how to stop the flash mob robberies?

[HomerJS]

who do we think is committing these robberies and how do we stop them?

take away mask mandates and bring back jail time?



its going to eventually ruin in person shopping if it cant be controlled / countered.


When i went to a Walgreens in Vegas i watched people just casually taking items in front of the security guard and walking out, he didn't seem to be able to stop any of it, but about 90% of the items in the store over 5$ where under lock and key in lil display cases (which would not stop a mob of course), In SF they are closing most of the Walgreens because of this rampant theft/.

if there is already a thread you can delete / move this one.

Can you understand some of the reactions you are getting? Conservatives only are concerned about crime when it isn't their own starring as the perps. Such as

Jan 6 Ron Johnson said he was "comfortable" with what Trump's people did but not BLM types.
Voter fraud. I count at least 6 cases of busted Republicans with intent yet the only person to do time is Crystal Mason who got 5 years.
They claim blue lives matter yet mock Office Fanone of the capital police

Having said that are weapons being brought in these stores? Maybe random unmarked police at various store exteriors where store can trip a silent alarm like a bank.

 

[zzyzxroad]

I have been too busy to follow the news recently so just want to know if this is something I should legitimately be concerned about? At some point this week I need to hit Costco and just want to know how on guard I should be.

 

[killster1]

Can you understand some of the reactions you are getting? Conservatives only are concerned about crime when it isn't their own starring as the perps. Such as

Jan 6 Ron Johnson said he was "comfortable" with what Trump's people did but not BLM types.
Voter fraud. I count at least 6 cases of busted Republicans with intent yet the only person to do time is Crystal Mason who got 5 years.
They claim blue lives matter yet mock Office Fanone of the capital police

Having said that are weapons being brought in these stores? Maybe random unmarked police at various store exteriors where store can trip a silent alarm like a bank.

i dont know fanone or ron johnson but random unmarked police that could help with all crimes would be nice, If you call the police in LA they will ask if you are actively being robbed stabbed in imminent danger before sending a officer.

So im a little shocked homerjS wants More police on the streets! I dont really want more police but better citizens, which is hard since some say the prison time is to long for crimes yet there is no shortage of criminals.

oh i see you are worried about the capital hill riot! ya they should be shot for treason that's cool.. n e ways diff thread right?

 

[fskimospy]

i dont know fanone or ron johnson but random unmarked police that could help with all crimes would be nice, If you call the police in LA they will ask if you are actively being robbed stabbed in imminent danger before sending a officer.

So im a little shocked homerjS wants More police on the streets! I dont really want more police but better citizens, which is hard since some say the prison time is to long for crimes yet there is no shortage of criminals.

oh i see you are worried about the capital hill riot! ya they should be shot for treason that's cool.. n e ways diff thread right?

You inadvertently get at the point, actually. Lots of criminal justice research shows the harshness of the penalty has relatively little deterrent effect. A 5 year prison sentence vs. a 10 year prison sentence doesn't change criminal behavior a lot. What DOES change behavior though is the probability of being caught, which is directly related to the number of police on the streets.

So if we wanted to lower crime while keeping law enforcement spending the same we would probably be best off by making sentences lower and using that money to hire more cops on the street.

 

[HomerJS]

i dont know fanone or ron johnson but random unmarked police that could help with all crimes would be nice, If you call the police in LA they will ask if you are actively being robbed stabbed in imminent danger before sending a officer.

So im a little shocked homerjS wants More police on the streets! I dont really want more police but better citizens, which is hard since some say the prison time is to long for crimes yet there is no shortage of criminals.

oh i see you are worried about the capital hill riot! ya they should be shot for treason that's cool.. n e ways diff thread right?

I've never been against police on the streets I just want them held accountable for their unequal treatment of minorities.

Ofc Fanone was the capital cop beaten at the insurrection who was first to be interviewed. Right wing media mocked him.
Fox News host mocked officer with fake trophy. See his response - CNN Video

Ron Johnson Republican Senator from Minnesota who was cool with Trump's people on Jan 6

 

[fskimospy]

I've never been against police on the streets I just want them held accountable for their unequal treatment of minorities.

Ofc Fanone was the capital cop beaten at the insurrection who was first to be interviewed. Right wing media mocked him.
Fox News host mocked officer with fake trophy. See his response - CNN Video

Ron Johnson Republican Senator from Minnesota who was cool with Trump's people on Jan 6

I'm still not sure how white people on both sides of the argument missed the point that black Americans were not complaining about the police existing, they were complaining about the police strangling them to death.

 

[killster1]

I have been too busy to follow the news recently so just want to know if this is something I should legitimately be concerned about? At some point this week I need to hit Costco and just want to know how on guard I should be.

you worried a rival mob will hit the Costco before yours? Costco at least has a door guy checking memberships, not sure what they would do if they saw 60 people approaching, I wonder if Costco customers are more likely to attack the robbers then a purse store.

