How The NRA Built A Massive Secret Database Of Gun Owners

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While the National Rifle Association publicly fights against a national gun registry, the organization has gone to incredible lengths to compile information on “tens of millions” of gun owners — without their consent.
posted on August 20, 2013 at 10:49pm EDT

WASHINGTON — The National Rifle Association has rallied gun-owners — and raised tens of millions of dollars — campaigning against the threat of a national database of firearms or their owners.
But in fact, the sort of vast, secret database the NRA often warns of already exists, despite having been assembled largely without the knowledge or consent of gun owners. It is housed in the Virginia offices of the NRA itself. The country’s largest privately held database of current, former, and prospective gun owners is one of the powerful lobby’s secret weapons, expanding its influence well beyond its estimated 3 million members and bolstering its political supremacy.
That database has been built through years of acquiring gun permit registration lists from state and county offices, gathering names of new owners from the thousands of gun-safety classes taught by NRA-certified instructors and by buying lists of attendees of gun shows, subscribers to gun magazines and more, BuzzFeed has learned.
The result: a Big Data powerhouse that deploys the same high-tech tactics all year round that the vaunted Obama campaign used to win two presidential elections.
NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam declined to discuss the group’s name-gathering methods or what it does with its vast pool of data about millions of non-member gun owners. Asked what becomes of the class rosters for safety classes when instructors turn them in, he replied: “That’s not any of your business.”
Others in the business of big political data, however, say the NRA is using similar tools to those employed by the campaigns of its nemesis, President Barack Obama.
“There are certainly some parallels,” said Laura Quinn, CEO of Catalist, a data analysis firm used by Obama For America. “The NRA is not only able to understand people who their members are but also people who are not their members. The more data they have, the more it allows them test different strategies and different messages on different people.”
“Part of the way they have gotten to a place where they are able to do what they do is through data,” Quinn said. “There is some irony.”
The vast size of the NRA’s database and its sophisticated methods of analyzing the public mood go a long way to explaining the organization’s enduring influence. Even in an age when opinion polls show gun-control measures gaining in general popularity and when wealthy benefactors like New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg are spending millions to counter the NRA’s lobbying and advertising budgets, the NRA has built-in advantages.
The NRA won’t say how many names and what other personal information is in its database, but former NRA lobbyist Richard Feldman estimates they keep tabs on “tens of millions of people.”
“There’s nothing that prevents them from mailing those people,” said Feldman, who split with the NRA in the mid-1990s and is now leads the Independent Firearm Owners Association, which brands itself as a less extreme gun-rights group. “The more you know about people, the more targeted the message you can communicate with them, the more the message will resonate with them.”
Some data-collection efforts are commonplace in politics these days, such as buying information from data brokers on magazine subscriptions and the like.

But several observers said the NRA’s methods reflect a sophistication and ingenuity that is largely unrivaled outside of major national presidential campaigns. While the organization took great umbrage in December when a newspaper published the names and addresses of gun owners in two New York counties, the group for years as been gathering similar information via the same public records as a matter of course.
In Virginia, for instance, a North Carolina-based firm called Preferred Communications filed an inquiry with the Virginia State Police in July 2009 asking “on behalf of the National Rifle Association” as to whether the names of concealed-carry permit holders could be purchased. The e-mail was obtained by BuzzFeed by Freedom of Information Act request.
“Can you please let me know if you offer 2008 and/or 2009 names?” wrote the representative, Michele Wood, who hung up on BuzzFeed when asked for comment. “Can you please let me know the address to send the check to and also whom to make it payable to?”
Iowa, too, provides another example. In December 2011, NRA lobbyist Christopher Rager, wrote to Iowa Department of Public Safety legislative liaison Ross Loder from an official NRA email address.
“If the NRA wanted to collect data from DPS’ permit holder files, is there a specific process or any rules for us to acquire the records?” Rager wrote in an e-mail also obtained via FOIA. “Can we pay to have the files copied or sent to us?”
Similarly, officials in Arkansas and Oregon also told BuzzFeed they had requests for such lists, and Gawker reported in February of NRA-related registry requests in Louisiana and Tennessee.
“We’ve been doing this since the old days,” Feldman said. “You could obtain from most states the listings of hunter licenses from the Department of Wildlife and Conservations. It was sort of amazing what we knew about people from that. There were early doe permit holders, black powder holders, so many different seasons. It was a lot of data.”

Complementing this practice is the mining of data on the thousands who take gun safety classes from NRA-certified instructors. Arulanandam said there are 97,000 of them, a figure that impressed Quinn as a larger “army of organizers” than Obama had.

In some states, those ranks are propelled by laws that specify that taking classes from NRA-certified instructors in order to obtain permits or licenses. In 2011, for instance, the Iowa Legislature added such a provision.

“Previously there was no reference to the National Rifle Association in the Iowa code,” Loder said. “Before, it would have been a course offered by the local sheriff’s office.”

The NRA’s dominance in the safety-class realm is an obvious public relations boon for the group, but it predates the organization’s political activism by nearly a century. The group was founded, in fact, to improve marksmanship and teach safe, effective shooting, said NRA-certified senior trainer Mike Weisser, owner of a gun store in Ware, Mass.

