'How to label a terrorist' by the U.S. govt.

[Victorian Gray]

Read it and weep (or not).

The article:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/07/23/blacklisted/

The guide itself:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/07/23/march-2013-watchlisting-guidance/

"The Obama administration has quietly approved a substantial expansion of the terrorist watchlist system, authorizing a secret process that requires neither “concrete facts” nor “irrefutable evidence” to designate an American or foreigner as a terrorist, according to a key government document obtained by The Intercept.


The “March 2013 Watchlisting Guidance,” a 166-page document issued last year by the National Counterterrorism Center, spells out the government’s secret rules for putting individuals on its main terrorist database, as well as the no fly list and the selectee list, which triggers enhanced screening at airports and border crossings. The new guidelines allow individuals to be designated as representatives of terror organizations without any evidence they are actually connected to such organizations, and it gives a single White House official the unilateral authority to place entire “categories” of people the government is tracking onto the no fly and selectee lists. It broadens the authority of government officials to “nominate” people to the watchlists based on what is vaguely described as “fragmentary information.” It also allows for dead people to be watchlisted."

 

[Nebor]

You can't technically prove OJ Simpsons is a murderer, but would you let him babysit your kids?

 

[Victorian Gray]

You can't technically prove OJ Simpsons is a murderer, but would you let him babysit your kids?

Sorry, he's not eligible for parole until late 2017.

 

[Stewox]

Very Very Very Simple:

In order to be a terrorist in the eyes of the hijacked Poo House:

You have to do or be the following:

1. Returning Veteran
2. Pro-Gun Militia Member
3. Whistleblower; Being a guest on the Alex Jones Show and spilling the beans that CIA regularly transports up to 70 tons in one shipment on Airforce cargo planes.
4. Pro Civil Rights Patriot
5. Tea Party, Ron Paul supporter
6. Anti-Flouride Protester
7. Doomsday Prepper
8. Anti-BigAgra Organic Farmer

Basically everbody that is not a stupid zombie slave doing exactly what the government tells him to do and think.

 

[Borealis7]

9. google "TOR"

 

[Spungo]

4. Pro Civil Rights Patriot

Anyone using the following words might be a terrorist. At the very least, they're people I wouldn't enjoy talking to:
Patriot
Liberty
Freedom
Founding Fathers
Constitution
I was watching Fox News
I was watching CNN
I was watching MSNBC
Federal Reserve Notes
Fiat Currency
Oligarchy
Glenn Beck
1%er
George Soros
Koch Brothers
Cloward-Piven
War on Women
Capitalizing random words like We The People
Typing God as GOD, or capitalizing things like HIM, HIS, LORD
____ is just a theory
Climategate
Bengazigate
______gate
Gaffe
Blasted
Working Class
Lamestream Media

 

[Atreus21]

9. google "TOR"

Well congrats. You're on their list for even mentioning it.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Patriot
Liberty
Freedom
Founding Fathers
Constitution

It's kinda sad how we let the crazies co-op words like this.

 

[Newell Steamer]

All I know is that when a white person has an arsenal of weapons and murders a whole group of people, he is NOT a terrorist,.. he is misunderstood and needs help.

 

[Knowing]

All I know is that when a white person has an arsenal of weapons and murders a whole group of people, he is NOT a terrorist,.. he is misunderstood and needs help.

Unless they were attempting to make a political point when they were doing it. For example, the DC snipers are alleged to have participated in a "jihad against the United States" but that fails on your race qualifier.

 

[brandonb]

Anyone using the following words might be a terrorist. At the very least, they're people I wouldn't enjoy talking to:

So you don't like talking to anybody?

 

[brandonb]

All I know is that when a white person has an arsenal of weapons and murders a whole group of people, he is NOT a terrorist,.. he is misunderstood and needs help.

Do you know what terrorist even means? Mass murderer and terrorist are two separate things. A terrorist it someone who makes the populous scared and fear their lives doing their normal day to day operations. Like a boogie man that might jump out from behind a tree at any random moment. Those crazy white people usually go out in a blaze of glory and are not terrorists.

Oh nevermind. I get it. You mean all white people are terrorists. Since at any point of time, they could just explode and mow down a random group of people. Since it's only white people who do that, you need to fear them all. So white people terrorize you in general. Got it.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Those crazy white people usually go out in a blaze of glory and are not terrorists.

Ah, you mean like a hero? Or, like a patriot? Which one of these do you admire? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

Oh, wait,.. they have political agendas,.. but, they are just crazy extremists,.. not terrorists, right?

Such hypocrisy,..

 

[shortylickens]

 

[nehalem256]

All I know is that when a white person has an arsenal of weapons and murders a whole group of people, he is NOT a terrorist,.. he is misunderstood and needs help.

