How the right wing lie machine works

[werepossum]

In fairness to werepossum, I think it's going to be difficult to find confirmation if you're looking for articles published on the internet. I googled it and found much more modern articles mentioning the French mistress claims. But this event took place back in 1992. Not much content, or many people were on the internet back then. I remember it back in '94, my recollection was that it was text based and I don't recall any of the MSM publishing on the net yet.



No, you don't need any bias to find the numbers odd. I've been looking for analysts' remarks on the unexpected numbers. There are many commentators all across the spectrum (not just those on Fox) who are expressing concern. 114,000 is simply too small. It's been noted by some that the U-6 remained the same while U-3 saw a material boost. That is counter-intuitive.

The trend for the last several months does NOT support optimism for job growth. The growth in GDP has fallen below 2% in each of the last 6 months. A slowing GDP does not portend job growth.

Fern

Quite true. I wonder though to what extent we're seeing the effect of uncertainty on who will win. If Obama wins, certain entities will continue to receive government money and likely see even more of it. If Romney wins, some of those entities will stop receiving government money (or at least receive less) and some others will likely start. Right now it's simply too close to call, and companies whose bottom line depends on government are likely trying to cut back and preserve capital just in case. This seems especially wise considering the looming fiscal cliff of mandatory cuts and tax increases. If so, we may well see the economy rebound in November or at least February no matter which side wins.

 

[werepossum]

That is only true if you don't sum up the viewership of CBS, ABC, NBC, and MSNBC which run practically the same shows at the same slant.

He sees CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, and even <gasp> MSNBC as corporatist and therefore right wing Republican media.

 

[Jhhnn]

All economists worth their salt will agree that we are no longer in a recession. The US economy is slowly and tepidly lurching forward towards recovery. This is not disputed by any credible economist, period.

The only argument Romney can make at this point is that his policies will accelerate the recovery. He cannot truthfully say that Obama has made the situation worse than it was when he took office.

And we know the economic policies Romney wants to pursue are the exact ones that got us into this mess. Shredding regulations, more tax cuts lopsided towards the wealthy, etc. The GOP is simply out of ideas. They have utterly failed as a political party in moving this country forward towards prosperity.

The Romney "plan"? Nearly word for word the same as the Bush plan of 2004 & 2006, the same as the McCain plan of 2008, the same jerb creator trickledown flimflam that it's always been-

http://www.nextnewdeal.net/rortybomb/romney-will-solve-crisis-exact-same-gop-plan-2008-2006-2004

 

[ivwshane]

No, you don't need any bias to find the numbers odd. I've been looking for analysts' remarks on the unexpected numbers. There are many commentators all across the spectrum (not just those on Fox) who are expressing concern. 114,000 is simply too small. It's been noted by some that the U-6 remained the same while U-3 saw a material boost. That is counter-intuitive.

The trend for the last several months does NOT support optimism for job growth. The growth in GDP has fallen below 2% in each of the last 6 months. A slowing GDP does not portend job growth.

Fern

The GDP has been growing, slowly but it's growing. A change of .03 in the unemployment rate doesn't raise red flags.
http://ycharts.com/indicators/us_monthly_gdp

Yes 114k is small but you aren't looking at the revised figures for the previous months.

Even having said all that, please show me when in anytime in history the BLS data has been compromised.

Just because you don't see or understand how something can be doesn't mean its wrong, it means you don't have all the data.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Just because you don't see or understand how something can be doesn't mean its wrong, it means you don't have all the data.

Interesting, considering that logic doesn't seem to fly when it comes to Voter ID laws.

 

[ivwshane]

Interesting, considering that logic doesn't seem to fly when it comes to Voter ID laws.

What are you talking about?

 

[FuzzyBee]

What are you talking about?

Well, of course I mean that the left continuously says that "Voter ID laws solve a problem that doesn't exist", although they don't have all of the data.