Yet nowadays those classes are also an important way of adding information about gun owners to the database, said Weisser.

“After people take a class, then you as an instructor, can send all their names to Washington and you get credit for that,” Weisser said. “If you can show you’ve taught enough classes, you can move up in the hierarchy as an NRA trainer.”

Moving up in the hierarchy can mean being licensed to teach more types of gun safety classes and being able to charge more, he said.

“If I send the class roster in, the NRA starts sending information to these people to either join the NRA or to support NRA positions,” he said. “In many of the classes, at some point, somebody will get up to give a pitch to join the NRA. Most trainers will also hand out the member application for NRA.”

Most of these activities aim to convert gun owners into dues-paying NRA members or contributors to the NRA’s political action committee, but Feldman said a parallel motive is to maintain a network. Political operatives who understand the new science of voter modeling regard gun ownership as a key predictor of someone’s politics regardless of whether they are NRA members, and the NRA uses those non-members to extend its influence by finding just the right language and tone to speak to them, Quinn said.

Jon Bond, co-founder of the powerhouse Manhattan ad firm Kirshenbaum Bond and Partners, said it is an important reason why alternative gun-related organizations are at a huge disadvantage. Bond and his wife co-founded a new anti-violence group called Evolve to appeal to people who believe both sides of the debate are too extreme.

Bond views the NRA’s grip, derived from its sophisticated data operation, as perhaps the biggest challenge to anyone else effectively influencing the political conversation.

The data “gives the NRA more power,” Bond said. “It’s valuable politically because what it does is, it extends the reach of its political leverage beyond NRA members. They have gun owners, not just NRA members. There’s multiple purposes for it.”

While the NRA’s influence on Congress is most often the media’s focus, the sort of microtargeting the group can do is at least as powerful in state capitals. A case in point was the successful effort to get Washington state Rep. Maureen Walsh, a Republican from Walla Walla, to remove her name from co-sponsorship of a background check bill in March.

Walsh said she was motivated by the Sandy Hook shooting to sign on to the measure, but was then deluged by more than 1,200 letters and calls from angry constituents. While many of them were from declared NRA members, she said, lots of them were from people who specified they weren’t with the NRA but had been alerted by the group to the pending bill.

“They know quite a bit on that level about people in my district,” said Walsh, who decided the bill had its own loophole problems and wouldn’t reduce gun violence. “I don’t have any doubt in my mind that they stay ahead of the game and that they put their opinions in front of” non-members who agree with them.

The NRA used the specter of a national gun registry to great effect in the debate over the Manchin-Toomey background checks bill that failed last spring. Even though the bill explicitly prohibited the federal government from creating such a database, it was a talking point that senators who opposed the measure repeatedly cited.

Yet there does not seem to be the same concern among gun owners about the NRA’s own efforts to amass the same information.

“It’s probably partially true that people don’t know the information is being collected,” said Feldman, “but but even if they don’t know it, they probably won’t care because the NRA is not part of the government.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/stevefriess/how-the-nra-built-a-massive-secret-database-of-gun-owners
 

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The NRA compiled a list of potential supporters. Imagine that.

In case you haven't realized it pro gun people aren't afraid of the NRA. Many are distrustful of the government wanting a database, you know the one who is saying "trust us", the one who has an organization which has one letter difference in its name, the NSA, headed by the same person who wants the gun database.

And you wonder why gun owners don't see it as the same? Is the writer of the article working for the NSA or just dumb?
 

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The NRA compiled a list of potential supporters. Imagine that.

In case you haven't realized it pro gun people aren't afraid of the NRA. Many are distrustful of the government wanting a database, you know the one who is saying "trust us", the one who has an organization which has one letter difference in its name, the NSA, headed by the same person who wants the gun database.

And you wonder why gun owners don't see it as the same? Is the writer of the article working for the NSA or just dumb?

This...there are not many organizations who are willing and able to fight for the second amendment. As flawed as some of what the NRA does in handling this mission, they are still the biggest and best equipped one out there. Yeah they will have a list of members, maybe even potential members (every gun I bought comes with NRA membership info in the box), and past members. Thwy need this info to show that not all gun owners are psychos or murderers wiyh death rays like so many liberals try to paint a picture of. That is far from the same as the government having a list. The difference being the NRA does not want to nor have the authority to remove firearms from you.
 

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I would never join the NRA, and im in NH, so we dont register our guns or get licenses for them. Walk in, give the guy some cash and walk out with a new toy.
 

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No commentary - should be locked as are posts with no commentary by right leaning posters here.
 

PokerGuy

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The writer of the article is apparently an idiot, there is absolutely no problem with the NRA maintaining information. It's not like they are tapping illegally into people's calls/internet/mail or something, they are just data mining.

More whining by the irrational anti-gun zealot establishment.
 

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The writer of the article is apparently an idiot, there is absolutely no problem with the NRA maintaining information. It's not like they are tapping illegally into people's calls/internet/mail or something, they are just data mining.