 

[MrSquished]

I've never been against police on the streets I just want them held accountable for their unequal treatment of minorities.

Ofc Fanone was the capital cop beaten at the insurrection who was first to be interviewed. Right wing media mocked him.
Fox News host mocked officer with fake trophy. See his response - CNN Video

Ron Johnson Republican Senator from Minnesota who was cool with Trump's people on Jan 6

I've never been against police on the streets either, clearly they are a necessary part of a society - we just need much better police. Both in regards to treatment of minorities and just better cops in general. Much better trained with a much more thought out accountability system. Two years of training, not 6 months. Accountability to do things about quality of life crimes. Also reform the justice system at the same time. No for profit prison systems. No city budgets needing tickets and arrests and fines to be balanced.

 

[IronWing]

I have been too busy to follow the news recently so just want to know if this is something I should legitimately be concerned about? At some point this week I need to hit Costco and just want to know how on guard I should be.

You should be terrified and use your terror to rationalize really bad public policies. This is why Murdoch is hyping this nonsense.

 

[HomerJS]

I'm still not sure how white people on both sides of the argument missed the point that black Americans were not complaining about the police existing, they were complaining about the police strangling them to death.

@killster1 misses the point because he wants to miss the point. How else can he promote his narrative?

 

[hal2kilo]

I have been too busy to follow the news recently so just want to know if this is something I should legitimately be concerned about? At some point this week I need to hit Costco and just want to know how on guard I should be.

It's not the Fox painted world out there. Especially, at your local Costco. Also, Costco usually has about 2 cases of expensive merchandise, usually about 50ft. deep into the store. Costco, also has physically channeled ins and outs. Not a smart place to try and steal. That's one of the ways Costco saves money, by really controlling store theft.

 

[Juiblex]

Fix the problem by putting them in labor camps. Apparently too much time on their hands... If they worked 8-5 they'd be too tired to flash rob anyone.

 

[IronWing]

Fix the problem by putting them in labor camps. Apparently too much time on their hands... If they worked 8-5 they'd be too tired to flash rob anyone.

Can we send them to the same labor camps we set up for wage thieves and other white collar crooks?

 

[Greenman]

It should be noted that while affordable housing mandates are in fact getting someone else to pay for their housing, multi family construction bans are essentially the same thing, just for incumbent homeowners. In both cases the government is putting restrictions on developers so that money goes into someone's pocket - the only difference is if you prefer the government forcing developers to sell units at below market rates or if you prefer the government forcibly restricting supply to drive up prices. I prefer neither but I guess I'm just crazy that way.

Government can't force developers to sell below market rates. They can, and do, require that X amount of units built be "low income". All that happens in that case is the price deferential is added to the retail units. If that math doesn't work out, the developer won't build the project.

I have no issue with high density housing, as long as it's planed. High density goes in the high density area, single family goes in the single family area. Everyone gets what they want. The problem around here is that no one is interested in high density housing, it doesn't sell. People want a yard for their kids to play in and a garage to keep their cars in.

 

[FelixDeCat]

OP, I had a thread on this very issue and as you can see by the posts expressing sympathy for criminals and their criminal activity, liberals are in love with crime - which of course they deny.

They have bought the old street line, "Dont hate they player, hate the game" to sooth their collective conscious.

The sad thing is that criminals will keep on thieving without remorse until they are finally booked and kept in jail for years to pay their debt to society.

 

[MrSquished]

OP, I had a thread on this very issue and as you can see by the posts expressing sympathy for criminals and their criminal activity, liberals are in love with crime - which of course they deny.

They have bought the old street line, "Dont hate they player, hate the game" to sooth their collective conscious.

The sad thing is that criminals will keep on thieving without remorse until they are finally booked and kept in jail for years to pay their debt to society.

Your thought process is just disgusting. I really wish Texas would leave the Union. Too many of you neanderthals down there dragging us down.

 

[fskimospy]

Government can't force developers to sell below market rates. They can, and do, require that X amount of units built be "low income". All that happens in that case is the price deferential is added to the retail units. If that math doesn't work out, the developer won't build the project.

Right, and this is dumb. Just make them all market rate.

I have no issue with high density housing, as long as it's planed. High density goes in the high density area, single family goes in the single family area. Everyone gets what they want.

No, what you mean is what some people want is to use the government to ban high density housing. After all you’re welcome to build a single family home in the middle of the city if you want to. So it’s only the low density people who get what they want because they can build their preferred house anywhere but ban others from building their preferred housing.

As I mentioned this is just like the affordable housing thing. You want the government to forcibly restrict supply so your property values go up.

The problem around here is that no one is interested in high density housing, it doesn't sell. People want a yard for their kids to play in and a garage to keep their cars in.

If nobody is interested in high density housing around you then there’s no reason to ban it, right?

 

[MrSquished]

Right, and this is dumb. Just make them all market rate.


