How to win elections in a Blue State

PJABBER

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The "progressives" and community organizers were clearly surprised by Scott Brown's victory in Massachusetts this past January.

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They were determined not to be put out of office come November, they were determined to win at all costs.

The faith of the electorate in the sanctity of the ballot box seems to be the price that was paid.

Massive Voting Fraud Reported in Massachusetts

Community organizing group Neighbor to Neighbor was seen violating laws at numerous polling sites, with the apparent blessing of the poll-watchers.

November 9, 2010 - by Martin Solomon
…General Law chapter 54, section 65 prohibits within 150 feet of a polling location, among other things, the posting, exhibition, circulation, or distribution of material — including pasters, stickers, posters, cards, handbills, placards, pictures or circulars — intended to influence the action of the voter. G. L. 54, 65 (2002 ed.). Consistent with the activities restricted by statute, the implementing regulations prohibit the solicitation of votes for or against, or any other form of promotion or opposition of, any person or political party or position on a ballot question, to be voted on at the current election. 950 C.M.R. 54.04(22)(d). Accordingly, a person standing within 150 feet of a polling location, including observers in the polling location, may not: hold any campaign sign; hand any person literature intended to influence the voter’s action at the polls; wear any campaign buttons or identifying signage; solicit a person’s vote for or against a candidate or question on the ballot; or, distribute stickers ….

– From “Election Day Legal Summary,” Massachusetts Secretary of State’s Office

The ballot box is one of American democracy’s secular sacred spaces, where the fact that you voted may be public, but whom you voted for is your own private business.

Unless, that is, you happen to be in one of the low-income communities targeted for “help” from the community organizers of Neighbor to Neighbor Massachusetts, where individuals may just need a little extra guidance to ensure they vote the correct way.

While conservatives in most of the rest of the country woke up to a celebration last Wednesday, those of us marooned in Massachusetts found ourselves left high and dry by a red wave that didn’t have quite enough oomph to overcome the leftist machine our home state is so infamous for. In spite of a number of good candidates and a palpable level of Republican voter enthusiasm, most of the races weren’t even close. Many pundits have ascribed this surprising finish in large part to the effectiveness of the organized get out the vote effort that the Democrat establishment, along with their community organizer and union allies, were able to bring to bear. Even the best and most well-funded candidates versus the most scandal-ridden incumbents are hard-pressed to overcome the extra percentage points this structure is able to set into gear on election day.

In general, this problem is a political one. As long as the requisite laws are obeyed, fair enough. We can debate the matter, try to bring a level of fairness to the system, and make an effort to expose the excesses while our side tries to do better next time.

But what if existing laws and mores were, in fact, violated? That’s where what went on at the polls on Tuesday comes in. I have heard from multiple poll watchers who noted apparent or possible irregularities at the voting places they were stationed, and Neighbor to Neighbor Massachusetts takes center stage.

A Neighbor to Neighbor interpreter “assists” a voter with a bilingual ballot.

Neighbor to Neighbor describes itself thusly:
Neighbor to Neighbor Massachusetts is a progressive organization of working class, multi-racial, and multi-ethnic people working together to build political and economic power to improve the quality of lives in our communities. As members, we lead the change ourselves through education & training, issue & electoral organizing, policy advocacy, alliance building, community-controlled economic development, and holding decision-makers accountable.

We seek to create a powerful movement for economic and social justice that builds a participatory and responsive democracy to transform people’s lives and the political and economic structures that impact them.
You get the drill. Needless to say, N2N declared VICTORY! following the election day’s results. What went into it? Let’s hear from some witnesses:
Attached is a photo I took when a Neighbor to Neighbor organizer escorted a voter into the booth as an “interpreter” [See above]. Funny; the ballots were bi-lingual so I didn’t see the need for an interpreter. She was coaching voters to vote all “D’s” and on a few occasions she actually had the pen in her hand.

