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How the Left Undermined America's Security Before 9/11

Horowitz at his finest....NEO-CON ALERT...Enter at your own risk

...pretty long read, but a good read, nevertheless...a little taste to wet your whistle:

No Excuses

In August 1998, the chair of the National Commission on Terrorism, Paul Bremer, wrote in the Washington Post, "The ideology of [terrorist] groups makes them impervious to political or diplomatic pressures ... We cannot seek a political solution with them." He then proposed that we, "defend ourselves. Beef up security around potential targets here and abroad?.Attack the enemy. Keep up the pressure on terrorist groups. Show that we can be as systematic and relentless as they are. Crush bin Laden?s operations by pressure and disruption. The U.S. government further should announce a large reward for bin Laden?s capture?dead or alive."

Bremer was not alone. Given these warnings, as Andrew Sullivan observes, "Whatever excuses the Clintonites can make, they cannot argue that the threat wasn?t clear, that the solution wasn?t proposed, that a strategy for success hadn?t been outlined. Everything necessary to prevent September 11 had been proposed in private and in public, in government reports and on op-ed pages, for eight long years. The Clinton Administration simply refused to do anything serious about the threat."

On January 20, 2001, George W. Bush was sworn in as the 43rd president of the United States. Within months of taking office, he ordered a new strategy for combating terrorism that would be more than just "swatting at flies," as he described Clinton?s policy. The new plan reached the President?s desk on September 10, 2001. It was "too late," as columnist Andrew Sullivan wrote, "But it remains a fact that the new administration had devised in eight months a strategy that Bill Clinton had delayed for eight years.

 
Hmm...the new plan adopted by the Administration in Sept. 2001 was largely Clarke's Delenda Est plan, which was mostly adopted by Clinton (except the military portion...the Pentagon would not buy into it.)
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Hmm...the new plan adopted by the Administration in Sept. 2001 was largely Clarke's Delenda Est plan, which was mostly adopted by Clinton (except the military portion...the Pentagon would not buy into it.)
^^ How the Left Continues to Undermine America's Security After 9/11

 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: conjur
Hmm...the new plan adopted by the Administration in Sept. 2001 was largely Clarke's Delenda Est plan, which was mostly adopted by Clinton (except the military portion...the Pentagon would not buy into it.)
^^ How the Left Continues to Undermine America's Security After 9/11

Yeah because discussing what the administration is doing undermines America's security. Get over yourself.

Zephyr
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: conjur
Hmm...the new plan adopted by the Administration in Sept. 2001 was largely Clarke's Delenda Est plan, which was mostly adopted by Clinton (except the military portion...the Pentagon would not buy into it.)
^^ How the Left Continues to Undermine America's Security After 9/11

I couldn't have said it better myself...attacks in East Africa, New York, off the coast of Qatar, Saudi Arabia...and Clinton adopted the 'new plan'...guess Bush was to blame for the repeat attacks against us previously, too....those damn new plans, I tell ya.
 
Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: conjur
Hmm...the new plan adopted by the Administration in Sept. 2001 was largely Clarke's Delenda Est plan, which was mostly adopted by Clinton (except the military portion...the Pentagon would not buy into it.)
^^ How the Left Continues to Undermine America's Security After 9/11

Yeah because discussing what the administration is doing undermines America's security. Get over yourself.

Zephyr
Hahahahaha...a Conjur apologist 🙂

Doing implies present tense. I'm pretty sure Conjur is nothing if he isn't the forums biggest partisan cheerleader for the political football comission.

 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: conjur
Hmm...the new plan adopted by the Administration in Sept. 2001 was largely Clarke's Delenda Est plan, which was mostly adopted by Clinton (except the military portion...the Pentagon would not buy into it.)
^^ How the Left Continues to Undermine America's Security After 9/11

Yeah because discussing what the administration is doing undermines America's security. Get over yourself.

Zephyr
Hahahahaha...a Conjur apologist 🙂

Doing implies present tense. I'm pretty sure Conjur is nothing if he isn't the forums biggest partisan cheerleader for the political football comission.

Once again, get over yourself. And I'm having difficulty understanding how Conjur's statement undermines America's security. Are you feeling a little insecure?

Zephyr
 
The rightwingers undermined US national security by undermining the commander in chief for 8 years. Doing everything in their power to distract and put roadblocks. When Clinton attacked Al Qaeda, these traitors questioned his timing and ridiculed him instead of supporting him to take more action, and then hypocritically blamed him for not doing enough. I can forgive the hypocrisy of the right, but I won't forgive their treason.
 
Indeed. It was a miracle Clinton could tie his shoes in the morning without a lawsuit being brought against him or a special investigator assigned to find out why he tied the left shoe first . . .

Yup, Clinton did bring some of that on himself. Certainly. But the Repubs played the role of vicious pack of attack dogs all too well. I wonder if we'd see Bush bogged down and constantly on the defense if the dems controlled Congress?

