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CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
I married a Democrat. Her whole damn family(except her Dad) are pretty much socialists. I never understood why her parents got divorced until the whole political issue came up. Her Mom is WAAAAAAAAY to the left and her Dad is a fairly middle of the road conservative.

How do we deal with it? We don't talk about it much. Espeically taxes....damn she has some messed up ideas when it comes to taxes.

Of course I think a lot of her beliefs stem from the fact that she has never really worked a "real job" and is currently working on her Masters. I can't wait until she finishes next May. Should be interesting to see how/if her views change once she is working full time in the real world.

I married a democrat family too. My wife isn't hardcore but she does seem to have some old school democrat party things stuck in there. I have been working on her father and I'm 95% sure he's voting for Bush this time and I got him to actually talk politics in more than just soundbites like his dad does to me.(gramps is an old school socialist democrat - the kind that thinks they can change the world with more gov't programs and handouts) Also, my m-i-l is still up in the air - she's a democrat(or atleast thinks she is) but on every issue we talk about she seems to take the "Right" side. Dunno if she'll vote bush or not but I have her new husband to be leaning towards Bush and he's a dick gephardt democrat.

The thing is - when I first married my wife - politics were taboo - PERIOD. Good thing I don't follow other people's rules for themselves. It's been a fun and interesting road but I'm happy with the progress that's been made. The hardest part was to break down that "silent" wall - since then it's gotten better as there is more trust there.

CsG
 
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Originally posted by: bthorny
Thats it I gotta come outta the closet.......
I'm kinda seeing a republican :disgust:

She is really hardcore about it but, its entertaining in a way because...alot of her real thoughts fall on the left side of the line.....can she be rehabilitated(just kidding about that)?

Puts flamesuit on.....


I've never been one to want to be with someone like me so.....I dunno though we are on opposite ends of the spectrum....can it work?

If this should be in OT please move mods...I think it belongs in P&N though

If you talk about politics in a relationship, it's already doomed for failure.
 

tallest1

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
I predict you two will have great sex but end up killing each other :)

Reminds me of my previous relationship. Frankly theres no way around a political discussion. For example, I don't shop at walmart and any mention of it would lead to a disagreement. Pretty much anything involving current events, money, or government would lead to a conflict. Frankly I was getting tired of it.

..... but then again, my currect GF is very tin-foil hat liberal and I try my best to block her political rants out since they make absolutely no sense and border on paranoia.
 

shiner

Lifer
Jul 18, 2000
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: shinerburke
I married a Democrat. Her whole damn family(except her Dad) are pretty much socialists. I never understood why her parents got divorced until the whole political issue came up. Her Mom is WAAAAAAAAY to the left and her Dad is a fairly middle of the road conservative.

How do we deal with it? We don't talk about it much. Espeically taxes....damn she has some messed up ideas when it comes to taxes.

Of course I think a lot of her beliefs stem from the fact that she has never really worked a "real job" and is currently working on her Masters. I can't wait until she finishes next May. Should be interesting to see how/if her views change once she is working full time in the real world.

I married a democrat family too. My wife isn't hardcore but she does seem to have some old school democrat party things stuck in there. I have been working on her father and I'm 95% sure he's voting for Bush this time and I got him to actually talk politics in more than just soundbites like his dad does to me.(gramps is an old school socialist democrat - the kind that thinks they can change the world with more gov't programs and handouts) Also, my m-i-l is still up in the air - she's a democrat(or atleast thinks she is) but on every issue we talk about she seems to take the "Right" side. Dunno if she'll vote bush or not but I have her new husband to be leaning towards Bush and he's a dick gephardt democrat.

The thing is - when I first married my wife - politics were taboo - PERIOD. Good thing I don't follow other people's rules for themselves. It's been a fun and interesting road but I'm happy with the progress that's been made. The hardest part was to break down that "silent" wall - since then it's gotten better as there is more trust there.

CsG
In the beginning I tried talking to my wife's family about it....no go...... Her Dad was a corporate attorney and made assloads of $. Growing up my wife nor her brothers had any concept of $. Their Mom didn't work either. What did they do for $? Well there was a drawer in their Dad's nightstand where he put $ for them to use. They could come and get whatever they needed. Their Mom pretty much had an endless budget as well. I asked my father in law once how much $ he put in that drawer yearly....he said he knew exactly how much he put in there. The answer? $20k a year!! That was for 3 kids!! Can you imagine having access to your share of $20k a year growing up? It's no wonder the kids have no clue about $ and have a "let someone else take care of us attitude."

