How to crimp rj45 cables??

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JustAnAverageGuy

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Fixed the second pic link:eek:

It's a bit out of focus though. Serves it's purpose though. Shows how much to have cut off and how far to put the wires in. :)

As for the crimper? I have no idea.

The camera? It's some credit card sized one I picked up at radioshack :p

Casio Exilim EX-Z3
 

jdini76

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Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
This is what the finished product should look like.

Made this one about two months ago.

Pic 1 (top)

Pic 2 (bottom)

Interesting. According to the way you are holding the cable. My scheme is backwards. I hold it facing up when I do the scheme. Am I wrong?
 

JustAnAverageGuy

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Originally posted by: jdini76
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
This is what the finished product should look like.

Made this one about two months ago.

Pic 1 (top)

Pic 2 (bottom)

Interesting. According to the way you are holding the cable. My scheme is backwards. I hold it facing up when I do the scheme. Am I wrong?

I honestly couldn't tell you. That's the second cable I ever made by hand. All I know is that it works and I've never had problems with it. I've done it backwards before too. Copper is copper as far as your computer is concerned.

I'll go look at one of my store bought cables and check though.

*edit*

Nope, You're right. I did it backwards. As long as you do it wrong on both sides though, it doesn't matter.
 

trend

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I use the recommended cable layout.. and still my computer doesn't get an ip..


GRRRRRRRR

I just don't know
 

jdini76

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Originally posted by: trend
I use the recommended cable layout.. and still my computer doesn't get an ip..


GRRRRRRRR

I just don't know

Is you NIC working? can you ping the local host?

ping 127.0.0.1

if so, Try using a cable that you absolutly know works.

When making your own cables make sure the wires are firmly push in as far as possible.
 

trend

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I will try replugging it in... but i know the nic works (the nic is the main nic in my desktop copmuter)
 

eelw

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Originally posted by: trend
I use the recommended cable layout.. and still my computer doesn't get an ip..


GRRRRRRRR

I just don't know

As I said already, only use 2 pairs of wires and only use pins 1, 2, 3 and 6. If you screw up this, just quit and buy premade cables instead.
 

trend

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Yeah, that is what my mom said when I first tried to walk.. I couldn't, so she said welp.. just stay crawling all your life ;)


Yeah.. the issue was a blown port on my linksys switch... And the reaosn I didn't know there was an issue is because there is a black piece of electrical tape over the front leds (so I can sleep a little bit better)



thanks all for the help!

Lee
 

Kenazo

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On a somewhat related note, do all 8 wires on a cat5 get used by the computer? Or is it like telephone where there's usually 6 wires but on a single line phone only 2 actually get used actively, the other 2 pairs are for more lines.
 

trend

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No the other lines are unused... That is where POE (power over ethernet) comes into play..

YOu can actually power low mA devices over the unused cables.

So lets say for example you have a router or another device that is far away from a power source, you can just insert to the cat5 cable near an outlet and then have the router pick that up at the router..


Also, where do you'll get the 'good' connectors? Gold plated, and actually fit NICE into people's nic slot?

My problem is, some of the other connectors I got do not fit snug in there.. ro to snug.. and some do not click in..

What is a good price per connector?
 

TGS

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Keys to crimping:

1) Make sure you can see the copper at the end of the connector
2) Use the proper color schemes
3) ...
4) Profit
 

RaynorWolfcastle

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I don't understand why people want to crimp their own cables for home use. Ethernet cables cost $5 at any local computing store and you're not going to use that many in your house... I don't why you would go through the trouble of making your own.
 

Viper GTS

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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
I don't understand why people want to crimp their own cables for home use. Ethernet cables cost $5 at any local computing store and you're not going to use that many in your house... I don't why you would go through the trouble of making your own.

So you aren't stuck dealing with store bought lengths.

I have cable run all over the place tacked to the wall, I don't want to deal with 10' of cable left on the end of my 40' run when all I could buy was 50'.

Viper GTS
 

Leper Messiah

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Good for LAN parties. 1000ft of CAT5e is like $100 max. Some connectors, and a little bit of time, and you're set.
 

cubby1223

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If you do not follow the correct pairing of cables, then you will only get 10mbit speeds, will never connect at 100mbit successfully. And push the cables into the end piece as much as you can, and squeeze those crimpers as hard as you possibly can.

My initial problems when I started making cables was not squeezing hard enough.
 

trend

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I was suprised.. I bought 1000ft of cat5e from lowes for $50.. well the bin label said $50.. but it rang up $60, so I got it for the old price...