I'd bet that we would see that.
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
The rightwingers undermined US national security by undermining the commander in chief for 8 years. Doing everything in their power to distract and put roadblocks. When Clinton attacked Al Qaeda, these traitors questioned his timing and ridiculed him instead of supporting him to take more action, and then hypocritically blamed him for not doing enough. I can forgive the hypocrisy of the right, but I won't forgive their treason.

Huh? Bosnia ring a bell? Didn't comply with the War Powers Act of 1972...anyone...anyone...Beuller? anyone? So much for your "roadblock" theory.
 
Hee hee these threads just make me laugh laugh laugh

"Clinton would have done more but the pubs wouldn't let him!!!"

"If only Gore had won, why everything would have been dandy, he would have cracked down!!"

What a joke...

Oh, and Zephyr...don't flirt with me go kiss Conjur directly in PM :lips:
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: conjur
Hmm...the new plan adopted by the Administration in Sept. 2001 was largely Clarke's Delenda Est plan, which was mostly adopted by Clinton (except the military portion...the Pentagon would not buy into it.)
^^ How the Left Continues to Undermine America's Security After 9/11

So, what you're saying is that Bush is going to continue to undermine America's security. I suppose Bush is going to do the same thing Clinton did then, adopt Delenda Est but not push for the military action.

We'll be stuck in the same rut as we've been for years.
 
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: SuperTool
The rightwingers undermined US national security by undermining the commander in chief for 8 years. Doing everything in their power to distract and put roadblocks. When Clinton attacked Al Qaeda, these traitors questioned his timing and ridiculed him instead of supporting him to take more action, and then hypocritically blamed him for not doing enough. I can forgive the hypocrisy of the right, but I won't forgive their treason.

Huh? Bosnia ring a bell? Didn't comply with the War Powers Act of 1972...anyone...anyone...Beuller? anyone? So much for your "roadblock" theory.

I am talking about specifically the strikes on Al Qaeda training camps. Should I remind you of the reaction from the treasonous rightwing of which you are a member?
Also, Republicans controlled congress, so it was within their power to declare a war on terror for most of the 90's.
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool

Also, Republicans controlled congress, so it was within their power to declare a war on terror for most of the 90's.

How could they, as Reno had most of our tanks in Waco, TX killing innocent women and children.... military was stretched too thin.
 
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: SuperTool

Also, Republicans controlled congress, so it was within their power to declare a war on terror for most of the 90's.

How could they, as Reno had most of our tanks in Waco, TX killing innocent women and children.... military was stretched too thin.

It's their job to declare war. They failed to do so. You can't blame Reno for that.
 
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: SuperTool

Also, Republicans controlled congress, so it was within their power to declare a war on terror for most of the 90's.

How could they, as Reno had most of our tanks in Waco, TX killing innocent women and children.... military was stretched too thin.

That was the ATF.
 
Isn't there enough blame to go around for pre-9/11 failures? Blaming the left is just as asinine as blaming the right. Certainly for every shortcoming cited on the left, an equally damning one could be cited on the right. We should learn from our mistakes by finding out where things went wrong and never letting it happen again. Although, we said that post-Pearl Harbor and look how well that worked out . . .
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: SuperTool

Also, Republicans controlled congress, so it was within their power to declare a war on terror for most of the 90's.

How could they, as Reno had most of our tanks in Waco, TX killing innocent women and children.... military was stretched too thin.

That was the ATF.

Look at the organizational chart, Einstein.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dojorg.htm
 
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: SuperTool

Also, Republicans controlled congress, so it was within their power to declare a war on terror for most of the 90's.

How could they, as Reno had most of our tanks in Waco, TX killing innocent women and children.... military was stretched too thin.

That was the ATF.

Look at the organizational chart, Einstein.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dojorg.htm[/q

I forgot where the US Army was in that org chart.
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: SuperTool

Also, Republicans controlled congress, so it was within their power to declare a war on terror for most of the 90's.

How could they, as Reno had most of our tanks in Waco, TX killing innocent women and children.... military was stretched too thin.

That was the ATF.

Look at the organizational chart, Einstein.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dojorg.htm[/q

I forgot where the US Army was in that org chart.

Ask General Clark; he sent the tanks in to kill the babies.
 
I'm a little confused by your statement, too, Alchy. How is what Conjur said undermining our security?
 
Originally posted by: Gaard
I'm a little confused by your statement, too, Alchy. How is what Conjur said undermining our security?
Dealmonkey already answered your question for me 🙂

(although my reference to conjur was more about his constant cheerleeding for the political football game, rather than that specific statement).

 
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: SuperTool

Also, Republicans controlled congress, so it was within their power to declare a war on terror for most of the 90's.

How could they, as Reno had most of our tanks in Waco, TX killing innocent women and children.... military was stretched too thin.

Utilizing Bushian logic that wasn't Reno's fault she had only held the post og AG for 1 month!
 
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