How to check MOB's capacitors?

GEOrifle

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Hi. I have several nonworking MOB's, some of them are new ones but without warranty.
Some of MOB's don't working but light is on and fan moves litle, some-just don't shows
nothing.
I know problems shuuld be a lot but how i got most of the problems coming from bad
capacitors. It's hard to find out wich one is broken-damaged (shown clean).
It's any possible ways to find damaged one?
 

RebateMonger

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I've had a lot of motherboard capacitor failures over the years. In my experience, they've all been power capacitors. Replacing any visibly damaged capacitors (bulged or leaking) has always brought the board back to life.

Power capacitors are somewhat redundant and motherboards can usually function OK with one or more showing damage. Eventually, though, you'll get several damaged caps and the board will show serious problems.
 

GEOrifle

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Originally posted by: GEOrifle
Hi. I have several nonworking MOB's, some of them are new ones but without warranty.
Some of MOB's don't working but light is on and fan moves litle, some-just don't shows
nothing.
I know problems shuuld be a lot but how i got most of the problems coming from bad
capacitors. It's hard to find out wich one is broken-damaged (shown clean).
It's any possible ways to find damaged one?


Thanks, thise is real talk because all my CAP's looking good and i need to now where are located "POWER CAPACITORS" EXACTLY ? Near CPU or AGP or something else?
Or just BIGEST ones?
 

RebateMonger

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They are often near the CPU and they will usually be the biggest ones, all in a row. I don't know of any way to test them unless you de-solder them and test them individually. It's very unlikely that they are worth the effort.
 

nineball9

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Originally posted by: GEOrifle
How to check removed CAP's? Any Device?
You can use a capacitance meter to measure the value of a cap but quite frankly, standard cap meters are not all that useful. They will give you a capacitance reading of any type of cap but they don't tell you much about the condition of electrolytics excepting the ones which are totally gonzo. Also, electrolytics tend to read higher than their rated capacitance, but determining a good or bad reading is something one learns from experience.

I have an old BK capacitance meter and use it on occasion. Years ago I was repairing a TV, found what I thought was a leaky cap, unsoldered it, tested it with the cap meter and found it to be ok. Soldered it back in and did some further troubleshooting. Powered on the TV to do some voltage checks and something went POP! Eventually I discovered that I had soldered the cap in backwards, reversing the polarity. Pulling the cap again, I found smoke residue underneath it. Curious, I tested the cap again with the cap meter - it read fine even though it was obviously blown!

Soon after that incident I bought an ESR meter. ESR meters only work on electrolytics and they don't measure the capacitance of the cap, but they are great for locating bad electrolytics. They also work well in-circuit which speeds up troubleshooting.

I own this one from Electronic Design Specialists but there are other brands around. I have no idea what it costs today.
Good luck!
 

GEOrifle

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So bad, CapAnalyzer 88A Series II cost $200.
You don't know any cheaper place to buy?
 

GEOrifle

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I'm allready the member of site since 2006 february but i don't wana spend $200 for device. I was thinking it should be some trick, noone knows.
 

nineball9

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There's the old hair dryer trick, but that's hit-or-miss at best and probably won't be fruitful. ygpm
 

bruceb

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I used to do tv / vcr work also, so I have a Sencore LC75 Capacitor / Inductor Analyzer
Cost over $1000 .. but it will tell you all you want to know about a cap or coil
And it will test Leakage & Equivalent Series Resistance which is critical in HIgh Frequency circuits

I did a tv once with a bad Vert Output IC ... changed it .. set worked for a day and it came back
My cap tester nailed it down to a bad electrolytic cap in the vert output feedback circuit .. changed
cap and chip again .. works fine now
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Capacitor ESR is what is important and the caps that serve the proc are in parallel.
A $100 ESR meter can check caps inplace but not when they are in parallel.
The cheapest solution is to change all electrolytic caps 8mm in diameter or larger.
 

Navid

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Usually when a capacitor is damaged, one of two things happens.
It either becomes a short or a complete open. More on this later!


A short can easily be detected using a cheap multi-meter. You can even test for that with the capacitor still soldered on the printed circuit board (PCB)!

An open is difficult to test since a functional capacitor acts open for DC current anyway. However, a capacitor that has a relatively high capacitance, which most electrolytic caps do, behaves differently than a simple open.

If you measure the resistance of a capacitor with high capacitance, the meter shows a low resistance for a moment and then the reading goes up to infinity. This happens because the capacitor gets charged by the Ohm meter! While the capacitor is being charged, the Ohm meter thinks that it is measuring a resistor!
If you then reverse the meter probes on the cap, the same thing happens again. This time, the capacitor is charged with the opposite polarity. This should be safe since the current an Ohm meter provides is quite limited.
You may need to try this using different scales on the Ohm meter (this would effectively change the current that charges the cap) to see this effect. You need a low enough charging current so that charging takes long enough for the meter to react to.

A capacitor that behaves this way is not open. An open cap simply reads infinity all the time. So, this is a way to tell if the cap still acts as a cap or it is just open.

Keep in mind that if you are testing a cap while it is still soldered on a PCB, it may be in parallel with a resistor or a transistor. Then, some Ohm meter scales will be useless. For example, if you have a 10-Ohm resistor in parallel with the cap, the meter is always going to show 10 Ohms. All scales like 1MOhm, 100kOhms, 10kOhms even 1kOhm will be useless. And if the behavior I described only occurs with those scales for the capacitor in question, you are out of luck and you will only be able to test the cap if you remove it from the PCB.

A capacitor with small capacitance like 100pF will not behave this way because it gets charged so rapidly that the meter cannot react and only shows open. So, for a small cap, you definitely need a capacitor meter. But, Electrolytic caps, which are the ones that bulge, are used when high capacity is required.

It is extremely rare for a capacitor to get damaged and the damage manifests as a change to the capacity. I mean, as I said, the capacitor either gets shorted or opened. But, if this happens (capacity change but not short or open), the tests I mentioned, using a multi-meter, may give you wrong impressions. This means that the test I described may be useful as long as you know its limitations, and reasoning behind it.

Edit:
Believe me, I am trying to keep it short!!!!

I forgot to say that in general, there is always leakage you have to keep in mind specially for Electrolytic caps. So, if you increase the Ohm meter scale to something like 20MOhms, you may see that the reading never goes all the way up to infinity. This does not necessarily mean that the cap is damaged. It only means that the meter is measuring leakage.
 

GEOrifle

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Thanks, all Cap's looking good, thise means they are "SHORT" and i need some device to ident. damaged ones.
You said multimeter can test damaged cap?(A short can easily be detected using a cheap multi-meter.) Even if it's still on board?
 

Navid

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Originally posted by: GEOrifle
Thanks, all Cap's looking good, thise means they are "SHORT" and i need some device to ident. damaged ones.
You said multimeter can test damaged cap?(A short can easily be detected using a cheap multi-meter.) Even if it's still on board?

I'm not sure if you are serious.
 

GEOrifle

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Here you go:

"A short can easily be detected using a cheap multi-meter. You can even test for that with the capacitor still soldered on the printed circuit board (PCB)! "
 

Navid

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What I described is not an accurate measurement method by any means. It is only a way that may help you identify severely damaged capacitors.

Measuring any component while it is still soldered on a PCB makes the measurement complicated. You should never do that unless you understand how other components on the board affect the measurement results.

You can read about how a capacitor meter works on line. This is just an example.
http://www.automotivedesignline.com/how...ionid=Y5GMN13Z3KIP0QSNDLQSKHSCJUNN2JVN