Honestly my wife isn't as bad as the rest of them. Her two brothers constantly blow my mind. Neither of them wants to work. One is the artistic type(40 years old by the way) and is always saying he shouldn't have to work to get by, he should be able to just do his drawings, etc...and the govt. should subsidize him. The other brother(45 years old)....well he just doesn't want to work. He recently found a job after being unemployed for nearly 2 years. The whole time he was unemployed he rarely bothered looking for a job. Drove me nuts. Of course he always complained about not having any $, but he never wanted to do anything about it.

The mother in law is the worst of the bunch. She came from a wealthy family, married a made man, never worked a day in her life. Well after the divorce she got the house, assloads of $, and an incredible amount of alimony. Just blows my mind. She still doesn't work, just flits around all day being a social butterfly and bitching about how hard life is. There have been several times I have wanted to slap her silly and tell her to STFU. One night not too long ago at dinner she was bitching about the economy and how hard it is to get by in the world. I couldn't take it anymore and finally blurted out "What the fvck do you know? You have never worked a damn day in your life!! You are nothing more than a leach on society!!!" She shut up and since then she doesn't talk anything political around me.

Anyway...what was my point? Bah...who cares? Guess I just needed to vent.

 

Infohawk

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Fvck 'em. That's #1. And I mean that literally and figuratively. Number #2: eventually dump them and definitely don't get married.
 

Rainsford

Lifer
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No offense, but this whole idea that relationships can't work with ideological differences says to me that you don't respect other viewpoints. I've dated people on both sides of the politcal spectrum, many of them far away from where I am. If we had had to agree on a candidate to save our lives, I don't think we could have. So you know how we made it work? We respected the other person's right to their viewpoint and only talked about it in very light discussion. Any sign it was turning ATP&N on us and one of us would just say, "I don't think we should talk about this any more."

The girl I'm currently "semi-dating" (stupid English not being precise enough ;)) is a hardcore Bush supporter and hates Kerry. I think she's wrong, but I respect her right to her own opinion, and we just don't talk about politics. It's not that hard...and I have no problem respecting someone I ideologically disagree with as long as they feel the same way about me.

Jeez, I think we need some more tolerance in this country if you guys can't have a relationship with someone who doesn't think exactly like you do.
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
There have been several times I have wanted to slap her silly and tell her to STFU. One night not too long ago at dinner she was bitching about the economy and how hard it is to get by in the world. I couldn't take it anymore and finally blurted out "What the fvck do you know? You have never worked a damn day in your life!! You are nothing more than a leach on society!!!" She shut up and since then she doesn't talk anything political around me.

Ummmm yeah...I really don't think the OP needs advice on this matter coming from you. You're obviously politically-challenged and have great difficulties with people who do not see things your way. Your M.I.L. has just as much right to her opinion as you have to yours, whether she's worked a day in her life or not. The simple fact that she's older than you should encourage you to respect her more than that.

The fact that you yelled and insulted her over her political views does not look good on you at all. I'm sure she feels the exact same way about you, and thinks you're greedy and selfish with no compassion for people struggling to get by (at least that's how I see most hard-line conservatives).
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: shinerburke
I married a Democrat. Her whole damn family(except her Dad) are pretty much socialists. I never understood why her parents got divorced until the whole political issue came up. Her Mom is WAAAAAAAAY to the left and her Dad is a fairly middle of the road conservative.

How do we deal with it? We don't talk about it much. Espeically taxes....damn she has some messed up ideas when it comes to taxes.

Of course I think a lot of her beliefs stem from the fact that she has never really worked a "real job" and is currently working on her Masters. I can't wait until she finishes next May. Should be interesting to see how/if her views change once she is working full time in the real world.

I married a democrat family too. My wife isn't hardcore but she does seem to have some old school democrat party things stuck in there. I have been working on her father and I'm 95% sure he's voting for Bush this time and I got him to actually talk politics in more than just soundbites like his dad does to me.(gramps is an old school socialist democrat - the kind that thinks they can change the world with more gov't programs and handouts) Also, my m-i-l is still up in the air - she's a democrat(or atleast thinks she is) but on every issue we talk about she seems to take the "Right" side. Dunno if she'll vote bush or not but I have her new husband to be leaning towards Bush and he's a dick gephardt democrat.