I was almost kicked out by the police officer who was sitting in the room when I took this photo but I told him I’d be more cooperative and sat back down. Soon after this photo the Baker legal team [Charles Baker, Republican candidate for governor] was able to convince the warden and the officer that this woman was not allowed to escort any more voters to the booths. She quickly changed tactics and started sending people in with a sample ballot filled out so the voter would just copy it. Incredible!


If you look closely at the photo, the Neighbor to Neighbor logo is a big fish eating a little fish.

The big fish is a collection of dozens of little fish. I asked one of the organizers who was poll watching as well (that’s another story), what the logo meant and she said it represented the “people” eating people like you. I responded that the logo to me more aptly represented all of us together as Americans eating the government. She did not respond; go figure.

This Neighbor to Neighbor team was a combination of a local leader who knew everybody and some out of state help to bang on doors and coordinate driving people to the polls. They are very good at what they do.
Another writes:
These “interpreters” were certainly the call of the day. At the location I was working, the “interpreter” was a priest — or some cat with a priest collar on from a church that sounded anything but sacred. I reported him numerous times to the two wardens who did talk to him, but argued with me about him being an interpreter. I informed them that typically interpreters don’t talk with their hands unless they’re in the deaf community. And they usually don’t need polling pens, to interpret, either. I also mentioned that the ballots were bilingual except for the names that were all over the TV, radio, lawn signs, etc. for the past year. None of this seemed to impart any wisdom on the wardens.
A particularly exasperated volunteer vented shortly after the election:
This voter fraud clearly was the same scene all over Worcester. We shut them down at my polling place halfway through the day. ACORN, Neighbor to Neighbor, what have you, it should just be stopped. We do not have elections in Massachusetts, we have a game where the rules only apply to the honest and the Dems look the other way or maybe they even support it. … It says right on [N2N's] website “they” register people to vote and “they” have them sign a pledge contract to vote. I sat next to a Lawyer for the Democrat party all day — he did nothing but justify why all the fraud [I witnessed was] actually legally OK. I think he was there to ensure crimes were committed but would go unpunished! He referred to it as ensuring all deserving of a vote got one.

…The machine for the visually impaired speaks Spanish, no help needed. … I saw food exchange hands in return for the vote. Collecting people at the food pantry, posting ballots on car windshields. … Ballots prefilled out brought in as guides to voting, helpers actually voting for the person. One person — I am sure a “helper” — voted at least 20 times!
Apparently, mental incompetency is no hurdle to voting in Massachusetts. Another outraged observer writes:
The name “Neighbor to Neighbor” was frequently mentioned by those coming in, especially while irregularities and outright fraud were occurring.

When I objected to a woman voting for her “son” (he appeared to be mentally handicapped) and her “daughter” who I was told was deaf, the “inspector” who I sat near said I was discriminating when I explained there is a reason 10-year-olds don’t vote! [I saw] the woman filling in the ballot and then telling the “son” to pick up the ballot and follow her — he needed help to feed it into the box as well. The young man stood helpless while she showed the “daughter” how to vote. He stood within two feet of me and was clearly unable to communicate when the somewhat deaf poll worker asked him his name as they came in as a family, and there was much confusion at the time as a large group came in at once.

Numerous times I saw the warden “point to” (clearly indicating by touching) the ballot, [showing people] how to vote — she would use the excuse they needed an interpreter though the ballot had a Spanish translation.

Several men who were checked off by the union list keeper (Originally I thought this was a Democratic poll watcher but the afternoon list keeper explained to me his list was for something else and it was clearly different … the carpenter’s union fellow — union jacket, shaved head with triangle hair design and earring — came in several times to check this list and take it or review it with someone outside. He took it with him in late afternoon) asked for specific direction over and over again from the warden, who took them to another booth away from me to better instruct them.

I watched one woman look to her neighbor for advice clearly asking how she should vote.

There was a generally loud atmosphere in the room (the warden was playing music videos on her computer). The concept of a secret ballot or competency seemed to exist only in my head.

