly, his work served as the precursor to a world full of political spin doctors, marketing moguls, and society's belief that the pursuit of satisfaction and happiness is man's ultimate goal.


For the most crucial 2.5 minutes of the astounding Adam Curtis documentary watch
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http://vimeo.com/61857758

Conservatives, FOX news, Rush Limbaugh, etc. are late comers and amateurs to the corporate owned LIBERALS before them that set the stage through the mass media.
 
Moonbeam said:
Liberals believe that rational arguments are persuasive, that to win a political argument you just need to present the facts, but this is false.

Scientists have shown us that conservatives are highly effective in getting their views across and their policies adopted not just because they control major media outlooks and think tanks, but because they have powerful narratives that appeal directly to gut emotions. If liberals don't do the same they will lose.

Liberals need better means to understand the interplay between emotion and reason and ideas developed via psychoanalysis can help.
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I would advise against understanding the nature of the right wing to deeply. That knowing they are simply mad with fear is knowledge enough. There is some evidence like the birds that man has instinct in the very DNA. It is no wonder that large masses of the white races suffer from debilitating peasantry genes. Even the most fantastical fear-mongering has an unbreakable sway over these suffering souls. How else does one explain the absurdities that were Nixon, Reagan, and Bush?

Bush's finest moment was his axis of evil of speech. I would implore everyone to find it again on youtube and just how brilliant he cowed the fear prone masses! Now liberals may not understand why the right wing keeps falling for these high priests of terror, just know at some point for societies sake we as humanity to cut our losses with these people.

If I know the right wing like I think I do, the greatest weapon against them is the embrace of love. This love is a choice between society and their bunkers. Universal healthcare is a embrace of love, many despise that embrace...thus explaining the psychological rebellions of the right wing's very mind! They are destroying themselves, like lemmings from a cliff.

To hasten a just society we need someone to shit in the mouths of the right wing. We need someone to slap them in the face and put them to the yoke. For the right wing understand strength as well as fear. Then and only then will the politics of fear be laid low.
 
Generator said:
I would advise against understanding the nature of the right wing to deeply. That knowing they are simply mad with fear is knowledge enough. There is some evidence like the birds that man has instinct in the very DNA. It is no wonder that large masses of the white races suffer from debilitating peasantry genes. Even the most fantastical fear-mongering has an unbreakable sway over these suffering souls. How else does one explain the absurdities that were Nixon, Reagan, and Bush?

Bush's finest moment was his axis of evil of speech. I would implore everyone to find it again on youtube and just how brilliant he cowed the fear prone masses! Now liberals may not understand why the right wing keeps falling for these high priests of terror, just know at some point for societies sake we as humanity to cut our losses with these people.

If I know the right wing like I think I do, the greatest weapon against them is the embrace of love. This love is a choice between society and their bunkers. Universal healthcare is a embrace of love, many despise that embrace...thus explaining the psychological rebellions of the right wing's very mind! They are destroying themselves, like lemmings from a cliff.

To hasten a just society we need someone to shit in the mouths of the right wing. We need someone to slap them in the face and put them to the yoke. For the right wing understand strength as well as fear. Then and only then will the politics of fear be laid low.
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Sieg Heil!
 
Moonbeam said:
Depression is the suppression of rage. I would check to see if that isn't the driver of your thoughts. It's deeper in beneath the rage you'll see your sadness and below that where you've hidden love. Kill the bad mother by loving her.
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You need to read a book once in a while.
Depressed people are more objective and better and solving real world problems.
 
IronWing said:
WRT Obamacare, liberals are upset that no liberal policies were implemented in the legislation.

As far as Moonie's OP goes, tribalism and identity politics are the issues, not mass psychosis. Conservatives vote against their own self interests to support their team.
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Both sides vote against their own interest to support their team.
 
