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How to use 911

Bateluer

Bateluer

Lifer
http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-911-calls-sacramento-arrest-20110728,0,1539612.story

California Highway Patrol dispatchers in Sacramento say Jennifer Arguellas called them more than 2100 times in the month of June. The conversations weren't about anything in particular.

Dispatcher: "911 emergency, what are you reporting?"

Jennifer: "I'm very, very sorry to bother you but, faxes are, faxes have month, date, year. somebody set the time it is"

Dispatcher: "Jennifer, is this you?"
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Yeah, when the Dispatcher calls you by name, you're probably over using the system.
 
Red Squirrel said:
Wow what an idiot. Glad she was charged. This is totally careless and plain stupid.
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Yeah she is mentally ill and she's not getting the help she needs. Her brother posted a comment on the story.

Punishing her won't do anything, and she's not any more of an idiot than anyone else with a mental illness.
 
I wonder what's more expensive - 2,100 911 calls or getting this lady the mental help paid by the state.

But we are broke, so there it is.
 
We are outsourcing so many jobs... its really time to start outsourcing our prisoners... believe me once someone serves time in China India or Mexico, come back and shares their story with their fellow Americans.. Crime rates will drop faster than the stock market of October 2008
 
the system is fucking broken if this lady isn't under some sort of care, and that it took so long and so many calls for someone to finally do something about this. and their solution is to send her to jail. that's smart...
 
AstroManLuca said:
Yeah she is mentally ill and she's not getting the help she needs. Her brother posted a comment on the story.

Punishing her won't do anything, and she's not any more of an idiot than anyone else with a mental illness.
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You are right... Her brother is an idiot for not getting her the help she needs.
 
AstroManLuca said:
Yeah she is mentally ill and she's not getting the help she needs. Her brother posted a comment on the story.

Punishing her won't do anything, and she's not any more of an idiot than anyone else with a mental illness.
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Time for some behavioral conditioning. If every time she calls 911 she gets shot with a taser, she'll probably stop doing it.
 
DesiPower said:
We are outsourcing so many jobs... its really time to start outsourcing our prisoners... believe me once someone serves time in China India or Mexico, come back and shares their story with their fellow Americans.. Crime rates will drop faster than the stock market of October 2008
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I do think prisoners should be forced to do labor work. Companies keep saying it's too expensive to manufacture stuff here? Why not get the prisoners to do it! You still have to pay for the factories and equipment, but the labor would be practically free.
 
pcgeek11 said:
You are right... Her brother is an idiot for not getting her the help she needs.
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Hello, All,

Jen is my sister and yes, she is seriously mentally ill since the age of about 25 when her illness set in. She suffers from Manic Depression. We are doing all we can to keep her in check but the laws for the mentally ill prevent us from even deciding where she lives or compel her to take her medications. We have tried time and again to get her to the hospital's lock ward until she is stabilized enough to live in a group home where she is now; but because Jen is not "legally conserved," the hospital will not take her on our request. Also, since she's on medical, the revolving door of physicians doesn't allow for real follow up and she is often misdiagnosed or just doped up to keep quiet.

Prior to her illness, she graduated with honors (4.2GPA), attended UCB and Sorbonne. She was one of the most beautiful, funny, kind-hearted, loving, easy-going girls you would have come to know. Loved to play basketball, dance ballet, etc. Our father died broken hearted.

So Willy Jensen... I'm not sure how to respond to your comment. Years of meds are slowing killing her organs, anyway, so you'll get your wish soon enough.

Signed, "Sissy-Girl" (Jen's per name for me)
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Thank you for the information, BatCookie and BlackDove. When Jen appears in court, she appears "lucid" enough so the judge will NOT conserve her. This 911 situation is a new one. As mentioned, she currently lives in a group home. She should still be in a HOSPITAL LOCKED UNIT. She's been "manic" for months but due to budget cuts, she was released before she was stabilized. It takes weeks for the meds to be absorbed in the system. When she "runs away" and appears at a family member's door, we call the police and request they take her to the hospital and they WON'T, despite her history. Yelling, calling family, etc is not considered as a "5150" - danger to herself or others. Her social worker compels her to check herself in - you can't force her because you would be violating her rights, etc, etc. It's been a losing battle with the legal system and faced with potential violation of her civil rights - and Jen will play on this - judges, police, workers, shrink from doing anything.
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Looks like he is doing all that is legally possible.
 