At least 30 people voted on old addresses, several brought in IDs that the poll taker kept completely hidden and handed back without their voicing their name or address.

One fellow kept checking in with the warden on his progress. “I got all the calls made, now I am going door to door and everywhere I can to get them in here.” Shortly after this I saw older people coming in with hot food trays (foil wrapped in plastic bags) … .
The ACORN scandal has brought the shenanigans perpetrated by professional community organizing groups to the forefront of public consciousness. From what I have been able to determine so far, Neighbor to Neighbor Massachusetts, at least, does not receive public funding — something that, as with ACORN, would add another layer of outrage to this already outrageous story.

The matter nevertheless calls for further investigation, both to make sure this group is not receiving such funding, and to see just which foundations and unions — from which the group receives the bulk of its money — are supporting it, though the story we know is disturbing enough.

A secret ballot, free from manipulation, coercion, and abuse is a sine qua non of American participatory democracy. You and I should not have our votes nullified because there is a group out there bending and breaking the rules in their zeal to hammer their own agenda through at the polls.

Is 150 feet of honor and respect for the franchise really so much to ask?
 
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fskimospy

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Post a link that is not partisan propaganda

Maybe you should heed your own advice.

Pajamas media eh? Surely a reputable source! I wonder how their foreign correspondent Joe the Plumber is doing!

The sad part is that I was making a joke when you requested that of me, in this case you actually appear to be serious. What is wrong with you?
 

PJABBER

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Maybe you should heed your own advice.

Pajamas media eh? Surely a reputable source! I wonder how their foreign correspondent Joe the Plumber is doing!

The sad part is that I was making a joke when you requested that of me, in this case you actually appear to be serious. What is wrong with you?

And I said that it would be more useful to focus on the substance of the OP than waste time attacking the publisher, as most of the publishers are compendiums rather than originators of the stories themselves.

PM is one of dozens that published the story originally found here.

How about if we consider who the actual author is?

Martin Solomon

I was born, grew-up and live in the Boston area. I'm a long time liberal and son of liberals. A perennial voter for the Democratic Party. A Reagan-hater and two-time Clinton voter. Somewhere along the line, something happened, however.

I became one of those people, like David Horowitz, who began to have "second thoughts." (Does that make me a "neo-con?") This blog is the product of those thoughts. It's a way to sort of make notes to myself and maybe vent a bit about the things I read. If others would like to stop by and get something out of it, so much the better.

What triggered the change? I'm sure in great measure it's the typical story - 9/11. My second thoughts had already begun, but I may not have felt the push to put up a web page if it were not for that date. I started noticing, more than ever, the anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism so prominent in much of the world and wanted to start speaking out about it. As a secular American Jew, I've never felt any drive to trumpet my ethnic background - quite the opposite. But, as a self-identifying secular American Jew, I do not run from it. I started to realize that I needed to be one of the people speaking out and putting my voice behind the things I believed in, even if only in a very small way, like through this page. If you'd like to get a sense of where I'm coming from, you can read about what I think.
By the way, do you recall how the term "pajamas media" came about?

Pajamas Media's name is derived from a dismissive comment made by former news executive vice-president Jonathan Klein of CBS during the Killian documents affair involving then-CBS anchorman Dan Rather in the fall of 2004: "You couldn't have a starker contrast between the multiple layers of checks and balances at 60 Minutes and a guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas".
LOL!

I don't always read blogs, but when I do I prefer Pajamas Media, among others -

Pajamas Media, which began in 2005 as an affiliation of some of the most influential weblogs on the Internet, has significantly expanded its reach over the years.

The PJM Portal now provides exclusive news and opinion 24/7 with correspondents in over forty countries. Its distinguished line-up of XpressBloggers is widely respected for their punditry. Pajamas Media also has its own weekly show on Sirius satellite radio – PJM Political.

In September 2008, Pajamas Media debuted its own online television network – PJTV – that broadcasts daily from studios in Los Angeles, Washington DC, New York, Denver, Knoxville and Tel Aviv.
 

