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AreaCode707

Lifer
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<< Not flirting with anyone but your current love interest isn't taking away who you are and shouldn't be all of who you are either
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That's absurd. It's not that hard, really. You date someone who isn't comfortable with your flirting with someone else, you don't flirt. There are plenty of other ways to "be yourself." If I'm not dating anyone, I might flirt with girls. If I'm dating (which I am), I don't flirt with anyone but her. Plain and simple.

nik
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No one's arguing with you Nik, we all agree. What we're pointing out is that many people who flirt when they are not dating continue to flirt when they are, and that's bad. Someone who's not a flirt with everyone when they're not dating is less inclined to be a flirt with many people when they are dating. We all on the same page now?
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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<< If you don't want me to flirt with other guys, don't expect me to get to know you by flirting with you. >>

That conflicts with what you just said.

nik
 

AreaCode707

Lifer
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<< If you don't want me to flirt with other guys, don't expect me to get to know you by flirting with you. >>

That conflicts with what you just said.

nik
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How so? That statement says, to my mind, if I don't know you yet and I walk up and flirt with you to get to know you, I have a habit of flirting with guys to be friendly. Logically, I move to the general observation (which of course has exceptions) that girls who flirt with guys to be friendly, before they're dating, typically continue the habit while they're dating. So if you don't want a girlfriend who flirts with other guys, be aware the the girl flirting with you at the party may have a habitual tendency to do so.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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And if you keep flirting when they guy doesn't like it (doesn't want you to), he must not be important enough to you for you to respect his wishes? If you dated a guy that hit on you a lot, then told him that you didn't like his hitting on other girls when you're dating, would you keep your mouth shut, or would you speak up for yourself? If you'd keep your mouth shut (if you don't like his flirting), then you've got things to think about -just like how the guy would if he didn't speak up or if you kept flirting when he didn't like your flirting with other guys. Get it?

nik
 

AreaCode707

Lifer
Sep 21, 2001
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<< And if you keep flirting when they guy doesn't like it (doesn't want you to), he must not be important enough to you for you to respect his wishes? If you dated a guy that hit on you a lot, then told him that you didn't like his hitting on other girls when you're dating, would you keep your mouth shut, or would you speak up for yourself? If you'd keep your mouth shut (if you don't like his flirting), then you've got things to think about -just like how the guy would if he didn't speak up or if you kept flirting when he didn't like your flirting with other guys. Get it?

nik
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I get what you're saying. You're imagining this as a couple already dating, I'm imagining it as the moment you're considering dating someone. Yes, if the person asked you to stop flirting, you should out of respect for them. And I would speak up if I was with someone like that. What I'm saying is that I'm less likely to date someone like that because it's a habit, not just a conscious behavior, and it's going to be more difficult for them to stop.
 

Balthazar

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<< If you want to know me better, get to know my family.
If you want me to get to know your family, make me feel included.
>>



Isn't that funny....
If you want to know ME, then YOU do the work, but if I am going to have to get to know YOU, you still have to do the work.

Where is the flip side to that? How about if you want a guy to get to know you better you make HIM feel included, rather than he makes you feel included, and he gets to know you by getting to know your family as well.

Some of those seem awfully one sided. And while in this context it was stated that they could go for both sides they were clearly written from a female perspective. So this thread isn't at fault, but the author is a typical girl.

Anyway....

I guess that what ex-girlfriends-who-forget-to-mention-they-also-like-women-then-leave-you-for-one-of-your-friends will do to your outlook on the opposite sex.

Woo....nap-time.
 

cjchaps

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Jul 24, 2000
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Getting punched in the face by a woman
by roosh@rooshlog.com
I have an inspirational true story for you guys. Free your mind of all other thoughts to understand the point I?m trying to get across here.
Several months ago I was in my clubbing phase?it was a real treat for me to do some grinding. Unfortunately I did not have the skill to cum in my pants like some posters here (past and present) have, but it was fun nonetheless. This one night in Baltimore I went with three aggressive black guys to this trashy club to have a good time. I remember this was the time that I was still unconfident in approaching girls?I didn?t even do a bar approach yet so all my closes were from the clubs.

I?m watching my friends approach girl after girl after girl?the way they did it made me realize how EASY and COMFORTABLE it was. I thought of it this way?I?m a guy and she?s a girl. It?s NATURAL to do this, so why not we go see what happens. In the club environment there isn?t much talking in your approach?you just go grab her hand or stop rubbing your crotch on her ass. It provided a nice cheap thrill, but nothing meaningful or memorable. How interesting is this?I could rub up against a girl but I still would balk at saying ?Hi? in some instances. It?s at that point I realized that a ?Hi? is easier than anything else I was doing. Once on The Man Show I saw this fat kid approach random couples on the beach and ask them outrageous sex questions! If he could do that, the least I could do is just go to any beautiful HB (Hot Babe) and say a simple ?Hi?. Wow so EASY.

