How the hell...need help

[Rodknock]

ok this is super lame. There's no explicit instruction saying to put the plate on top, and from all the pictures and even the diagram, it's impossible to tell which way it was put on because whichever way it was mounted, it would look identical in the pic. So once and for all, is it supposed to be put on the block from the bottom, or the top? IE, do I need to buy more pentosin (I'm out) and empty the loop, disconnect the tubing and mount the bracket from the top, or am I ok...?



fuuuuck! Just saw your edit and new post. God bleep dammit bleep bleep bleep!


BLEEP!

 

[WoodButcher]

Ouch! Drain to a clean container and reuse coolant, now you will see why I use a t-line and res. The block can be done w/o draining completely, drain some, lay the pc on its side and pull the block up, get air in the block and that section of tubing. Use spring clamps on the tubing and lots of paper towels over your board.

 

[aigomorla]

rod dont freak out!

worse comes to worse, you'll be a watercooling pro by the end of this build cuz you would of made and fixed all those errors.

Remember learning from mistakes is more golden then dipping in the rewards on a lucky project.

Also the d-tek mounting style:

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_0588.jpg

Maybe this will help.


Also Rod seeing how your getting the hang of your loop, you can use straight distilled with 2 drops of bionuke. Just reflush your system out every 3-5 months. You get the best performance that way and also your tubing lasts the longest.

 

[Rodknock]

Alright, just woke up. 2pm, rofl. Didn't get to bed till 5.

Ok, so would I be ok to reuse the coolant that's in the cpu loop right now, provided like you (woodbutcher) said that it's drained to a clean container of course. I did rinse everything out before hand with distilled water so I don't see how there'd be any contaminants of any importance in there.

Also, what's the best way to drain my individual setup? Remember, all I've got is a swiftech micro res on each loop, no t lines.


Thanks guys

 

[aigomorla]

remove res, and invert it.

Try to get a bubble to form at top or something. Then cut a tiny bit to open a tap where bubble is formed. Becareful to watch both ends. One end will flow til no tomorrow.

Once you have the tap water will flow down to the lowest point with little restriction.

 

[Rodknock]

Wait, when you say "cut a tiny bit", to what are you referring?

 

[Rodknock]

Also, are there any instructions out there for the dtek promount hardware? I picked that up today when I went to Petra's just for the hell of it. It's a simple setup, but I'm wondering what the small four screws are for? There's nothing on the block they could screw in to, but it looks like they're meant for something of that size.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Rodknock
Wait, when you say "cut a tiny bit", to what are you referring?

Here is the problem you have. That res will also prevent water to flow down properly since you dont have a bleed line anymore.

You wont be able to pull all that water from the res. Expecially that stuck in the radiator so you might need to tap another bleed line. Thats what i mean about cut. If you can pull enough water off the cpu block so you can remove it and fix it, then your good to go.

But remember too many remounts and your mounting system will require tightening again.

 

[WoodButcher]

Originally posted by: Rodknock
Also, are there any instructions out there for the dtek promount hardware? I picked that up today when I went to Petra's just for the hell of it. It's a simple setup, but I'm wondering what the small four screws are for? There's nothing on the block they could screw in to, but it looks like they're meant for something of that size.

PROMOUNT MOUNTS TO THE BOTTOM! don't open your loop.

That mounts to the bottom of the block, the screws are prob longer than the 4 that hold the block together stock, maybe a different head, If you pull the 4 cscrews that hold the block together w/o opening the block, keep it squeezed w/ one hand and remove the screws and attach the promount w/ the other.
You were at Petras'and didn't ask Alex? :Q<bitchslaps commence!>
Look at petras website and enlarge the pics!!!
http://www.petrastechshop.com/dfuprha.html
<more slaps!>

 

[Rodknock]

Yeah I found out about the pro mount coming from the bottom...after I drained the loop! LOL

Oh well it was good practice, draining and refilling is cake now, I feel confident about doing it now at least. Plus, it gave me a chance to put the quad core accelerator nozzle in there, which will help I guess

Anyway, the board is mounted in the case, the CPU block is in there, mounted, and the loop is filled up again and bled.

Now, I'm putting the MCW60 on as I type this, while watching Empire Strikes Back. I am now a true geek, HAH I had to drain the gpu loop because, like a complete n00b, I didn't realize I had to completely take apart the MCW60 to put the g80 adapter plate on. Oh well, it's all done now mostly. Progress report soon

 

[Rodknock]

OH, by the way!

Can the MCW60 be mounted upside down?!! It would make it so much easier in terms of the tubing route!!!

 

[Rodknock]

One more thing. I don't use the included black cross-shaped back plate, right? I mean, it doesn't fit the bolt pattern or anything, so I'm assuming it's not meant to be used on the G80-based cards. All that's touching the back of the card are the metal washers, is that ok?

 

[Rodknock]

One more thing again, I noticed it awhile ago but forgot to ask, how can the MCW60 be the best block solution for the 8800 series cards, when it's meant to be used with the cards where the core is raised up from the surrounding area? Ie, the surface of the MCW60 is raised in the center, so that center portion is all that's touching the gpu...

bad?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Rodknock

Now, I'm putting the MCW60 on as I type this, while watching Empire Strikes Back. I am now a true geek, HAH I had to drain the gpu loop because, like a complete n00b, I didn't realize I had to completely take apart the MCW60 to put the g80 adapter plate on. Oh well, it's all done now mostly. Progress report soon

lmao i was watching episode 1-3 while doing persephone. ahahahaha.

Originally posted by: Rodknock
OH, by the way!

Can the MCW60 be mounted upside down?!! It would make it so much easier in terms of the tubing route!!!

ummm explain please. theres only 1 side that cools, and 1 barb side. upside down? im lost.