IBMer

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The right keeps on claiming voter fraud everytime, but it never seems to be proven. Do you not think there aren't people out there that would be working their hardest to prove it if it indeed had any sort of credible proof with it at all. Do you think it would be such a shrug off issue everytime if there was any link to it being real?
 

Throckmorton

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Yes, when poor people vote it's voter fraud, because poor people aren't really legitimate citizens in your eyes.
 

fskimospy

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It's the perennial cry of the right, and it's as fact free as ever. You can ask them as many times as you want why, despite repeated investigations and studies, no evidence of wide scale voter fraud has been found. You can ask them why Bush's justice department, after being tasked with uncovering and prosecuting it, could barely find any to prosecute. They never have answers for this.

A rational person would conclude that all this evidence means that voter fraud isn't a significant issue. People who get their information from Pajamas Media probably just think this is further evidence of a librul conspiracy.

Then again, it's PJABBER. Do you really need any more explanation than that? He has never learned the difference between fantasy and reality.
 

PJABBER

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The right keeps on claiming voter fraud everytime, but it never seems to be proven. Do you not think there aren't people out there that would be working their hardest to prove it if it indeed had any sort of credible proof with it at all. Do you think it would be such a shrug off issue everytime if there was any link to it being real?

Everytime? Your contention is that there is no voter fraud?

I don't like that the OP does not name the names of the people that are being quoted. However, with the way this story is going viral we might be able to track down the specifics in more detail.

I know that most poll watching rules do not allow cameras or direct challenges. Sometimes the only way to address issues is by means of a public recounting.

Perhaps we might see the poll judges hold to the standard they swear to uphold if they are put under a microscope.

This is a breaking story. Time will show how accurate the story is and how prevalent the problem is. But isn't that the way of all news? :awe:
 
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manimal

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There is some voter registration fruad... Vote fraud on the other hand has been actually found how many times in the last 20 years? 5-10?


Parrot on parrot...
 

Phokus

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If you want real actually voter fraud, look no further than the GOP, who actually go to jail for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_New_Hampshire_Senate_election_phone_jamming_scandal

Best thing is, the GOP tried to blame the officials as 'rogue operatives', even though they were paying for their defense.

Allen Raymond was sentenced to five months in federal prison on February 8, 2005, for his role. A month later, Charles McGee received seven months. James Tobin refused to cooperate with investigators as his trial approached. During Tobin's trial, questions arose about the source of the money involved in funding the phone jamming and his defense.

In July, the Union Leader reported that one of Tobin's attorneys told the court he was representing the defendant in his capacity as an employee of the Republican National Committee (RNC).[12] Since the RNC had stated that Tobin was acting on his own in a rogue operation, it was asked, why would they be paying for his defense?

In August, the RNC finally confirmed that it had spent more than $722,000 for Tobin's defense by the Washington firm of Williams & Connolly. "This support is based on his assurance and our belief that Jim has not engaged in any wrongdoing," a spokesperson told the Associated Press.[13] The Union Leader reported in February 2006 that the RNC had paid $1.7 million to Williams on the day Tobin was sentenced, for a total of $2.5 million, and would neither confirm nor deny that it was still paying his legal expenses.[14] The RNC's first financial report of 2006 indicated that it by then spent another $330,000.[15] Later that year, Tobin's wife was hired by the NRSC as a consultant on the unsuccessful re-election campaign of Rhode Island senator Lincoln Chafee, as Northeast Strategies, a company that listed the Tobins' home as its main address. Despite her lack of any previous experience, she was paid at $300,000.[16]
 
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EagleKeeper

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Yet the New Black Panther group was not prosecuted i Philli for voter intimidation.
 

PJABBER

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If you want real actually voter fraud, look no further than the GOP, who actually go to jail for it.

How is that voter fraud?

You cite a case where a GOTV effort had it's phone lines jammed and the case was adjudicated under a state telephone-harassment statute.

