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rahvin

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Originally posted by: notfred
That's awesome. I want a laser cell-phone gambling machine.

Google is worthless for the Nevada gaming laws but I believe using a computer to assist you in the game is illegal and will land your ass in prison for cheating. So I wouldn't recommend trying this in Nevada.
 
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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Wait until this hits America.

Cell phones will be banned from the casino gaming areas. Already banned in Sportsbooks.
afaik you cant have them out at the tables either

 

Megatomic

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I question the illegality of "cheating" in a casino, especially when it is done in this fashion.

Yeah, I feel really badly for the standup citizens who own/operate these fine establishments. :)
 

Wallydraigle

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Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: calvinbiss
how much did it cost to develop and manufactor this device? These peeps are smart!!

surely!! this is why i'd take knowledge over money. can make money off knowledge...cant make knowledge off money...well you CAN go to college with money...but if one already has money i dont think he/she will bother going to college



Besides being insanely brilliant they also have enormous balls :Q! Even the chick.

On another note I wonder what kind of hit has been put out on them.
 

RaDragon

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...impounded the cash and mobile phones.

How did they get to keep the money?

It's an interesting article, nonetheless. I'm sure, if they were smarter, they would've just stopped one night and moved on to another casino. :)
 

fs5

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Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot

Cell phones will be banned from the casino gaming areas. Already banned in Sportsbooks.
afaik you cant have them out at the tables either

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Yup, can't answer a phone at the bj tables in vegas... Although at Garden City in San Jose they don't seem to have a problem with it.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Wait until this hits America.

Cell phones will be banned from the casino gaming areas. Already banned in Sportsbooks.
afaik you cant have them out at the tables either


True, I was more refering to line of sight of the tables from anywhere in the casino.
Already, Vegas does not like line of sight activity for the sports book.

One could be at a bar, slot machine or just standing around aiming this toy at the wheel and passing the predictions to a confederate.
 

brtspears2

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Originally posted by: fs5
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot

Cell phones will be banned from the casino gaming areas. Already banned in Sportsbooks.
afaik you cant have them out at the tables either

Yup, can't answer a phone at the bj tables in vegas... Although at Garden City in San Jose they don't seem to have a problem with it.[/quote]

Most casinos don't want you to use a cell phone anywhere in the casino but the bar, bathroom, buffet, and other non-gaming restarants. I believe The Garden City doesn't care about the outcome of the game, as that is a card club/room, where they collect comission on every hand.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Already banned in Sportsbooks.

Why?

To easy for someone to get information to an associate before the book knows about it.

Then a bet could be placed before the line is adjusted.


A similar sitution happened a couple of weeks ago. Toledo QB left the field holding his throwing arm.
The line initially opened for the second half favoring Toledo. Big money jumped in and the line immediately shifted to favor Miami-Ohio.

When the TV showed the Toledo QB warming up, the line started shifting slightly back away from Miami-Ohio.

If you had some-one at the game who saw the QB come out and pick up the ball, you could have gained an extra 20% on your payout before the line shifted. The big money was already screwed, they paid put it against Toledo.

Those of us that had confidence in Toledo figured that the QB would influence the line and waited until the line had shifted (we felt that Toledo was a second half team) and made out like a bandit on the initial line shift. $10 paid $13 for a straight bet, paid $44 for the over parlay
 

Armitage

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Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: notfred
That's awesome. I want a laser cell-phone gambling machine.

Google is worthless for the Nevada gaming laws but I believe using a computer to assist you in the game is illegal and will land your ass in prison for cheating. So I wouldn't recommend trying this in Nevada.

Yea, I'm guessing in the US it would be illegal, and even if its not, you'd better make your money the first time out and disapear.
 

joecool

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that is very cool some damn smart people. however i don't see how they could win given the odds were still against them - they just improved from 37-1 to 6-1. they still should have lost 5 times out of 6.
 

BentValve

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Ahh yes but the payout is $35 for a $1 bet ...cover 10 numbers for $10 each costs $100 , payback is $350 + your $10 bet back.

By those 6:1 odds there payout is almost guaranteed.

 

BentValve

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To put it in simpler terms 6:1 odds is for a single number bet, bet an equal amount on the 6 estimated numbers and the odds become 1:1.

 

amoeba

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the reason they only made 100,000 on the first night is probably because they didn't have the bankroll.

By the second night, they can use the 100,000 they made the first night as their bankroll.
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: amoeba
the reason they only made 100,000 on the first night is probably because they didn't have the bankroll.

By the second night, they can use the 100,000 they made the first night as their bankroll.

Gotta give them credit for going slow enough that it took the casino two days to catch on, and even at the end of the two days the casino wasn't sure what they had done.

It's safe to say they won't be welcome in any casino in the world not to mention I doubt the 1.3million pounds will buy them the protection they will need from organized crime. Someone with a lot of friends is going to want that technology and they likely speak russian.
 

amoeba

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Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: amoeba
the reason they only made 100,000 on the first night is probably because they didn't have the bankroll.

By the second night, they can use the 100,000 they made the first night as their bankroll.

Gotta give them credit for going slow enough that it took the casino two days to catch on, and even at the end of the two days the casino wasn't sure what they had done.

It's safe to say they won't be welcome in any casino in the world not to mention I doubt the 1.3million pounds will buy them the protection they will need from organized crime. Someone with a lot of friends is going to want that technology and they likely speak russian.



they can just sell it to organized crime. why buy protection?


or better yet. sell it to the casinos and become rich consultants.





 

dxkj

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Originally posted by: joecool
that is very cool some damn smart people. however i don't see how they could win given the odds were still against them - they just improved from 37-1 to 6-1. they still should have lost 5 times out of 6.


37 to 1 almost lets you break even if you bet on everything, 6 to 1 lets you gain ($bet * 36) - ($bet * 36) = 30 * $bet profit each time.


Example. $10 bet on 6 different spots. Costs you $60, you win $360 dollars, $300 profit (which is 30 times the bet).

Try that math a few times and see how you do :)
 

yoda291

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erm it occurs to me if they altered the ball or chromed it, it could likely throw off the laser's readings enough to make them inaccurate, causing cheaters to bet poorly. Kind of like how counting cards badly gives the house a bigger edge than basic.
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: maziwanka
How they did it

A laser scanner concealed within a mobile phone and pointed at the roulette wheel measures the speed of the ball as the croupier releases it and where it first lands on the wheel from the croupier's hand.

The scanner also analyses the declining orbit of the ball as it begins to lose momentum and spin in smaller circles.
By recording one revolution of the wheel the scanner can calculate the rate the ball and wheel, which has been spun in the opposite direction, are slowing at.

It then beams these factors to a separate microcomputer which analyses the thousands of possible spin simulations and sends a message back to the mobile phone indicating the most likely landing quarter on the wheel.

The high-speed calculations by the microcomputer allow the gambler to place a bet on several numbers before the third spin of the wheel, by which time the croupier calls "no more bets"

Estimates suggest the device can cut the odds on winning from 37-1 to 6-1.

that is freaking awesome.


Indeed it is.

BUT I read it a few months back in a newspaper in England.

Originally posted by: dquan97
Maybe ebay has it

Muahahahaha

Clever serbs!

Got to put it to them they were smart with their idea.

Lets see the might of AT do something like this :D

Instead of a mobile you could have the laser up your sleeve. The data sent back to someone else. Then a beeper in the guys pocket or radio transmitter on his leg tapping the 'numbers' back to him. Or if he knew morse code that would be better :D

Koing