The thing is - when I first married my wife - politics were taboo - PERIOD. Good thing I don't follow other people's rules for themselves. It's been a fun and interesting road but I'm happy with the progress that's been made. The hardest part was to break down that "silent" wall - since then it's gotten better as there is more trust there.

CsG
In the beginning I tried talking to my wife's family about it....no go...... Her Dad was a corporate attorney and made assloads of $. Growing up my wife nor her brothers had any concept of $. Their Mom didn't work either. What did they do for $? Well there was a drawer in their Dad's nightstand where he put $ for them to use. They could come and get whatever they needed. Their Mom pretty much had an endless budget as well. I asked my father in law once how much $ he put in that drawer yearly....he said he knew exactly how much he put in there. The answer? $20k a year!! That was for 3 kids!! Can you imagine having access to your share of $20k a year growing up? It's no wonder the kids have no clue about $ and have a "let someone else take care of us attitude."

Honestly my wife isn't as bad as the rest of them. Her two brothers constantly blow my mind. Neither of them wants to work. One is the artistic type(40 years old by the way) and is always saying he shouldn't have to work to get by, he should be able to just do his drawings, etc...and the govt. should subsidize him. The other brother(45 years old)....well he just doesn't want to work. He recently found a job after being unemployed for nearly 2 years. The whole time he was unemployed he rarely bothered looking for a job. Drove me nuts. Of course he always complained about not having any $, but he never wanted to do anything about it.

The mother in law is the worst of the bunch. She came from a wealthy family, married a made man, never worked a day in her life. Well after the divorce she got the house, assloads of $, and an incredible amount of alimony. Just blows my mind. She still doesn't work, just flits around all day being a social butterfly and bitching about how hard life is. There have been several times I have wanted to slap her silly and tell her to STFU. One night not too long ago at dinner she was bitching about the economy and how hard it is to get by in the world. I couldn't take it anymore and finally blurted out "What the fvck do you know? You have never worked a damn day in your life!! You are nothing more than a leach on society!!!" She shut up and since then she doesn't talk anything political around me.

Anyway...what was my point? Bah...who cares? Guess I just needed to vent.

OMG, is your brother-in-law George W. Bush? I kid, I kid.
 

Kibbo

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Originally posted by: AntiEverything
Leave it to a liberal to get mean and nasty. And they say Republicans are hatemongers. :roll:

Thank you anti, for reminding us all that all the uncivilized comments we can find the web-over can be attributed to a liberal. You keep us honest.
 

AntiEverything

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Originally posted by: Kibbo
Originally posted by: AntiEverything
Leave it to a liberal to get mean and nasty. And they say Republicans are hatemongers. :roll:

Thank you anti, for reminding us all that all the uncivilized comments we can find the web-over can be attributed to a liberal. You keep us honest.

No, not all. Just half. I can't give you credit for all the hate. I'll gladly let liberals and conservatives share in it, like pigs in sh1t.
 

shiner

Lifer
Jul 18, 2000
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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: shinerburke
There have been several times I have wanted to slap her silly and tell her to STFU. One night not too long ago at dinner she was bitching about the economy and how hard it is to get by in the world. I couldn't take it anymore and finally blurted out "What the fvck do you know? You have never worked a damn day in your life!! You are nothing more than a leach on society!!!" She shut up and since then she doesn't talk anything political around me.

Ummmm yeah...I really don't think the OP needs advice on this matter coming from you. You're obviously politically-challenged and have great difficulties with people who do not see things your way. Your M.I.L. has just as much right to her opinion as you have to yours, whether she's worked a day in her life or not. The simple fact that she's older than you should encourage you to respect her more than that.

The fact that you yelled and insulted her over her political views does not look good on you at all. I'm sure she feels the exact same way about you, and thinks you're greedy and selfish with no compassion for people struggling to get by (at least that's how I see most hard-line conservatives).
You have no idea how much BS I have put up with from that woman. My wife has told me serveral times she can't believe that I take the abuse that I do from her Mom. Trust me....my reaction to her was mild compared to some of the stuff she has thrown my way. I lost my temper with her once....but trust me I have held it in check hundreds of times.
 

piasabird

Lifer
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True Love Conquers All. Love and politics does not matter. There have been many couples that have constantly voted differently that have managed to stay married.
 