The OP claims active manipulation of the vote at various polling places.
 

Phokus

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How is that voter fraud?

You cite a case where a GOTV effort had it's phone lines jammed and the case was adjudicated under a state telephone-harassment statute.

The OP claims active manipulation of the vote at various polling places.

CLAIMS. This is a case where several people were convicted and sent to prison. Jamming phone lines of an organization is that is trying to register people to vote affects how many go to vote.
 

IBMer

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How is that voter fraud?

You cite a case where a GOTV effort had it's phone lines jammed and the case was adjudicated under a state telephone-harassment statute.

The OP claims active manipulation of the vote at various polling places.

I don't see you touting about that one district where there are 70k registered voters with an average of 70 percent voter turnout everytime only ordered 21k voting slips and turned people away. Who was in charge of said place? A republican.

Vote Manipulation is always heavily touted by republicans every year and yet, you don't ever see actual facts coming out about it later.
 

PJABBER

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CLAIMS. This is a case where several people were convicted and sent to prison. Jamming phone lines of an organization is that is trying to register people to vote affects how many go to vote.

From your own reference link -

The tampering involved using a call center to jam the phone lines of a Get Out the Vote (GOTV) operation. In the end, 900 calls were made for 45 minutes of disruption to the Democrat-leaning call centers.
Not the same thing, but good that this "dirty tricks" effort resulted in some convictions.

As to your contention that the OP is just a series of "CLAIMS," you are right. Nothing is proven yet, the poll watchers quoted making the claims are not identified by name and we have not even seen any indictments.

The "CLAIMS," however, are quite serious if true and, unlike your reference, would actually constitute vote fraud.

The "if true" still has to be proven. Would you support a close look at the way business was conducted in Massachusetts? Or are you inclined to dismiss or excuse this as it does not serve your partisan purposes?
 

PJABBER

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I don't see you touting about that one district where there are 70k registered voters with an average of 70 percent voter turnout everytime only ordered 21k voting slips and turned people away. Who was in charge of said place? A republican.

Wasn't that covered in another thread? Hard to believe that the partisan Dems here would not jump at every opportunity to bash a Republican's ineptitude, much less possible malfeasance.

Vote Manipulation is always heavily touted by republicans every year and yet, you don't ever see actual facts coming out about it later.
I consider it a very serious thing no matter who makes the claim. And it is claimed by both sides! :awe:

Perhaps this is a special case worth referring to the Vote Fraud Division at DOJ?
 

Phokus

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From your own reference link -

Not the same thing, but good that this "dirty tricks" effort resulted in some convictions.

As to your contention that the OP is just a series of "CLAIMS," you are right. Nothing is proven yet, the poll watchers quoted making the claims are not identified by name and we have not even seen any indictments.

The "CLAIMS," however, are quite serious if true and, unlike your reference, would actually constitute vote fraud.

The "if true" still has to be proven. Would you support a close look at the way business was conducted in Massachusetts? Or are you inclined to dismiss or excuse this as it does not serve your partisan purposes?

The intent and result are the same thing (to prevent democratic call centers in getting people interested in voting for their candidates).

Republicans like to claim voter fraud without much proof because in almost all cases, these 'stories' come from minority districts and minorities are the biggest threat to the GOP.

See: Voter caging controversies where the GOP try to block voters from minority districts from voting.
 

PJABBER

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Republicans like to claim voter fraud without much proof because in almost all cases, these 'stories' come from minority districts and minorities are the biggest threat to the GOP.

Places like Worcester are not enclaves for African Americans (7&#37; of the population there, even if it is the second or third largest city in New England.)

The OP does not identify racial identity at all - he does say the targeting seems to be low-income neighborhoods and the mentally and functionally incompetent. Natural constituencies of the Dems?

It is more likely that if the masses of liberal/union populations were not going to turn out as needed, "Neighbor to Neighbor" had to make sure that those who did come out to vote, actually did vote the Dem way this time around.
 