On this particular night we leave the club and as we are walking out I notice an HB waiting on the side with her friends. Feeling confident after a night of dance approaches I go up to her with the first thing that comes out of my mind, ?Wow you look drunk.? At this point it takes a turn for the worse?.

The HB gets really mad at me and complains that guys are jerks and don?t know how to treat a women. Her voice gets louder and people start looking. Her friends try to hold her back but she starts to get even more rowdy. My friends, who were laughing hard a minute ago, now realize the explosiveness of the situation. She tells me to apologize or else she will knock me out. I refuse to apologize. Her eyes look evil at this point.

I step back to get away from her and then I see a fist coming straight at my face. A la The Matrix, I lean back but feel intense pain on my right eye as she connects. She swings again but I?m prepared this time and she misses. My friends grab her and I?m walking backwards in shock. The girl is screaming very loudly at this point and EVERYONE is looking. Guys are coming to her rescue at this point??Is this guy giving you trouble??. I was with big scary guys so I wasn?t worried about the potential heroes, but the fact that other guys would happily try to kick my ass was not a pleasant thought.

My friends eventually calm her down and she goes off with her friends still yelling at me. We get in the car and then leave. I felt like a beaten man, literally and figuratively. ?I hope this doesn?t give me a black eye,? I say. At this point as we are leaving the parking lot all I can hear is laughter?laughter at me. I was checking out the mirror to notice minor swelling and they just keep laughing. I did not know what to feel. I went home feeling like ****. BUT the next day would be a transformation?

I?m at work thinking about what happened the next day, and then I realized something?that was the worst that can happen in any approach. When you experience the worst, you lose all fear and self doubt. Looking back I realize that getting punched in the face by a hot girl was not that bad. While my heart was about to explode from my chest, it was a little exciting. So that?s the worst that can happen to me when I pick up chicks? That?s all? Picture for a second that you were the one who got hit in the face, that you drive home with your friends laughing, and you wake up the next day fine, without a black eye. Do that now for a minute. Doesn?t feel so bad does it?

What really got to me was the laughing of my friends. It gave me this MOTIVATION and URGE to go out there and show that I am now CAPABLE OF ANYTHING. I can go approach any girl in any situation and know it will be okay, because I know how it feels for the worst to happen to me. And the worst isn?t that bad. Now that I tell you my story and you pictured it, YOU know how it feels also. Again, doesn?t feel so bad does it?

The next time we are out I feel this unstoppable confidence. We went to this bar in College Park and I remember how cold it was that night. I had my coat on but once we got inside I had to take it off. With no coat check I asked this HB if I could put it on her chair and she agrees. My friends are still laughing about me getting hit in the face, so I go ?Bet you a beer I will go make out with that HB,? referring to the one who has my coat on her chair. They couldn?t all get in on the bet fast enough! I had no self-doubt in my mind, I felt like I could go do this. Talking to girls is exciting, and I will make it even more so. I had the feeling of UNSTOPPABLE CONFIDENCE in the middle of my chest, so I just went with the flow.

I go up to her and notice she is drunk. I interrupt her conversation with an AFC (Average Frustrated Chump) and I ask her how much she had to drink. It does not matter that a girl hit me in the face for a similar approach, I?m just going to go ahead and do what I feel like doing. I then say ?You know I think you deserve a kiss for watching my coat. Actually it would be a PRIVILEGE for you to get a kiss from me.? She gets defensive and tries to explain to me how it is the opposite. She explains to me that her kisses are so good, and because of my UNSTOPPABLE CONFIDENCE, I tell her to prove it. I?m talking to her for 3 minutes but go in for the kiss. We make out for maybe 30 seconds and I can remember her foul beer breath to this day. Did I mention that there was three AFCs around her watching in shock? It didn?t matter, because again?.I had UNSTOPPABLE CONFIDENCE. After the kiss I was done with her. I got what I wanted.

I went back to my friends who congratulate me like I just got back from the moon. They got me beers for the rest of the night, and since then they have NEVER poked fun at me when I got punched in the face.

Right now you are thinking of a past instance in which maybe you wanted to do something but didn?t have the courage to do so. Now I want you to look back at such instance and say to yourself, ?What is the worst that can happen?? Whatever it is, I bet you it?s not getting punched in the face.

Instead of thinking about opportunities? I FEEL them. I ask myself, ?Do I want to go do this?? If my mind answers with a ?Yes,? I IMMEDIATELY go after it with the UNSTOPPABLE CONFIDENCE that I know I have. Everyone has this confidence?EVERYONE. YOU have UNSTOPPABLE CONFIDENCE. Even my cat does.

All that you need to realize is the worst that can happen is not so bad at all. Now imagine the benefits of actions you will now take tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, everyday?image all opportunities you will take advantage of with the UNSTOPPABLE CONFIDENCE that you have now?you will get so excited that you want to go out NOW?you want to do everything that you knew in the back of your mind that you were always capable of. You are feeling a certain sensation in your body right now. That is your UNSTOPPABLE CONFIDENCE unleashed in your body. Isolate that feeling and draw back to it anytime you need the extra courage boost to make wonderful things happen to you from this day on.