Of course, that's going way off topic, and I apologize for the diversion.

 

[ivwshane]

Well, of course I mean that the left continuously says that "Voter ID laws solve a problem that doesn't exist", although they don't have all of the data.

Of course, that's going way off topic, and I apologize for the diversion.

I don't think the left has ever said that voter ID's solve any problems. The right on the other hand.

 

[FuzzyBee]

I don't think the left has ever said that voter ID's solve any problems. The right on the other hand.

Reading comprehension - it's pretty important.

 

[werepossum]

Reading comprehension - it's pretty important.

Though sometimes painfully scarce . . .

 

[ivwshane]

Reading comprehension - it's pretty important.

I don't know, you quoted something, I've never heard said...so.

 

[FuzzyBee]

I don't know, you quoted something, I've never heard said...so.

I'm sorry - I didn't think there was anybody viewing the web via links on a 40-column monitor anymore

 

[sandorski]

Well, of course I mean that the left continuously says that "Voter ID laws solve a problem that doesn't exist", although they don't have all of the data.

Of course, that's going way off topic, and I apologize for the diversion.

Gather the Data then.

 

[Jhhnn]

Interesting, considering that logic doesn't seem to fly when it comes to Voter ID laws.

It's the same logic from the right- "We can't prove anything of any significance, but by God we just know there's some conspiracy! Must Be! Ebil Libruhls! EEEEbilll!"

 

[FuzzyBee]

It's the same logic from the right- "We can't prove anything of any significance, but by God we just know there's some conspiracy! Must Be! Ebil Libruhls! EEEEbilll!"

The funny thing is, you can't prove anything. either, but you seem to think you can with the incomplete data we have. That's not evil - it's just plain-out stupid.

 

[ivwshane]

The funny thing is, you can't prove anything. either, but you seem to think you can with the incomplete data we have. That's not evil - it's just plain-out stupid.

Are you still talking about voter ID laws? If so you are full of shit.

http://www.minnpost.com/politics-po...d-election-fraud-found-virtually-non-existent

There were 10 cases since 2000 of voter impersonation, which would have been stopped via the new voter ID laws. However there were 491 cases (still an incredibly small number) of absentee voter fraud of which the new voter ID laws would have prevented none of them!

So those are my facts do lets see your counter facts.

Of course you won't have any.


Do you know what that god awful smell is? It's the shit you keep spewing out of your mouth!

 

[FuzzyBee]

Are you still talking about voter ID laws? If so you are full of shit.

http://www.minnpost.com/politics-po...d-election-fraud-found-virtually-non-existent

There were 10 cases since 2000 of voter impersonation, which would have been stopped via the new voter ID laws. However there were 491 cases (still an incredibly small number) of absentee voter fraud of which the new voter ID laws would have prevented none of them!

So those are my facts do lets see your counter facts.

Of course you won't have any.


Do you know what that god awful smell is? It's the shit you keep spewing out of your mouth!

Ironic that you're criticizing me when you've proven that you can't even read.

 

[Moonbeam]

The funny thing is, you can't prove anything. either, but you seem to think you can with the incomplete data we have. That's not evil - it's just plain-out stupid.

You can't prove to people who are delusional that they are delusional but science tells us it's the right that constructs altered realities. So when the left and right argue it's over whether a delusion is a delusion or not. To not believe in illusions isn't really a belief. It's the absence of belief without evidence.

When data that backs up liberal policies is called lies, it is up to the folk who make the claim to present evidence. They present delusion instead and call it proof. You lying bastards believe in your lies but they convince nobody else but folk who belong to the Republican religion, just as intelligent design convinces nobody but demented fundamentalist Christians.

You're a pack of nut cases and nothing else can be said. Conservatives have a brain defect that makes them unamenable to reason.

 

[ivwshane]

Ironic that you're criticizing me when you've proven that you can't even read.

Are you saying anything or adding to your point? I think not.