Corn

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: shinerburke
There have been several times I have wanted to slap her silly and tell her to STFU. One night not too long ago at dinner she was bitching about the economy and how hard it is to get by in the world. I couldn't take it anymore and finally blurted out "What the fvck do you know? You have never worked a damn day in your life!! You are nothing more than a leach on society!!!" She shut up and since then she doesn't talk anything political around me.

Ummmm yeah...I really don't think the OP needs advice on this matter coming from you. You're obviously politically-challenged and have great difficulties with people who do not see things your way. Your M.I.L. has just as much right to her opinion as you have to yours, whether she's worked a day in her life or not. The simple fact that she's older than you should encourage you to respect her more than that.

The fact that you yelled and insulted her over her political views does not look good on you at all. I'm sure she feels the exact same way about you, and thinks you're greedy and selfish with no compassion for people struggling to get by (at least that's how I see most hard-line conservatives).
You have no idea how much BS I have put up with from that woman. My wife has told me serveral times she can't believe that I take the abuse that I do from her Mom. Trust me....my reaction to her was mild compared to some of the stuff she has thrown my way. I lost my temper with her once....but trust me I have held it in check hundreds of times.

Yep, was gonna say you were harsh.....then I thought about my first (and last) encounter with my father-in-law. Word to the wise....do not insult, belittle, or bring my wife to tears in my presence. I think he got the message after I dislodged his toupe'.
 

Zebo

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Do republicans girls put out? I only dated extreme liberals in college.
 

Moonbeam

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Most people marry the persons who have developed those aspects of the personality that are repressed.

The Liberal Conservative war is just the outer manifestation of an inner psychological war. The true self is trying to find a way to express itself and the ego is trying to keep that from happening. We live on the wheel of Karma because we are asleep to what is really going on.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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My mother is a pretty right wing conservative and my father is a moderate democrat .. they jus don't talk politics. :) The woman I'm 'sorta-not-really-kinda-half-seeing' is a decent bit more right than I am and I just try to hold my tongue when certain topics come up. :)
 

Kerouactivist

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Most people marry the persons who have developed those aspects of the personality that are repressed.

The Liberal Conservative war is just the outer manifestation of an inner psychological war. The true self is trying to find a way to express itself and the ego is trying to keep that from happening. We live on the wheel of Karma because we are asleep to what is really going on.

How do we wake up, to what is really going on?
 

PingSpike

Lifer
Feb 25, 2004
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Originally posted by: AntiEverything
Originally posted by: Kibbo
Originally posted by: AntiEverything
Leave it to a liberal to get mean and nasty. And they say Republicans are hatemongers. :roll:

Thank you anti, for reminding us all that all the uncivilized comments we can find the web-over can be attributed to a liberal. You keep us honest.

No, not all. Just half. I can't give you credit for all the hate. I'll gladly let liberals and conservatives share in it, like pigs in sh1t.

They can't say you don't live up to your title sir! :D
 

NesuD

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Oct 9, 1999
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Just relax and go with it. Mary Matalin is a Republican and she married old Snakehead (James Carville). If she can put up with Carville I am sure your girl should be able to overlook your faults as well.

;)
 

Perknose

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I couldn't imagine not choosing the warm, caring down home liberal heart of my late wife for a mate, but I do know that the world is not an extension of my personal opinions and experience.

I have come to understand that no one of us can stand on the outside of another's relationship and reliably understand, let alone prescribe, what the received orthodoxy should be. Matters of the heart (and by extension, the psyche), remain stubbornly outside the purview of mere logic. What two others see in each other is not ours to know.

There is a shop in New Hope, Pa. whose name neatly sums this up:

Love Saves the Day.
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
You have no idea how much BS I have put up with from that woman. My wife has told me serveral times she can't believe that I take the abuse that I do from her Mom. Trust me....my reaction to her was mild compared to some of the stuff she has thrown my way. I lost my temper with her once....but trust me I have held it in check hundreds of times.
It sounds like she just gives you a lot of :lips:.

As long as nothing was thrown at anyone, I suppose you're doing alright. You seem to be quite good with :cookie::cookie::cookie:. Maybe you should feed her some IRL. ;)
 

Kerouactivist

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Things are starting to heat up.....I don't think we are going to talk today....things haven't been looking good as election day has been drawing closer.

OTW it looks as though my little experiment may have failed