More whining by the irrational anti-gun zealot establishment.
This. The NRA cannot imprison you or audit you, and its efforts are much less thorough or widespread than Google. OP is also being an idiot.
 

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This. The NRA cannot imprison you or audit you, and its efforts are much less thorough or widespread than Google. OP is also being an idiot.

Yea but they can spam you with their absolute bullshit. I have been getting junk mail from these asses for years now. Simply because I purchased a gun. If I could sue them I would.
 

werepossum

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I've purchased in 7 guns in the last 5 years in two states and never have received any mail from the NRA.
I'm an NRA member and I get sometimes two or three letters a week asking for money. I know others who have never been members and still get letters. Probably varies by state as to which ones sell your info.
 

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Yea but they can spam you with their absolute bullshit. I have been getting junk mail from these asses for years now. Simply because I purchased a gun. If I could sue them I would.

can't be as bad as giving your name to any of the major parties. never ever give them your contact info - ever.
 

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While I don't think there's anything wrong whatsoever with the NRA keeping a list of supporters, it does seem odd that people who believe the US government would use a federal database of gun owners to track and disarm the US population wouldn't simply seize the NRA database if they wanted to.
 

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While I don't think there's anything wrong whatsoever with the NRA keeping a list of supporters, it does seem odd that people who believe the US government would use a federal database of gun owners to track and disarm the US population wouldn't simply seize the NRA database if they wanted to.

I think it comes down to who they trust more. But yes since we're sure the NSA can listen to anything now whats to say they don't already have the database? ;)
 
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I think it comes down to who they trust more. But yes since we're sure the NSA can listen into to anything now whats to say they don't already have the database? ;)

Right, but it's not really who you trust more. The NRA has a list, and we all know the government could get that list if it wanted to badly enough. Presumably the day that the government undertakes that nationwide gun confiscation that gun nuts are always saying will happen would be that day. Therefore I really have a hard time seeing why the NRA having that list is much better than the feds having it.

For that reason you would think that they wouldn't want the NRA to have a gun owner list either, but I imagine that the real roots of it are simply a knee-jerk opposition to gun legislation.
 

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Yea but they can spam you with their absolute bullsh*t. I have been getting junk mail from these asses for years now.

And that would be different than every other business or organization ... how? Anyone can send you junk mail. Don't like it? Toss it in the trash. Very simple.

If I could sue them I would.

Sue them for what exactly? Sending you unwanted junk mail? If that was something one could sue for, there would be about a billion lawsuits going on right now for that......
 

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While I don't think there's anything wrong whatsoever with the NRA keeping a list of supporters, it does seem odd that people who believe the US government would use a federal database of gun owners to track and disarm the US population wouldn't simply seize the NRA database if they wanted to.

If they needed to, but why would they have to? They can access that information already, probably more accurately and lie like has been done because the law requires you lie, or so we've been told.
 

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If they needed to, but why would they have to? They can access that information already, probably more accurately and lie like has been done because the law requires you lie, or so we've been told.

Well if the feds can access that data already, what's the resistance to a national firearms database that could help solve countless interstate crimes?

None of this makes sense. If you think a gun owner database is dangerous because of the threat of federal confiscation, well... the NRA just made one. Why someone would be okay with the NRA making one and not the government makes no sense as the government will just take the NRA's if they want it.
 

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lol. Atpn is added to the list of organizations conspiring against conservatives!

Maybe you should just have a list of people who aren't conspiring against you. Sounds like it would be shorter.

rotflmao
 

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Well if the feds can access that data already, what's the resistance to a national firearms database that could help solve countless interstate crimes?

None of this makes sense. If you think a gun owner database is dangerous because of the threat of federal confiscation, well... the NRA just made one. Why someone would be okay with the NRA making one and not the government makes no sense as the government will just take the NRA's if they want it.

Well then the people who are on the database can object. You do make a case as to why there's no reason to trust those in charge of the NSA so thanks for that.
 

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I doubt the NRA is going to try to confiscate weapons.

I doubt that teh eebil gubmint is, either.

The NRA is really an industry group, created to froth up gun owners & promote sales.

It's their job to convince everybody that what they need is more guns, bigger guns, guns that hold more ammo, guns that will keep the Commies, the home invaders, the rapers & the Terrarists! off your lawn & out of your living room, not to mention gubmint agents.

That's why they have their database & what they use it to accomplish.

The one thing that all too many people forget is that a statement doesn't have to be true to "make a good point", one that preys on their fears & prejudices in a ruthless fashion.

In that, the NRA is highly effective.
 

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I doubt that teh eebil gubmint is, either.

The NRA is really an industry group, created to froth up gun owners & promote sales.

It's their job to convince everybody that what they need is more guns, bigger guns, guns that hold more ammo, guns that will keep the Commies, the home invaders, the rapers & the Terrarists! off your lawn & out of your living room, not to mention gubmint agents.

That's why they have their database & what they use it to accomplish.

The one thing that all too many people forget is that a statement doesn't have to be true to "make a good point", one that preys on their fears & prejudices in a ruthless fashion.

In that, the NRA is highly effective.


Tell us again how the good fairy Obama is protecting us with his NSA? I don't understand why people would object to abuse. Please?