 

Zenmervolt

Elite member
Oct 22, 2000
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<< If you want to know me better, get to know my family.
If you want me to get to know your family, make me feel included.
>>



Isn't that funny....
If you want to know ME, then YOU do the work, but if I am going to have to get to know YOU, you still have to do the work.

Where is the flip side to that? How about if you want a guy to get to know you better you make HIM feel included, rather than he makes you feel included, and he gets to know you by getting to know your family as well.

Some of those seem awfully one sided. And while in this context it was stated that they could go for both sides they were clearly written from a female perspective. So this thread isn't at fault, but the author is a typical girl.

Anyway....

I guess that what ex-girlfriends-who-forget-to-mention-they-also-like-women-then-leave-you-for-one-of-your-friends will do to your outlook on the opposite sex.

Woo....nap-time.
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Given the audience, it wouldn't make any sense at all to make this from the male point of view. An optimistic estimate would count 20 females around here, for a given amount of effort one reaches more males so it only makes sense to have it from the female perspective. Also, considering all the guys who wine about now bad women are but who refuse to acknowledge that they might have made some bad choices themselves, I think this thread and its initial contents are appropriate.

ZV
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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If you don't want me to flirt with other guys, don't expect me to get to know you by flirting with you.
Flirting to enter a relationship doesn't mean you can't stop once you're dedicated to someone.

If you want me to be faithful to you, don't try to steal me from my current boyfriend.
My belief and I think the reality of it is, if you believe you're better for someone than her current SO and have nothing to lose, make your play. Being a nice guy in this aspect doesn't pay off - and karma can kiss my @ss. :p

If you're glad that I haven't gone *that* far physically before, don't try to get me to do it for you.
Same as above. If you believe that you are the one she should be doing those things with, it's totally fine.

If you don't want me to be clingy, encourage me in my friendships with other people, guys and girls.
Very important. :)


My contribution for females to hopefully pick up on:

If you want me to trust you, don't keep asking if we love you or if we think about you in this or that romantic way. If you trust us you should innately know the answers to those questions and not need to spoil the magic of them by having everything put literally into words.
 

ElFenix

Elite Member
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my cat does not have unstoppable confidence in anything other than if she meows enough i'll pick her up and put her in bed.



i see spooner added one about beer, i was going to add one if someone else hadn't.

heres one:

don't keep asking a virgin for sex.
 

AreaCode707

Lifer
Sep 21, 2001
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<<

<< If you want to know me better, get to know my family.
If you want me to get to know your family, make me feel included.
>>



Isn't that funny....
If you want to know ME, then YOU do the work, but if I am going to have to get to know YOU, you still have to do the work.

Where is the flip side to that? How about if you want a guy to get to know you better you make HIM feel included, rather than he makes you feel included, and he gets to know you by getting to know your family as well.

Some of those seem awfully one sided. And while in this context it was stated that they could go for both sides they were clearly written from a female perspective. So this thread isn't at fault, but the author is a typical girl.

Anyway....

I guess that what ex-girlfriends-who-forget-to-mention-they-also-like-women-then-leave-you-for-one-of-your-friends will do to your outlook on the opposite sex.

Woo....nap-time.
>>



I think, though some of these are definitely girl-oriented, many of them work vice-versa too. That one particularly. I'm a firm believer in effort being made from both sides in a relationship. :)
 

JonathanM

Senior member
Mar 4, 2002
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Girls confuse me... which is probably one reason I'm still single at 20, the other would be I'm shy and hideously ugly.
 

CedarTeeth135

Senior member
Feb 22, 2002
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I'm not sure, but pay attention because you know how smooth us computer geeks are.

Yes, I have finnaly accepted it.
 

chiwawa626

Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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How sweet...well definatly when i get a gf ill try to spring that on her like it was my own :)...lol

but as for my current status, so i called her last nite and she said positivly that she'd get back to me.... Saw her today said hi and smiled, didnt seem too akward like she wasnt avoiding me...Later me and a few friends were kicking it around some girls that she kicks it with and she was there it was koo, she didnt try to run, hide, or avoid me...so hopefully something good comes outa this.
 

Alex

Diamond Member
Oct 26, 1999
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sounds reasonable... makes ya think tho doesnt it?

i mean most guys are like total hipocrits when it comes to this... i hadnt thought of half the stuff on that list but i guess ill be more understanding now :)
 

Cyberian

Diamond Member
Jun 17, 2000
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<< Sounds like common sense to me. >>

Common sense, unfortunately, is far from common.
 

linuxboy

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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<<

<< Sounds like common sense to me. >>

Common sense, unfortunately, is far from common.
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And sometimes ever farther from the sensical. A foolish consistensy or commonality is the hobgoblin of small minds.

Cheers ! :)