Yeah, custom lengths is nice.. but the big issue us.. 50ft of cable at best buy (premade cable) is $30 or so

I figure, I make a cable in $8 minutes, and keep that $30

 

tami

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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
I don't understand why people want to crimp their own cables for home use. Ethernet cables cost $5 at any local computing store and you're not going to use that many in your house... I don't why you would go through the trouble of making your own.

well, i use a laptop, and for my laptop which i treat as a desktop (no downtime, nothing), i prefer a cabled setup over a wireless setup. i also move the laptop around and sometimes people trip on the cable. eventually, a cable goes bad -- but not really, because all i need to do is cut off the bad part of the cable and crimp again. why should i spend $5 for a new cable when i already have all the tools and just need to put effort into it myself?

plus, you can also sell them for $2 and people will love you.
 

Leper Messiah

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
If you do not follow the correct pairing of cables, then you will only get 10mbit speeds, will never connect at 100mbit successfully. And push the cables into the end piece as much as you can, and squeeze those crimpers as hard as you possibly can.

My initial problems when I started making cables was not squeezing hard enough.

EH?

You'll get some cross talk, but I don't think you'll be so bad to get 10Mb with 5e at normal home lengths even if you use some homebrew scheme.
 

EULA

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ugh, I'd like to see someone find a 100ft crossover cable in a store...
 

cmv

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Cable tester is overboard for home users unless you really suck. Just take the time to follow a standard and do a good job. My method:

Take about 1" to 1.25" of cable sheathing off of each end and then unroll the wires so that you can wiggle them to a flat layer while holding the wires as they will go into the RJ45 jack between thumb and index finger. Then trim off enough so that the sheath has at least 1/8" to 1/10" of sheathing past the plastic part that holds the cable on the RJ45 jack. Press the wires up into the jack and look at them from the other side. Are they all lined up? Can you see copper hitting the front side of the jack? If so, crimpt it. Otherewise pull out and trim them straight across again.
 

LeetViet

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I had to learn how to crimp cables for my CCNA class. Took me 3 tries to get it right.
 

ScottMac

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OK now, pay attention, this is important:

There are exactly two acceptable color orders/pair orders, both are considered standard:

EIA/TIA 568a:
White-Green, Green, White-orange, Blue, White-blue, Blue, Orange, White-Brown, Brown

Eia/TIA 568b:
White-orange, Orange, White-Green, Blue, White-blue, Green, White-Brown, Brown

This is with the clip down, open end toward your body (orange or green on the left side).

Pair order / color order MATTERS. All four pair should be terminated because 1) that's the standard and 2) you look like a flaming idiot trying to line up only four of the eight little wires and getting them in the right spot in the connector (the other fur wires act as placeholders, if nothing else).

Next: If you were to create a cable with a pair order of <pair> <pair> <pair> <pair> , regardless of what the colors are, then you will have a "split pair" on pins 3&6 and the cable will probably work at 10Meg, might work (but poorly) at 100Half, and probably won't work at all (or really suck) at 100Full.

Ethernet uses pins 1, 2, 3, 6 ... if you use pair|pair|pair|pair, the you are using one wire of a pair (pin 3) and another wire of another pair(pin 6) and you lose all the benefits of the "Twisted Pair" - mostly (but not only) the crosstalk suppression.

It won't matter if it's a short cable, or a long cable, the crosstalk will severely inhibit the performance of the cable.

The performance of the cable will (at the least) SUCK mightily. And, since it takes no additonal effort to put the little wires in the right order, you have to be plain flat stupid to not use the right color order.

Choosing the right pair order but using different colors is also a really ignorant, stupid, bad idea (at least up to Cat5e). The manufacturers are expecting that the standrds will be followed, and so they qualify only the orange and green pair for high-speed data(especially the cheaper cabling ... better quality stuff is probably qualified on all four pair). The "Certified to meet Category XX specification" only applies if you FOLLOW THE FRIGGIN' STANDARDS.

Next, there can only be 1/2 inch of exposed wires, and only 1/2 inch are allowed to be untwisted (this is a maximum for up to Cat5e, and, if possible, the twist should be maintained up to the crimp. The jacketing should be crimped into the strain relief dimple near the rear of the connector - Cat6 is 3/8" MAX) The 1/2" (or 3/8") exposed and the 1/2" (or 3/8") are the same 1/2" (or 3/8") inch .... not 1/2" (or 3/8") inch untwisted and another 1/2" (or 3/8") of exposure.

And, since this is already a long ugly post, keep in mind that the distance spec (100 meters end-to-end) breaks down like this: you can have 90 meters of SOLID CORE cabling "in-the-wall" with up to 5 meters of STRANDED jumper cordage at each end.

The distance recommendation is based on the losses of solid-conductor cabling compared to stranded. Stranded-conductor cabling has much higher loss, and worse crosstalk figures than the solid core stuff. Stranded can handle the flexion better than solid core.

For the "I didn't do it that way and it works fine for me" folks .... STFU. Go fix your cables and hope your family's automobile mechanic doesn't have that attitude. Do it by spec, do it right, it doesn't take any extra effort .... so even a college student can (usually) accomplish this basic manual task.

FWIW

Scott