No, what you mean is what some people want is to use the government to ban high density housing. As I mentioned this is just like the affordable housing thing. You want the government to forcibly restrict supply so your property values go up.


If nobody is interested in high density housing around you then there’s no reason to ban it, right?

Greenman wants the regulations he wants for the lifestyle he likes - so no regulations to make housing affordable BUT plenty of regulations to keep housing more scarce, driving the prices up and supporting a lifestyle he likes, single family lots with yards. He is completely selfish and rationalizes it quite easily, like most conservatives.

Also, it's funny to hear people say nobody wants high density housing when the priciest housing per square foot in the country and on the planet are in dense cities, and by a huge margin.

How do people like this even walk and chew gum at the same time? It does explain the conservative party quite well these days. Low barrier of entry.

 

[BUTCH1]

Install remote locks on the doors, call staff inside then do this, "now yous can't leave"

 

[fskimospy]

Greenman wants the regulations he wants for the lifestyle he likes - so no regulations to make housing affordable BUT plenty of regulations to keep housing more scarce, driving the prices up and supporting a lifestyle he likes, single family lots with yards. He is completely selfish and rationalizes it quite easily, like most conservatives.

Yes, this is what I’m getting at - he (rightly) sees affordable housing mandates as the government using its power to make housing prices more favorable to some people. He (wrongly) doesn’t seem to realize that exclusionary zoning does the same thing.

Also, it's funny to hear people say nobody wants high density housing when the priciest housing per square foot in the country and on the planet are in dense cities, and by a huge margin.

How do people like this even walk and chew gum at the same time? It does explain the conservative party quite well these days. Low barrier of entry.

It says a lot to me that he simultaneously thinks there is no demand for high density housing but I bet he would adamantly oppose removing the high density ban in his town. If that’s the case that would sure indicate he doesn’t really believe it.

 

[digiram]

Pay people enough to care about the crap you sell or go in there and sell it yourself. Maybe this will bring back small bizz. More flashmobs at Walmart plz.

 

[pmv]

You inadvertently get at the point, actually. Lots of criminal justice research shows the harshness of the penalty has relatively little deterrent effect. A 5 year prison sentence vs. a 10 year prison sentence doesn't change criminal behavior a lot. What DOES change behavior though is the probability of being caught, which is directly related to the number of police on the streets.

So if we wanted to lower crime while keeping law enforcement spending the same we would probably be best off by making sentences lower and using that money to hire more cops on the street.

I don't really know what I think of it all, though a rare positive thought I had about Tony Blair was that the slogan "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" was a good one.

What intrigues me is the difference in the attitude to the police between the Thatcher era Tories and the Johnson era Tories. One of Thatcher's first acts was to give them a substantial pay rise, and she kept their budgets up, because she knew full-well she'd need them on her 'side'. Something that became very apparent in the miners' strike. The last couple of Tory governments, on the other hand, have cut police numbers and repeatedly demonstrated that they view them as just another lot of over-indulged public-sector employees.

 

[MrSquished]

I don't really know what I think of it all, though a rare positive thought I had about Tony Blair was that the slogan "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" was a good one.

What intrigues me is the difference in the attitude to the police between the Thatcher era Tories and the Johnson era Tories. One of Thatcher's first acts was to give them a substantial pay rise, and she kept their budgets up, because she knew full-well she'd need them on her 'side'. Something that became very apparent in the miners' strike. The last couple of Tory governments, on the other hand, have cut police numbers and repeatedly demonstrated that they view them as just another lot of over-indulged public-sector employees.

Police should be paid very well. Very good police though. Not the policing we have now.

 

[JD50]

Yes, this is what I’m getting at - he (rightly) sees affordable housing mandates as the government using its power to make housing prices more favorable to some people. He (wrongly) doesn’t seem to realize that exclusionary zoning does the same thing.


It says a lot to me that he simultaneously thinks there is no demand for high density housing but I bet he would adamantly oppose removing the high density ban in his town. If that’s the case that would sure indicate he doesn’t really believe it.

It's not that he doesn't really believe it, it's that like most conservatives, he is unable to put himself in someone else's shoes. HE wouldn't want to live in high density housing, so naturally in his world no one else would want to live in high density housing.

 

[railer]

You need more aggressive policing, in order to catch the people doing this, and then you need to put these people in jail. Jail is a huge deterrent. There's an enormous difference between going to jail and getting an appearance ticket for a court date at some future point. The pendulum has swung away from policing and towards mayhem over the past year or so. Once random acts of violence and crime start happening in the burbs, the pendulum will start to swing back.
And to say that the only way to fix these crime sprees is to fix the ills of society is an exercise in futility. It's not wrong, necessarily, it's just impossible. It's like me solving the problem of too many gnats flying around my head in the summertime by solving climate change. There may well be a relationship there but you're turning a solvable problem into an impossible problem. Just get a can of Off and be done with it, while simultaneously having a long term understanding as to the effects of climate change.
In this case, the cops/jail are the Off.
Use the Off.