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tommo123

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getting a 3D tv next week (60" samsung plasma) and have a 6950 flashed to a 6970 ready to run it.

i think crysis 2 has a setting in it for 3D but what about games beyond that? can it be forced or does the game natively need to support it? can't be hard surely? it's not like live action where you need 2 cameras - you only need to render 2 FOVs right?
 
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You'll need an nvidia card as far as I know (to work with your plasma) and you'll have to use the glasses that came with your tv
 
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waffleironhead said:
So you just need an nvidia card and it sets up everything for you? That's some pretty good automation.
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Pretty much --- as long as you have the 3D Vision bundle it is pretty much plug and play.

But that is for PC. The OP has a Samsung TV and a HD 6970. He would want AMD's HD3D :p

He will need to use the 3D glasses that come with his Samsung TV and software; the link that waffleironhead provided is a good place to start:

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/amd-hd3d/Pages/how-to.aspx
 
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thanks guys :)

am curious though, does it let you render games that weren't made with 3D in mind in 3D?
 
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tommo123 said:
thanks guys :)

am curious though, does it let you render games that weren't made with 3D in mind in 3D?
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That is the beauty of it. The S3D drivers use the existing depth (Z-buffer) to calculate 3D. The issues only come up when the HUD (for example) is rendered at the "wrong" (2D) depth compared to the other objects; or the Sky rendering (as in Oblivion or Gothic 3) may be 2D and very distracting in a S3D environment.
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i got a 3D Vision Surround bundle from Nvidia (active shutter glasses/emitter/3x120Hz 1080p ASUS 24" displays) to evaluate 5 months ago for my tech site. During that time, i have played nearly 100 games with it in S3D - 6 from start to finish and i am writing what is turning into a mega-evaluation now.

*Most* of the old games (from about 2002) are pretty good in S3D and some are extra-ordinary. Nvidia has evaluated over 500 games and about 15 are considered "3D Ready" - created with S3D in mind. The rest are graded from (not recommended and) fair to excellent (6 grades).

OpenGL games and very old games (that that don't work in HD resolutions) probably don't work so well or require an extra-ordinary amount of tweaking. There is also a lot of hot keys with 3D Vision so that you can tailor your S3D experience to your own vision and liking.

i have not yet evaluated HD3D which is AMD's own S3D. Theirs is an open standard which means it has taken longer to implement than Nvidia's solution. AMD is working on S3D with its partners to improve the experience.
 
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Regarding 3D HDTV's and nVidia 3D gaming, I believe the function is limited to Mitsubishi brand DLP 3DTV sets.

nVidias website has the requirments listed for 3DVision and supported 3D HDTV's.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-system-requirements.html


Does anyone actually run 3D gaming on a 3D HDTV? Something i'm considering, but the only solid info i've seen leads me to believe 3D gaming is only a safe bet with true 120hz Computer LCD monitors.

3D HDTV's appeared limited by HDMI 1.4a in terms of ability to present a fluid 3D environment at 1080p, being limited to 24fps for 3D at this resolution.
 
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Attic said:
Regarding 3D HDTV's and nVidia 3D gaming, I believe the function is limited to Mitsubishi brand DLP 3DTV sets.

nVidias website has the requirments listed for 3DVision and supported 3D HDTV's.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-system-requirements.html


Does anyone actually run 3D gaming on a 3D HDTV? Something i'm considering, but the only solid info i've seen leads me to believe 3D gaming is only a safe bet with 120hz Computer LCD monitors.
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i *believe* that the only gaming at a full 60 frames per second at 1080p is done with 3D Vision and a 120Hz PC display and that current limitations of the HD 3DTVs are either 24FPS at 1080 or 60 FPS at 720p (which work with the manufacturer's glasses and additional SW from either Nvidia or AMD's partners, depending which route you go). (However, this information may not be the very latest and i updating my own article before i publish it.)

If you have a 3D Vision Ready Display, it may or may not support (HD3D) S3D over HDMI 1.4; the latest displays do. And if you pick a 3D 120Hz display, they are available from 22" to 27".

S3D - and especially movie watching - on the HD 3DTV is a different experience from from playing PC games on a PC monitor. With S3D enabled TV you want the very biggest screen you can afford and fit into your living room. The action pops out of the screen and you sit far back.