 

[Rodknock]

Well not upside down, I just meant with the barbs facing the other direction. All the product shots and everything have the block mounted with the barbs facing down toward the motherboard, and well, even the logo is oriented in such a way that it looks like it should be mounted that way. I was wondering if the block could be mounted with the barbs facing up, away from the motherboard instead, and I'm 99% sure the answer to that question is yes...


Bigger question I have though is if I'm supposed to use some sort of backplate with the MCW60 on the g80-based cards. The included one (included with the general hardware, *not* with the g80 adapter hardware) doesn't fit the card obviously, and there isn't a different one included with the adapter hardware, so I'm assuming no.

 

[WoodButcher]

I don't know what pictures you've been looking at but I have the package in hand and I count 12 images of the block on the card where I can see it is mounted correctly. The barbs are facing away from the slot contacts and over the memory.
You will be fine w/o the backplate. Follow the instructions.....

 

[aigomorla]

im sorry, if you had the barbs facing the motherboard how the heck would you get the tubing on?

You have the barbs facing the side pannel. It wont fit any other way.

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_0855.jpg

Heres one for reference.

 

[Rodknock]

Hey now, no need to get mean

Anyway, the work is done, the machine is on, and windows is installed

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Rodknock
Hey now, no need to get mean

Anyway, the work is done, the machine is on, and windows is installed

LOL not getting mean.

just asking you how you think it would be able to be pulled off?




Anyhow glad you got it done, hows it running?

 

[Rodknock]

I don't know if Coretemp is being optimistic or what....19*C idle temp average across all four cores? I didn't get Windows installed until 5am last night, so I have yet to run any real load tests on it.

If the coretemp #s can be believed, wow?

 

[WoodButcher]

Optomistic would be a good word, check the bios readings, Asus temp probe also but it will read low. Do you have the newest coretemp? What is your room temp?

 

[Rodknock]

I was in a traffic jam (2 fatalities) today ALL fracking day, literally 4-5 hours. Haven't done shite today. All for a couple of molex splitters from Fry's. No turnoffs on this highway, I literally couldn't turn around. Wonderful.


Fracking motorcycles.

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Whoa, can't make you but, I'd ask that you edit your last post with some stars or other characters. This is a public forum and kids can read the posts ya know.

On a side note, it's not all motorcycles faults that dumb fv(K kids on crotch rockets are trying to get themselves kill every time they go out without a helmet or leathers and do 150 on the highways. I have(had?) a couple motorcycles and to be honest I'd rather ride them everywhere but, drivers have a tendency to just not see motorcycles or to just not care. A good friend of mine was on his bike and got hit from behind by a truck, he was doing about 75 and the truck hit him at 100+, pulled him under and dragged him for about a half mile before running him over and driving away. I'm not trying to say that motorcycles are any better than cars, just that car, truck, van or bike, it all depends on who's driving.

 

[Rodknock]

I would argue with you that my post is probably equivalent to the vulgarity of Disneyland compared to what comes out of most kid's mouths these days, but I'm tired so I just edited it to make you happy

And about the whole motorcycle thing: anytime the words "accident" and "motorcycle" come in the same sentence on an internet forum, there's always someone that fills the role of the cliche' "hey motorcycles aren't bad, it's the cars." I'm not saying you said that, and I'm sure you're a responsible rider.
I live in Santa Cruz, CA, and there were about a jillion tourists out here today, and the guys that died were both on bikes and apparently crashed into each other, probably fracking around if what I saw today in town and on the highway is any indication. Yes, I'd like to believe most motorcycle riders are intelligent and cautious. Most of the ones I saw today, however, certainly weren't acting that way. When I was in gridlock, I must've been passed by about a hundred bikes (not exaggerating, I was stuck there for hours), with everything from busa's and gsxr's to buels and harleys flying in between the stopped cars at 50+mph. They give a bad name to the responsible riders.



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Ok, end rant.

Anyway, my previous temp numbers were apparently a fluke. After I got everything up and running today I was seeing coretemp numbers that were unusually high: 40*C idle temps on cores 1 & 2, 3-4* below that for cores 3 & 4. So I'm wondering what the hell is going on.

I downloaded the newest Speedfan, dunno if it works with Q6600s or not yet, but it's reporting temps of 25-28*C idle.

ASUS PC Probe is giving me a bit below that, 22-25*C idle.

Monitoring only with Coretemp, it looks like I seriously botched the block installation for the CPU, or the radiators are cooking with inadequate airflow, or something else. It's not looking good.

Should I start cutting myself now, or is coretemp overestimating? For comparison, idle #s for the 8800gtx are looking great, with 35-37* temps at stock clocks. When compared to idle temps with the stock hsf that were hovering near 65*, that's something of a miracle.

So should I only be going off of coretemp and I screwed something up, or is the real temp somewhere in the middle of coretemp, speedfan, and PC Probe's estimates?

Thanks



(and Derwen, no offense meant, it's just been a really long day, and then I see ~40*C idle temps on a freshly built water setup, so it's been not just long, but bad, haha)

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Thank you, didn't mean to seem condescending if I did, I seem to have a tendancy to do that. And I don't blame all accidents on the cars, I just don't like bikes getting vilified when it's the idiot riders fault. I also subscribe to the saying "guns don't kill people, I do." Inanimate objects seem to get blamed for the misfortunes of people at the hands of another person much too often now a days.

I am sorry you had a bad day though. And you can probably partially blame myself and my friends for the increased population of crotch rockets in california as we've all but driven them out of arizona. Next is the ricers. I've nothing against imported cars or suping them up but, stickers and neon and really big wings don't make your car faster or better looking.

As for your rig. Try realtemp, see what it comes up with. 40C certainly seems too high but, your other temps seem too low as well. Whats your ambient?