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Two major problems here.
1. It is unfortunate, but the legal requirement to take away a persons rights often leaves the mentally ill untreated. For me to involuntarily commit someone, I must prove that they are a immediate danger to themselves or others. That does not include refusal to take her medicine. And even if we do commit someone for psychiatric evaluation, after that evaluation there is little we can do to make someone continue their medications. Committing someone to a long term forced psychiatric incarceration is severe and often requires a judge to declare someone permanently incompetent.
2. She is on public assistance/medicaid - In the ER we have to accept it but most physician who can choose not to. Could you imagine getting paid $6 for a $200 bill. If a physician saw only medicaid patient, he would be getting about $24/hr and have to pay about $50/hr for staff and expenses. Therefore the only physician who accept it must be very bad physicians (still subsidizing somehow) and those subsidized by hospital systems and the government. How do we in the ER cover it, well by charging you, insured and uninsured patients, more than we would otherwise.

If you think that is bad. Most of the expenses of any major ER can be linked to but a few repeat patients. Often ones that have no coverage what-so-ever and no intention to pay will come to the ER, racking up billions of dollars anually for care that was either unnecessary or could be delivered at a 10th of the cost. The average drunk is deposited in our ER, which costs the hospital about $2000 per stay. Some may return 30-40 times a year. And on average an ER will house one drunk per night for every 50 patients they see. We average about 2/day, thats about 1 million dollars a year in unreimbursed care for intoxicated individuals for our ER (census about 35000patients/yr)
 
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mattpegher said:
Two major problems here.
1. It is unfortunate, but the legal requirement to take away a persons rights often leaves the mentally ill untreated. For me to involuntarily commit someone, I must prove that they are a immediate danger to themselves or others. That does not include refusal to take her medicine. And even if we do commit someone for psychiatric evaluation, after that evaluation there is little we can do to make someone continue their medications. Committing someone to a long term forced psychiatric incarceration is severe and often requires a judge to declare someone permanently incompetent.
2. She is on public assistance/medicaid - In the ER we have to accept it but most physician who can choose not to. Could you imagine getting paid $6 for a $200 bill. If a physician saw only medicaid patient, he would be getting about $24/hr and have to pay about $50/hr for staff and expenses. Therefore the only physician who accept it must be very bad physicians (still subsidizing somehow) and those subsidized by hospital systems and the government. How do we in the ER cover it, well by charging you, insured and uninsured patients, more than we would otherwise.

If you think that is bad. Most of the expenses of any major ER can be linked to but a few repeat patients. Often ones that have no coverage what-so-ever and no intention to pay will come to the ER, racking up billions of dollars anually for care that was either unnecessary or could be delivered at a 10th of the cost. The average drunk is deposited in our ER, which costs the hospital about $2000 per stay. Some may return 30-40 times a year. And one average an ER will house one drunk per night for every 50 patients they see. We average about 2/day, thats about 1 million dollars a year in unreimbursed care for intoxicated individuals for our ER (census about 35000patients/yr)
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well explain to me how you get your $2000 per drunk and I'll tell you what the problem is
 
Red Squirrel said:
I do think prisoners should be forced to do labor work. Companies keep saying it's too expensive to manufacture stuff here? Why not get the prisoners to do it! You still have to pay for the factories and equipment, but the labor would be practically free.
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1) Build up a portion of the economy on cheap prisoner labor.
2) Crime rates start to drop.
3) Influential companies benefiting from this cheap labor apply pressure to government to "acquire" additional labor.
4) Parking in a winter emergency route = 90 days of cheap labor.


The history of labor in this country, as well as the history of our species, has shown that people will quite readily abuse the basic rigts of others for their own gain. For god's sake, we needed to have laws put into place to make slavery illegal.
 
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slayer202 said:
well explain to me how you get your $2000 per drunk and I'll tell you what the problem is
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Ok, So if 120 people come to the ER per day, and lets assume they all have insurance. Each of them would have to pay an extra $33, to cover the "bar-tab" of two drunks. Now we both know that not everyone that came in had insurance or any intention of paying. Lets say 95% of those 120 had insurance, and the remaining 6 patients only cost $500 (on ave) to see then we are spreading $7000, amongst 114 patients for an additional 61 dollars. Lets remember I am only talking cost not charges, but resources used, nurses paid. And I am not even counting the physicians costs in any of this, these numbers are just what the hospital has to spend to provide the care.
 
slayer202 said:
again, tell me how a drunk coming in costs the hospital $2000
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The average drunk cannot leave the ER on his own until he is sober (under BAL of 100mg/dl or 0.1) Most come in at about 350, some as high as 500. The alcohol level decrease at about 20/hour so for average drunk at 350 that means 12 hours of hospital care. 12 hours of nurse care, which will cost at least $400. They will require, a team of security to monitor and secure for about another $300 for 12 hours. Tests to make sure they are safe and to obtain BAL will cost another $500 to run. Utilities, janitorial and other cost. Often medication to prevent WD symptoms, and I am sure I am missing other things. (I dont do the numbers)
You don't spend 12 hours in an ER and not cost someone something.
 
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