On a PC display, the action takes place "inside" your screen; much like in an aquarium. If too much action pops out at you - and you sit close - it can be quite disconcerting.
 
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it will mainly be for 2D movies, then 3D movies, then 2D gaming, then 3D gaming IME.

i've grown lazy with controllers and only play PC games now that support them (thank you portal 2) although i do have a ps3 sat there doing nothing at all.

anyhoo, as for gaming, i want to replay arkham asylum before arkham city comes out - but there's plenty of time for that

again, ta appopin :)
 
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There are a few titles that offer native support for AMD and one of them is Deus EX. However, for most titles, one has to purchase a third party driver like DDD or IZ3d.

There are a few monitors that support 120hz full resolution, 1080P, 60hz per eye, for HD3d, like the latest Samsung monitors.

http://www.samsung.com/sg/consumer/p...ype=prd_detail
 
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SirPauly said:
There are a few titles that offer native support for AMD and one of them is Deus EX. However, for most titles, one has to purchase a third party driver like DDD or IZ3d.

There are a few monitors that support 120hz full resolution, 1080P, 60hz per eye, for HD3d, like the latest Samsung monitors.

http://www.samsung.com/sg/consumer/p...ype=prd_detail
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Thank-you. i knew they were coming from being at CES but didn't know they were out yet. Are they available to buy? In the USA?

Here is a review from last month that i just found
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=31274

interestingly, it is incompatible with 3D Vision glasses but will work on Nvidia cards - and most interesting, the reviewers didn't like it as well as 3D Vision
But switch on over to an NVIDIA 3D Vision setup - we used a GeForce GTX 570 card housed in a comparable system, connected to an ASUS VG236H monitor - and the 3D effect is considerably better, according to our trio of test players.
Load up other popular games and the same observations permeate the thoughts of the testing trio. It's not so much that the ASUS screen is better than the Samsung, rather NVIDIA's 3D Vision system gives a more-immersive feel in most games. 3D via TriDef is good, not great, and the need to go through a specific application (Game Launcher) doesn't help matters.
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i know AMD is actively working on S3D and i expect to see Eyefinity in HD3D before long. We already saw one of their partners demo it over 3 screens
 
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Thank-you. i knew they were coming from being at CES but didn't know they were out yet. Are they available to buy? In the USA?

Here is a review from last month that i just found
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=31274

interestingly, it is incompatible with 3D Vision glasses but will work on Nvidia cards - and most interesting, the reviewers didn't like it as well as 3D Vision

i know AMD is actively working on S3D and i expect to see Eyefinity in HD3D before long. We already saw one of their partners demo it over 3 screens
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Incompatible with other vendor's glasses, proprietary to Samsung. Full resolution 1080P with HD3d with DDD software. Samsung and DDD have a nice relationship and the 2d/3d conversion is based on DDD's work, imho. With DDD, nVidia cards will work but only side by side method - not ideal at all.
 
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happy medium said:
My point was anyone who is interested in 3d gaming should not own a AMD card.

I was suggesting to sell the 6950 and buy a 275$ gtx570.
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sorry, but no. i didn't want to post this (for obvious reasons) but nvidia (like apple) are boycotted at my place :eek: anyhoo - i do bitcoin mining as well and nvidia isn't close to ati in that area (not that it matters to a lot of people to be fair).

i'm curious about 3D gaming but as i said, it will mostly be for 2D movies etc, then 3D movies before any kind of gaming. haven't finished portal 2 yet :(

apoppin - ta for the hexus link
 
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Does anyone actually run 3D gaming on a 3D HDTV? Something i'm considering, but the only solid info i've seen leads me to believe 3D gaming is only a safe bet with true 120hz Computer LCD monitors.

3D HDTV's appeared limited by HDMI 1.4a in terms of ability to present a fluid 3D environment at 1080p, being limited to 24fps for 3D at this resolution.
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I run nvidia 3dtvplay on a samsung 46" lcd using samsungs glasses and pushed with 2 x gtx285s

1080p is 24 fps
1280p is 60 fps

works fine. nvidia has a list of recommended tweaks for most games that will run OK.
 
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