How to break healthcare

[Jhhnn]

Repeal the ACA, of course!

Republican legislation that guts the Affordable Care Act would cause 18 million people to lose their insurance and would increase premiums of individual plans by about 20 to 25 percent, all within a year of being enacted, a report released today by the Congressional Budget Office estimates.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2017...ng-plan-18m-lose-insurance-and-premiums-rise/

Somebody explain to me how Repub leaders convinced their base that they want this... I mean, we all know their replacement plan is vaporware...

 

[brianmanahan]

i know several people who hate buying health insurance (because they "don't need it") and just want to go without insurance AND without the penalty

 

[uclaLabrat]

I'd love for the right to see the shitstorm they precipitate when they repeal the ACA. People who voted against their interests are going to seriously enjoy the major assfucking they'll get when they lose their insurance or see their premiums spike.

Conservatives have no possible way to replace the ACA that will pass through their party. Hell, they're already hooting and hollering to dismantle a plan that was already 95% their own idea anyway.

 

[Paratus]

I'd love for the right to see the shitstorm they precipitate when they repeal the ACA. People who voted against their interests are going to seriously enjoy the major assfucking they'll get when they lose their insurance or see their premiums spike.

Conservatives have no possible way to replace the ACA that will pass through their party. Hell, they're already hooting and hollering to dismantle a plan that was already 95% their own idea anyway.

It'll probably be a big one if this Q&A about the future of Obamacare with this Colorado Republican is any indication.

He had a police escort get him out.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slat...vent_early_as_constituents_ask_about_aca.html

On Saturday, Republican Rep. Mike Coffman held an event for his constituents at a public library in Aurora, Colorado. At least 150 constituents showed up, most of them hoping to ask Coffman about his recent vote to repeal the Affordable Care Act and his plans for a replacement. But only about 70 people got to meet with Coffman: Despite booking a large room with ample space, Coffman allowed in only four constituents at once for five minutes at a time. When the crowd grew restless, police put up crime scene tape and Coffman snuck out the back door—six minutes before the event was scheduled to end.

 

[Darwin333]

Wait, the passage of ACA has so far depressed individual insurance plans by 20 to 25 percent? That is a fuckton for it being in effect for so little time and premiums continuing to rise. Sure you could argue they would have risen more but 20-25%?

 

[Meghan54]

Wait, the passage of ACA has so far depressed individual insurance plans by 20 to 25 percent? That is a fuckton for it being in effect for so little time and premiums continuing to rise. Sure you could argue they would have risen more but 20-25%?

If the Repubs. in Congress had actually provided adequate backstop payments like they were written into the ACA from the beginning instead of only paying approx. 12% of what the ins. cos. submitted, that would have gone very, very far to preventing both the massive premium hikes and ins. cos. fleeing the ACA exchanges.

The backstop payments were put into place to reduce the risk exposure ins. cos. and everyone else knew would be high in the first few years as the sickest finally obtained insurance and began utilizing it. It was going to take a few years for that to settle out and usage to calm down. But rather than fund that provision of the ACA properly, it wasn't.

And that's sort of surprising, I suppose, because the exact same backstop funding for the Medicare Part D, the Prescription Drug ins. that was passed in 2006 by Geo. Bush and a Repub.-led Congress, was fully funded. And today, few would call the Part D marketplace in shambles or a failure. It, instead, appears thriving and healthy with numerous ins. cos. vying for participants.

The same could have taken place except for the total obstruction by the Repubs. in Congress, who were determined to have the ACA fail, no matter who it hurt.

Sad, really.

 

[boomerang]

The article has no relevance to anything because the CBO did their scoring based basically on conjecture. No changes have been made at this time.

A little more than a year ago, the Congressional Budget Office and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimated the budgetary effects of H.R. 3762, the Restoring Americans’ Healthcare Freedom Reconciliation Act of 2015, which would repeal portions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) eliminating, in two steps, the law’s mandate penalties and subsidies but leaving the ACA’s insurance market reforms in place.

The bolding is mine. Would, not has.

Take a deep breath and try to remain calm. But do know that there will be changes and even with those changes the sun will continue to rise every morning.

 

[Paratus]

The article has no relevance to anything because the CBO did their scoring based basically on conjecture. No changes have been made at this time.

The bolding is mine. Would, not has.

Take a deep breath and try to remain calm. But do know that there will be changes and even with those changes the sun will continue to rise every morning.

Well except for those who'll die because loss of insurance will mean they die from treatable diseases they couldn't afford to have treated.

But eggs and omelettes.

 

[PokerGuy]

hahaha, so this is part of the hysterical push on how the world is going to end if obummercare gets tossed. Oh my goodness, how did the world possibly work before obummercare was crammed in?? Time to get that doomsday bunker prepped!

Typical lefty hysteria.

 

[Jhhnn]

hahaha, so this is part of the hysterical push on how the world is going to end if obummercare gets tossed. Oh my goodness, how did the world possibly work before obummercare was crammed in?? Time to get that doomsday bunker prepped!

Typical lefty hysteria.

Yeh, that CBO is a buncha leftists.

 

[boomerang]

Typical lefty hysteria.

No shit. I just can't imagine what it's like to be in such a constant state of agitation based on feelings that have little basis in anything remotely resembling reality. The left is convinced that Obamacare is perfect as it exists, that it must not and cannot be changed and that any changes will have cataclysmic results.

The media leads these people around by the nose. They believe they are deep thinkers but they are only reacting to input from sources that both know how to control them and are very willing to do so. It's fucking sad, but it's the reality we face.