Irish people aren't white?

The IRA is a proscribed organisation in the UK under the Terrorism Act 2000 and an unlawful organisation in the Republic of Ireland.[12][13] The United States includes them in the category of "other selected terrorist groups also deemed of relevance in the global war on terrorism"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army

 

[brandonb]

Ah, you mean like a hero? Or, like a patriot? Which one of these do you admire? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

Oh, wait,.. they have political agendas,.. but, they are just crazy extremists,.. not terrorists, right?

Such hypocrisy,..

I don't understand your point, and I don't believe its even relevant to my comment. You don't make much sense when you're foaming at the mouth. At least you didn't say "herp derp".

 

[alcoholbob]

Conspiracy theory

 

[waggy]

All I know is that when a white person has an arsenal of weapons and murders a whole group of people, he is NOT a terrorist,.. he is misunderstood and needs help.

i think this is just sarcasm.

but..if not timothy mcVeigh would like a word with you.

He was a terrorist. he was white.

 

[Newell Steamer]

i think this is just sarcasm.

but..if not timothy mcVeigh would like a word with you.

He was a terrorist. he was white.

Sarcasm indeed.

Because even WITH political messages tied to a white group's terrorist activities, apologist are quick to brush it off and say; "Oh,.. they were just a bunch of crazies!! White people can't be terrorists! That is just an ugly word for,.. you know,.. BROWN people."

 

[Newell Steamer]

I don't understand your point, and I don't believe its even relevant to my comment. You don't make much sense when you're foaming at the mouth. At least you didn't say "herp derp".

White terrorism is real and apologist quickly dismiss it, because they refuse to acknowledge the problem.

 

[nehalem256]

Sarcasm indeed.

Because even WITH political messages tied to a white group's terrorist activities, apologist are quick to brush it off and say; "Oh,.. they were just a bunch of crazies!! White people can't be terrorists! That is just an ugly word for,.. you know,.. BROWN people."

Well except for all those white terrorists from the Middle East()

 

[Knowing]

White people can't be terrorists! That is just an ugly word for,.. you know,.. BROWN people."

Is this "dog whistle" language I always hear about?

White terrorism is real and apologist quickly dismiss it, because they refuse to acknowledge the problem.

I'd like a few more specifics on this claim. Are you talking about neo-nazi white nationalist terrorism or simply terrorism perpetrated by people who are phenotypically white?

 

[brandonb]

White terrorism is real and apologist quickly dismiss it, because they refuse to acknowledge the problem.

I looked at the list you attached. The only ones I've even heard of has been the KKK and Oklahoma City Bombing. Some of those on the list were Jewish and Black terrorists. So, it seems pretty multi cultural. So your domestic terrorists being only white seems to be false. Seems pretty universal across all groups. I can see the KKK as being a terrorist group, but as far as I know, the KKK is dead and no longer commits acts of terrorism, but I could be wrong. I haven't heard of a KKK related issue in the last 40 years. I'm not saying it hasn't happened though. I was pretty oblivious to news before the internet age.

I don't discount that some white people have committed acts of barbarism. Such as Oklahoma City Bombing. I do not consider Timothy McVeigh a terrorist. Mainly because he did 1 act and was caught, and it was done. To me, terrorism brings fear into the lives of normal every day people. "If I go to the grocery store, is someone going to snipe me from the keyhole of their trunk?" If it happened regularly and was a regular occurrence, that would be terrorism. At the time, John Muhammad sniped 12 people before he was caught and I'd classify him at the time as a terrorist. Timothy McVeigh committed mass murder once. Nobody white has blown up a federal building before or after that, as far as I know. So I don't think people are scared to go to a federal building because they could get blown to pieces by some whacky white guy. If they did, then yes, I'd say Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist. But that's just not the case.

I'm not dismissing his brutality. I just wouldn't classify him in the same boat as a terrorist.

 

[Knowing]

I'd disagree with that. The fact that he got caught is irrelevant, his motive was political. Joseph Stack also only struck once in an attack that was clearly political. On the Giffords shooting I lean toward him being schizoid but I haven't looked in to the content of his notes.

 

[Spungo]

So you don't like talking to anybody?

Correct.

A terrorist it someone who makes the populous scared and fear their lives doing their normal day to day operations.

I don't think that's the correct definition. Terrorism generally means a person or group is using violence to achieve political goals without officially being at war. Example: staging a non-violent protest against animal testing is not terrorism. Setting an animal testing facility on fire as a way of stopping animal testing is terrorism. Protesting an abortion clinic is not terrorism. Shooting abortion doctors is terrorism.

White terrorism is real and apologist quickly dismiss it, because they refuse to acknowledge the problem.

Only because most Americans can't locate Ireland on a map. If we had better maps, more people would admit white people can be terrorists.