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Yes, when poor people vote it's voter fraud, because poor people aren't really legitimate citizens in your eyes.

So what you are saying is poor people are all idiots and need help voting and only Democrat/Liberal groups are allowed to help.
That is typical of the liberal mentality. Everyone is to stupid to fend for themselves thus they need to be hand held at every step of the way.
 
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The intent and result are the same thing (to prevent democratic call centers in getting people interested in voting for their candidates).

Republicans like to claim voter fraud without much proof because in almost all cases, these 'stories' come from minority districts and minorities are the biggest threat to the GOP.

See: Voter caging controversies where the GOP try to block voters from minority districts from voting.

Well to be fair, it is a threat to the GOP and more conservative people, becaues the more Liberals we have in office the more taxes are going to go up on the people that have jobs.
If you have a whole bunch of poor people voting, they will vote the money right out of the not poors wallets.
 

Craig234

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Well to be fair, it is a threat to the GOP and more conservative people, becaues the more Liberals we have in office the more taxes are going to go up on the people that have jobs.

Funny enough, I have a question for you.

Let me confess up front the point is to expose you as not dealing with reality.

Under the all-Democratically controlled government 2009-today, taxes on 'the people that have jobs' have:

1. Gone up
2. Gone down

Why would I expect you to get this wrong? Well, for one things, polls of Republicans show a large majority of them do.

Do you know the Democrats passed 'one of the biggest tax cuts in history', if not the biggest?

Here's a link to a random web commentator with a nice summary, you can use the link in his comments to the Wall Street Journal.

Now, they can be attacked for tax cuts in a time of deficits, but that wasn't your point.

http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2009/02/is-obamas-tax-cut-the-biggest.html
 

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a week later this comes out? keep digging, and lol @ some place called pajamas media
 

EagleKeeper

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Funny enough, I have a question for you.

Let me confess up front the point is to expose you as not dealing with reality.

Under the all-Democratically controlled government 2009-today, taxes on 'the people that have jobs' have:

1. Gone up
2. Gone down

Why would I expect you to get this wrong? Well, for one things, polls of Republicans show a large majority of them do.

Do you know the Democrats passed 'one of the biggest tax cuts in history', if not the biggest?

Here's a link to a random web commentator with a nice summary, you can use the link in his comments to the Wall Street Journal.

Now, they can be attacked for tax cuts in a time of deficits, but that wasn't your point.

http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2009/02/is-obamas-tax-cut-the-biggest.html

And they also set in motion one of the biggest wealth transfers from the working class to the underclass.
 

Lemon law

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Here silly me, I thought this thread was about how a republican wins in a blue state.

And its widely conceded Joe Brown was a charismatic candidate running against a democrat who simply did not do a good job connecting with voters. As for the Joe Brown conservative campaign stance against Federal health care, that partly did not alienate liberals because Massachusetts had an excellent State based plan.

And when Joe Brown hit Washington, he was temporarily the GOP darling when he voted GOP on health care. And very next vote, his GOP shining luster dimmed quite a bit when he did not vote GOP.

But trust PJIBBERISH to reach way out into some right field garbage dump to find a some phony baloney reason Joe Brown won.
 

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Here silly me, I thought this thread was about how a republican wins in a blue state.

And its widely conceded Joe Brown was a charismatic candidate running against a democrat who simply did not do a good job connecting with voters. As for the Joe Brown conservative campaign stance against Federal health care, that partly did not alienate liberals because Massachusetts had an excellent State based plan.

And when Joe Brown hit Washington, he was temporarily the GOP darling when he voted GOP on health care. And very next vote, his GOP shining luster dimmed quite a bit when he did not vote GOP.

But trust PJIBBERISH to reach way out into some right field garbage dump to find a some phony baloney reason Joe Brown won.


You might want to go back and ask your Iranian handlers if it's 'Joe' or 'Scott' Brown. I'm sure. They'll lay blame on typos in the jihad pamphlets.