How to "unlid" your athlon 64

[phr0m]

the ihs is copper cored so the heat spreads out evenly on it so you would need to cover the entire ihs with thermal past. If you do remove your ihs and want to put it back on (for addaded core pertection) i would highly suggest lapping the ihs and putting as5 on the core and removing amd standerd crap that is inbetween the ihs and core. lap the ihs down until teh copper shows and you should be seeing better temps

 

[Avalon]

Nice job with the pictured guide. It makes me want to give it a try on my Venice, but I can't afford to kill it

Are there HSFs that are known to be compatible with IHS-less chips without any modification?

 

[BW86]

nice guide :thumbsup:

 

[phr0m]

here are some heatsinks that would work:
zalman
tt big typhoon
ZALMAN CNPS9500
these are just a few of the aircooled heatsinks that will work with a "naked" cpu

almost any "big" heatsink will work with a removed ihs becuase a lot of the new heatsinks require you to either remove the backplate or the cpu bracket and use the screw to directly put into the back plate

 

[Inappropriate4AT]

Originally posted by: Avalon
Nice job with the pictured guide. It makes me want to give it a try on my Venice, but I can't afford to kill it

Are there HSFs that are known to be compatible with IHS-less chips without any modification?

The 3 I've heard work without any modification are the Thermalright SLK948U, Swiftech MCX64-V (& MCX6400-V), and Alpha PAL8150.

I should be getting my DTR chips soon so I'll be able to report my results with a Zalman 7000-AlCu and a Swiftech MCX64-V.

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Gosh, this definitely isn't for the faint of heart.

What if you just cleaned off the thermal paste between the core and the IHS and replaced it with Arctic Ceramique or MX-1, then replaced the IHS?

Is one of the implications of this that it isn't so important to have your thermal paste cover the entire IHS surface, just the center area?

I tried to replace the stock goop with AS Cermamique and the PC wouldn't boot. Pull the IHS out completely and it worked, go figure.

 

[Tamale]

Anyone know of any waterblocks that work fine?

 

[phr0m]

just about all wate blocks should work i have a polar flow tt and it works great

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
nice guide

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Inappropriate4AT

Originally posted by: Avalon
Nice job with the pictured guide. It makes me want to give it a try on my Venice, but I can't afford to kill it

Are there HSFs that are known to be compatible with IHS-less chips without any modification?

The 3 I've heard work without any modification are the Thermalright SLK948U, Swiftech MCX64-V (& MCX6400-V), and Alpha PAL8150.

I should be getting my DTR chips soon so I'll be able to report my results with a Zalman 7000-AlCu and a Swiftech MCX64-V.

Definitely let me know if it works on your Zalman. I'll pop the cap off my Venice if it does, if my Opteron isn't at my door by then.

 

[Zebo]

Nice guide but I value my fingers too much. Everytime I try to do something intricate with a blade of any sort I end up with stiches. Then it's a real pain in the butt, Gotta wear a baggie over hand when taking a shower and stuff.

 

[phr0m]

lol you dont have to use a razor, i just find that to be the most common really thin and sharp thing to use, you could use an exacto knife instead, i still find the razor easier though.


and yes the zalman's do work

 

[Doctorweir]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Nice guide but I value my fingers too much. Everytime I try to do something intricate with a blade of any sort I end up with stiches. Then it's a real pain in the butt, Gotta wear a baggie over hand when taking a shower and stuff.

Hey Zebo, I recommend using the blade this way. Fool-proof

So today I did the trick and voila...tons of cheap silicon grease crap under the IHS (core already cleaned in the pic...).
Time to slap someone @AMD for this Or maybe it's just to harden our overclocker lives...well, anyway...

Results: -8C in load temps...not too shabby. However this processor still has its prime stability brick wall soon beyond 2500. So I gonna go for more when it's Opteron time

 

[IlllI]

Originally posted by: phr0m
here are some heatsinks that would work:
zalman
tt big typhoon
xp120
ZALMAN CNPS9500
these are just a few of the aircooled heatsinks that will work with a "naked" cpu

almost any "big" heatsink will work with a removed ihs becuase a lot of the new heatsinks require you to either remove the backplate or the cpu bracket and use the screw to directly put into the back plate

you would have to do some modding to get the xp120 to work though, right? it doesnt have screws so i assume so.