Moonbeam said:
I did. One of them is the mass psychosis on the left that Business is evil. At least two others were mentioned. They were in the link.
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It is a perfectly valid argument to say such of corporate boards, and others publicly owned by investors whose only purpose is to milk it for what it's worth. I've seen many a good product destroyed by such "evil". The left, though excessive, is not far from the truth in that regard.

My riff on the link was to lay out an attitude liberals can operate under that can win, to appeal emotionally to the best in people instead of playing on their fears and how difficult that is to do because any talk of the positive brings up people's self hate. But the deepest truth remains the fact that everybody was born good and everybody can learn to see that in others. Close the door to fear and open the door to love for the sake of humanity. Simple really.
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I see... So politics is rife with psychosis and we need to find a means to address it?

If you just want people to stick to a positive and uplifting message, the problem in politics is that tearing down your opponent is effective. The public eats up negative messaging. What can we do, pass a law against free speech, no more fear mongering campaigns, don't speak badly or negatively about others?

Could pledge to be a member of some pact / group which vows to adhere to this, without it becoming the letter of the law. Not sure you'd get very far, or be very effective.
 
shortylickens said:
You need to read a book once in a while.
Depressed people are more objective and better and solving real world problems.
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Oh I did. It told me to never trust anything written in books and it was authoritative.

As for the depressed being more objective and good at solving real world problems I really can't argue against. I used to be black with depression. I lost my belief in everything I held precious. I knew that my life would never ever again be happy, that if I stayed alive I would live in endless loneliness and despair. I gave up on the notion there were answers, that I was more objective or that I could solve anything. I just let go asking why why why and it all ended suddenly. The moment I completely surrendered I won. I didn't do a thing. The truth was always all my life there but only when I am not. You are not who you think you are. This message of hope is brought to you from the beyond.
 
Jaskalas said:
It is a perfectly valid argument to say such of corporate boards, and others publicly owned by investors whose only purpose is to milk it for what it's worth. I've seen many a good product destroyed by such "evil". The left, though excessive, is not far from the truth in that regard.



I see... So politics is rife with psychosis and we need to find a means to address it?

If you just want people to stick to a positive and uplifting message, the problem in politics is that tearing down your opponent is effective. The public eats up negative messaging. What can we do, pass a law against free speech, no more fear mongering campaigns, don't speak badly or negatively about others?

Could pledge to be a member of some pact / group which vows to adhere to this, without it becoming the letter of the law. Not sure you'd get very far, or be very effective.
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Think of it as a war between good and evil. From which side do you feel the call. From which side do you want to make your appeal. What is your aim and why? Do you want to bring people up or do you want to win at any cost? From whence does life draw meaning?
 
Londo_Jowo said:
So the only news he watches is Fox? Wow I thought only diehard conservatives watched Fox.

As for examples of CNN, NBC (MSNBC), ABC, CBS using fear based reporting to garner support for causes they feel is important all you have to do is watch and listen to their new reports or respective morning shows. All the recent shootings in the past year or so they tried to use to push for moe restrictive gun control laws.
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I would guess more liberals watch FOX than conservatives. It's where liberals get their daily rage.
 
Moonbeam said:
Think of it as a war between good and evil. From which side do you feel the call. From which side do you want to make your appeal. What is your aim and why? Do you want to bring people up or do you want to win at any cost? From whence does life draw meaning?
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It's not a war between good and evil, that's extremist thinking and leads too extremist solutions. This thinking is based in the belief that your way of thinking is not only infallible, but beyond question. I would steadfastly oppose such thinking even f I agreed with the ideas.
 
Greenman said:
It's not a war between good and evil, that's extremist thinking and leads too extremist solutions. This thinking is based in the belief that your way of thinking is not only infallible, but beyond question. I would steadfastly oppose such thinking even f I agreed with the ideas.
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A very good point. My point was directed at a particular person who seemed to have no feel for the power of high moral standards to have any power of persuasion. I asked him which side he would choose to be on using an analogy he might understand. You have uncovered a paranoia that fittingly goes with fanatical belief. The question I would ask you is whether the highest morality could admit to fanaticism.
 
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