Citing a CBO score on legislative changes that were proposed, that are not in effect and getting emotional about it is a symptom of a greater problem.

 

[brycejones]

CBO scoring is fake news and should never be used to determine the impact of legislation before it becomes law.

Or at least that appears to be what pokerguy and boomerang are saying.

 

[Jhhnn]

No shit. I just can't imagine what it's like to be in such a constant state of agitation based on feelings that have little basis in anything remotely resembling reality. The left is convinced that Obamacare is perfect as it exists, that it must not and cannot be changed and that any changes will have cataclysmic results.

The media leads these people around by the nose. They believe they are deep thinkers but they are only reacting to input from sources that both know how to control them and are very willing to do so. It's fucking sad, but it's the reality we face.

Citing a CBO score on legislative changes that were proposed, that are not in effect and getting emotional about it is a symptom of a greater problem.

Nobody said the ACA is perfect. You demonstrate a willful disconnect from reality in making that claim.

Repubs are not pushing for changes or improvements but rather repeal. They claim they'll replace it with something better but they obviously don't even have a clue as to a plan. I'm baffled as to what their voters think they'll get out of it other than more ways to get screwed.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Doom and gloom, doom and gloom.

If the new law allows people to have the same coverage with lower deductibles and premiums there will be an improvement from the current ACA.

 

[Bitek]

CBO scoring is fake news and should never be used to determine the impact of legislation before it becomes law.

Or at least that appears to be what pokerguy and boomerang are saying.

It's exactly that sort of thinking that is slowly marching the GOP and the ins market of a cliff.

The replacement plan is vaporware.

All we have now is the repeal bills which area headed towards passage.
The repeal plan cannot even describe the high level bullet points of what it will contain, and PEOTUS contradicts himself on the goals and timetable on a daily basis.
There is nothing fit the CBO to evaluate.

Beyond that, there is no legislative path for a workable plan as it will require 60 votes.

This is the most accurate reflection of reality on the current path.

 

[Jhhnn]

Doom and gloom, doom and gloom.

If the new law allows people to have the same coverage with lower deductibles and premiums there will be an improvement from the current ACA.

What new law do you speak of, Kemosabe?

Did you perchance make a pre-construction investment in a Trump Baja condo?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

What new law do you speak of, Kemosabe?

Did you perchance make a pre-construction investment in a Trump Baja condo?

Unlike you I'm waiting to see what comes forth from the President/GOP instead of putting forth doom and gloom FUD.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's exactly that sort of thinking that is slowly marching the GOP and the ins market of a cliff.

The replacement plan is vaporware.

All we have now is the repeal bills which area headed towards passage.
The repeal plan cannot even describe the high level bullet points of what it will contain, and PEOTUS contradicts himself on the goals and timetable on a daily basis.
There is nothing fit the CBO to evaluate.

Beyond that, there is no legislative path for a workable plan as it will require 60 votes.

This is the most accurate reflection of reality on the current path.

It's driven by ideology rather than reality. Gubmint dependency is Bad, Mkay?

It might almost make sense if the fabled jerb creators were as reliable as they'd like for us to believe. The only reliable quality we can expect from them is greed & the only actions greater automation & offshoring to satisfy it.

 

[fskimospy]

The article has no relevance to anything because the CBO did their scoring based basically on conjecture. No changes have been made at this time.

The bolding is mine. Would, not has.

Take a deep breath and try to remain calm. But do know that there will be changes and even with those changes the sun will continue to rise every morning.

Estimating the impact of bills so that they can be voted on in an informed matter is literally the whole point of the CBO.

The fact that you think this makes their analysis irrelevant is baffling in its total stupidity.

 

[fskimospy]

hahaha, so this is part of the hysterical push on how the world is going to end if obummercare gets tossed. Oh my goodness, how did the world possibly work before obummercare was crammed in?? Time to get that doomsday bunker prepped!

Typical lefty hysteria.

The CBO is run by Republicans, genius.

 

[fskimospy]

Wait, the passage of ACA has so far depressed individual insurance plans by 20 to 25 percent? That is a fuckton for it being in effect for so little time and premiums continuing to rise. Sure you could argue they would have risen more but 20-25%?

Pretty simple, you repeal the individual mandate with this bill but they can't repeal community rating because they don't have 60 votes. That means healthy people will exit the insurance pool and only buy insurance when they get sick. Fewer healthy people paying in means higher premiums. To me 25% seems like a conservative estimate.

 

[soulcougher73]

Some of them dont even realize they are on ACA.....
http://www.dailydot.com/unclick/obamacare-aca-trump-supporter-viral/

 

[Jhhnn]

Unlike you I'm waiting to see what comes forth from the President/GOP instead of putting forth doom and gloom FUD.

Please. Repubs don't have a clue, let alone a plan. Any plan that can deliver will necessarily involve some redistribution to which they are ideologically opposed. They have principles, Goddamit, greed being first & foremost among them.

 

[Jhhnn]

Pretty simple, you repeal the individual mandate with this bill but they can't repeal community rating because they don't have 60 votes. That means healthy people will exit the insurance pool and only buy insurance when they get sick. Fewer healthy people paying in means higher premiums. To me 25% seems like a conservative estimate.

Yep. It's short sighted greed. Shirk paying part of the load only to be priced out when you might need it because everybody else is pulling the same shit. When health insurance is only for sick people then nobody will have it.

 

[PokerGuy]

The CBO is run by Republicans, genius.

..... I didn't say anything about the CBO or who runs it, genius. Standard eski-m.o. time again?