 

[phr0m]

they way the use the clamps and a new socket holder make it so that there isnt anything holding the heatsink off of the processor to get good contact

 

[Doctorweir]

With the Zalman 7700 I also had to do some improvements to the clamps (bring em higher up), as the cooler is a lot lower without the IHS and does not fit tight with the screws fully fastened in default setup.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Doctorweir

Originally posted by: Zebo
Nice guide but I value my fingers too much. Everytime I try to do something intricate with a blade of any sort I end up with stiches. Then it's a real pain in the butt, Gotta wear a baggie over hand when taking a shower and stuff.

Hey Zebo, I recommend using the blade this way. Fool-proof

So today I did the trick and voila...tons of cheap silicon grease crap under the IHS (core already cleaned in the pic...).
Time to slap someone @AMD for this Or maybe it's just to harden our overclocker lives...well, anyway...

Results: -8C in load temps...not too shabby. However this processor still has its prime stability brick wall soon beyond 2500. So I gonna go for more when it's Opteron time

Man that is cool. So how does blade go in? What I mean.. looking at picture.. are you inserting blade with that top corner? Or do you use the bottom and push blade in straight?

8C is huge like 50-80Mhz xtra OC IME.

 

[ribbon13]

Maybe a hardcore overclocking supplier (FrozenCPU, Sidewinder, Etc) could get someone to make shims like they used to for SocketA Athlons for 'unlidded' A64s?

 

[Doctorweir]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Doctorweir

Originally posted by: Zebo
Nice guide but I value my fingers too much. Everytime I try to do something intricate with a blade of any sort I end up with stiches. Then it's a real pain in the butt, Gotta wear a baggie over hand when taking a shower and stuff.

Hey Zebo, I recommend using the blade this way. Fool-proof

So today I did the trick and voila...tons of cheap silicon grease crap under the IHS (core already cleaned in the pic...).
Time to slap someone @AMD for this Or maybe it's just to harden our overclocker lives...well, anyway...

Results: -8C in load temps...not too shabby. However this processor still has its prime stability brick wall soon beyond 2500. So I gonna go for more when it's Opteron time

Man that is cool. So how does blade go in? What I mean.. looking at picture.. are you inserting blade with that top corner? Or do you use the bottom and push blade in straight?

8C is huge like 50-80Mhz xtra OC IME.

See the "shadowed" area of the blade on the right side? This is from the "operation".
This gives you a hint, how deep and in what angle (45 deg) I used the blade.
There is one side of the IHS, where no black rubber is inbetween (breathing space). You can start from there or at a corner and make your way round. Maybe 2-3 times, until the blade runs smooth...
And unfortunately I do not get an additional overclock, as the CPU reached it's limit already Maybe I have to fool around some more with different multipliers / FSB. But the 2500 are a good mark for HTT, low mem timings, etc.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Yup. I did this with a clawhammer and a venus 12. Don't feel bad Zebo, I gashed my self pretty damn good with the razor that night, but the IHS gone+ venus 12+80 MM tornado allowed me to run my clawhammer at 1.9vcore 58C load temps (in the middle of january, at 2 am, room temps were like 58F at the warmest.

 

[phr0m]

yeaht there is a little black spot on the silicon wre the breathing gap is at, thats wer i put the razor in at and start in

 

[phr0m]

i think doing this to a p4 woulld help out a lot and looking at the p4 cores with the ihs off (on the northwood anyway) it s really shiny and already has a mirrored finish, kinda looks like if any one has the guts, they could lap the core of their athlon 64

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: phr0m
i think doing this to a p4 woulld help out a lot and looking at the p4 cores with the ihs off (on the northwood anyway) it s really shiny and already has a mirrored finish, kinda looks like if any one has the guts, they could lap the core of their athlon 64

Problem with doing it to a P4, is that some of them have some kind of epoxy instead of thermal grease. I've seen pics of people who have split the cores doing that...

 

[Doctorweir]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: phr0m
i think doing this to a p4 woulld help out a lot and looking at the p4 cores with the ihs off (on the northwood anyway) it s really shiny and already has a mirrored finish, kinda looks like if any one has the guts, they could lap the core of their athlon 64

Problem with doing it to a P4, is that some of them have some kind of epoxy instead of thermal grease. I've seen pics of people who have split the cores doing that...

:shocked: That's lame of intel...

 

[Heckler 5th]

Originally posted by: skunkbuster
you would have to do some modding to get the xp120 to work though, right? it doesnt have screws so i assume so.

yep. can the OP please edit original post? xp120 will NOT work on a "naked" amd64 without modding the retention bracket. i suspect the si120 is the same way. many people could be mislead if this is left unchanged.