Keep talking out of your ass it only makes my case stronger

 

[FuzzyBee]

Are you saying anything or adding to your point? I think not.

Keep talking out of your ass it only makes my case stronger

"I don't think the left has ever said that voter ID's solve any problems."

Your case for idiocy? No problem!

 

[FuzzyBee]

You can't prove to people who are delusional that they are delusional but science tells us it's the right that constructs altered realities. So when the left and right argue it's over whether a delusion is a delusion or not. To not believe in illusions isn't really a belief. It's the absence of belief without evidence.

When data that backs up liberal policies is called lies, it is up to the folk who make the claim to present evidence. They present delusion instead and call it proof. You lying bastards believe in your lies but they convince nobody else but folk who belong to the Republican religion, just as intelligent design convinces nobody but demented fundamentalist Christians.

You're a pack of nut cases and nothing else can be said. Conservatives have a brain defect that makes them unamenable to reason.

I apologize. In a previous post, I stated it takes you 24383 keystrokes to proclaim your ignorance. The number is actually 824 keystrokes. Once again, my apologies.

 

[ivwshane]

"I don't think the left has ever said that voter ID's solve any problems."

Your case for idiocy? No problem!

So your argument is that because I as well as democrats believe that voter ID laws don't fix anything, I'm an idiot?

Yes, lets address the wording but not the topic. You claim the dems said voter ID laws don't fix anything without having any proof or all the facts, I show you the facts and you add nothing to the discussion.

Bravo! You are now a certified moron, you should chat on AOL with buckshot, you two would get along great!

We should change the title of the thread to, "How the right dodges questions and facts".

 

[FuzzyBee]

So your argument is that because I as well as democrats believe that voter ID laws don't fix anything, I'm an idiot?

Yes, lets address the wording but not the topic. You claim the dems said voter ID laws don't fix anything without having any proof or all the facts, I show you the facts and you add nothing to the discussion.

Bravo! You are now a certified moron, you should chat on AOL with buckshot, you two would get along great!

We should change the title of the thread to, "How the right dodges questions and facts".

No, I'm saying that you lack reading comprehension skills. Read what I said. I'll give you a hint: the point I'm referring to is everything inside the quotes, not just where your brain filled with data.

Enjoy that AOL! Say hi to my grandma!

 

[Jhhnn]

The funny thing is, you can't prove anything. either, but you seem to think you can with the incomplete data we have. That's not evil - it's just plain-out stupid.

I'm not trying to prove anything, other than right wing faith in conspiracies, of apparently needing to believe in them to support their most cherished beliefs.

Whenever Conservatives are faced with unpleasantries, their leadership attributes them to some sort of conspiracy by their political opponents, even invoke conspiracy theories to attack the character of their opponents. The conspiracy theories around the Clintons were manifold, the lack of Iraqi WMD's obviously some conspiracy, "voter fraud" is based on an underlying conspiracy theory, Birtherism is conspiracy, and this whole thing wrt unemployment numbers is in a similar vein.

When it's really time to question underlying assumptions, Repub leaders can rely on their base to accept conspiracy as a form of denial, as a way of resolving cognitive dissonance favorable to maintaining the faith.

1- Employment numbers slowly improving?
2- Couldn't be, because Obama is ruining the economy!
3- Therefore, the numbers must be a lie! It's a conspiracy!

If faith in 2, above, weren't absolute, they might not be vulnerable to 3, but it is, so there you have it. They want to believe, quite desperately, so they do.

 

[ivwshane]

No, I'm saying that you lack reading comprehension skills. Read what I said. I'll give you a hint: the point I'm referring to is everything inside the quotes, not just where your brain filled with data.

Enjoy that AOL! Say hi to my grandma!

Well then I guess I'm stupid or you are incapable of making a coherent point. If I don't understand something and I ask for clarification and you don't offer any then who's fault is that?

Yeah my brain is filled with data, what's yours filled with?