How to Activate Hardware PhysX to play with an ATI Video Card

[BenSkywalker]

You made the claim so the burden of proof is with you.

If you believe it or not has no impact at all on my day. If you want to know, ask them yourself. I know the truth, you can find out if you want or talk to yourself about who has what burden.

I simply claimed there?s widespread success and that there?s no obvious reason why nVidia is blocking, other than for artificial reasons.

You don't like my strawman so you'll use your own. It isn't obvious, so there is no reason not to support it.

Even if that?s the case, it?s absolutely irrelevant to the article clearly demonstrating the PPU won?t work on an XP box with newer drivers unless the ATi card removed, but it works fine with the ATi card on older drivers, which is something you denied last time.

Quote me denying it then. I haven't edited my posts since you made this one, so it should be trivial.

But it wasn?t discontinued, because the article clearly demonstrated it functions when the ATi card is removed.

Huh? Do you know what discontinued means?

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

If you believe it or not has no impact at all on my day. If you want to know, ask them yourself. I know the truth, you can find out if you want or talk to yourself about who has what burden.

How do you know the truth exactly? Have you examined the driver code? Have you had direct confirmation from ATi? Have you read an article exposing the matter?

That?s all I?m asking for - proof of your claims. Do you feel this is somehow an unreasonable or unusual request?

You don't like my strawman so you'll use your own. It isn't obvious, so there is no reason not to support it.

I have absolutely no idea what you?re talking about, or what you?re even trying to say.

Quote me denying it then. I haven't edited my posts since you made this one, so it should be trivial.

From this thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=31&threadid=2325387

08/10/2009 08:59 AM

nVidia's stand alone physics cards are reportedly still working with ATi boards so yes, it is very much exactly the same thing.

Edited: 08/10/2009 at 09:00 AM by BenSkywalker

08/10/2009 01:02 PM

At this point it is working with PPUs.

Edited: 08/10/2009 at 01:05 PM by BenSkywalker

Also in response to people asking you for proof about the AIW situation:

08/10/2009 01:54 PM

No problem, just as soon as someone posts proof that nV is breaking PhysX nV/ATi tandems on purpose and they are breaking CF support intentionally on nForce parts.

Your entire basis of arguing in that other thread was firstly that the PPU still functioned, when it didn?t because article I linked to pre-dates your posts (article was written in Sept 09).

Secondly, you also wanted evidence that nVidia is actively blocking ATi/nVidia tandems despite being shown this repeatedly in the form of articles, nVidia press releases, and end-user feedback.

And thirdly, you continually referred to your unsubstantiated claims about the AIW, as you continue to do so in this thread.

So to recap, you were wrong on point one, you were provided a plethora evidence to prove point two, and you?ve failed to provide any evidence for point three.

Huh? Do you know what discontinued means?

It means the device no longer works. This is unlike the article showing us that the device works perfectly once the ATi card is removed, even with the latest driver.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Your entire basis of arguing in that other thread was firstly that the PPU still functioned, when it didn?t because article I linked to pre-dates your posts (article was written in Sept 09).

Wow, you went through a lot of trouble to hear this- welcome to US forums. 8/10/2009 is August 10th. We don't do dates like everyone else.

It means the device no longer works.

No, it does not. It means the product is no longer made.

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Wow, you went through a lot of trouble to hear this-

Trust me, it was worth it. I even caught a couple of your edits too.

welcome to US forums. 8/10/2009 is August 10th. We don't do dates like everyone else.

Okay, so the date was wrong, but that doesn?t change any of the three points I made.

You really should adjust your stance from the other thread given the PPU is most certainly being blocked now, but you?ve failed to do that in this thread. In fact all you?ve done chopped from ?PPU is supported? and started playing semantic games with the word ?discontinued?.

No, it does not. It means the product is no longer made.

The product wasn?t being made before it started getting blocked too. Again, do you want to play semantic games or address the topic at hand?

Let me spell it out for you clearly:

The PPU once functioned on Windows XP, with ATi hardware, while being a discontinued product.

Now it doesn?t, but will revert to full former functionality if the ATi card is removed.

That?s an active block, no matter which way you look at it. You can argue it?s discontinued and/or requires a hack to install, but these are irrelevant to the main point.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Now it doesn?t, but will revert to full former functionality if the ATi card is removed.

Try a clean install with the latest drivers and it doesn't work with a nV GPU. Obviously something is screwy with the current drivers. It requires a workaround to get it to work on nV GPUs atm.

You can argue it?s discontinued and/or requires a hack to install, but these are irrelevant to the main point.

The main point right now is it doesn't install with anything by default using the latest drivers. It requires a workaround with either nV or ATi GPUs.

 

[BFG10K]

Okay, I?m really getting tired of this side-stepping and hair splitting.

Let?s try this another way: there?s a current driver block on the PPU if it detects an ATi card in the system, a block which is removed when the ATi card is removed.

Do you agree or disagree with this statement?

I don?t want to know how to install the driver, or what your definition of ?discontinued? is.

One word please: ?agree?, or ?disagree?.

Thanks.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Let?s try this another way: there?s a current driver block on the PPU if it detects an ATi card in the system, a block which is removed when the ATi card is removed.

You can not do a clean install of the latest drivers for a PPU and have them work with ANY GPU. Why is this difficult to grasp? This isn't side stepping, the drivers are broken- no matter what GPU you use. You have to do a workaround to get it to work with either ATi or nVidia GPUs- albeit different work arounds. Which one is intentional? I have no idea.

 

[evolucion8]

BFG10K is right, I own an AGEIA PPU and if I update the PhysX runtime to the latest version, Hardware Accelerated PhysX will not work, no matter how many tricks I do to trying to reenable it like nvcuda.dll renaming etc. The PhysX Crack will only work for nVidia cards doesn't work for me.

If I install back the PhysX System 8.09.04, all my games that uses Hardware Accelerated PhysX will work fine like Mirrors Edge and Cryostasis, Batman won't work because of it's Anti ATi protection and cannot be blamed because of PhysX running through CUDA because I have CUDA installed, plus Mirrors Edge also uses CUDA and PhysX works like a charm. (Mirrors Edge won't start if nvcuda.dll is missing). The StarTales benchmark also works along with Fluidmark. The Great Kulu won't work and neither the nVidia Fluid demo which probably requires the latest PhysX Software which disables my PPU.

So, the decision of nVidia blocking PhysX will simply speed up its demise.

Edit: With Vantage, my CPU score increased by 1928 points and the gains were observed with the CPU test 2 which instead of 4 rings like usually appears when a Quad Core CPU is detected, 7 rings appeared and the calculation rate moved up from 20 to 31 op/s. That barely increased my overall score by 999 points.

 

[BFG10K]

You can not do a clean install of the latest drivers for a PPU and have them work with ANY GPU. Why is this difficult to grasp?

But again, this isn’t relevant to the fact that once it’s working, ATi is blocked out, even on a PPU. Why is this so difficult to grasp?

Which one is intentional? I have no idea.

Oh I think you know very well, but you’d have to retract your previous statements about nVidia’s actions being okay as long as the PPU works, because it now doesn’t work. So instead of this retraction you’re now arguing a strawman about the drivers not installing out of box and pretending the other issue doesn’t exist.