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How The ACLU Didn't Steal Christmas

There are an array of idiots lining up to trash the ACLU in their mythical "War on Christmas" for its alleged part in trying to stop Christmas celebrations nation-wide. If you listen to their wide-eyed, spittle-spewing sermons, the ACLU is tantamount to the devil and is responsible for all kinds of attrocities including: Removing "In God We Trust" from US currency, firing military chaplains, expunging references to God in our founding documents, removing crosses from federal cemetaries, suing anyone who utters "Merry Christmas," and so on.

Only it's not true. None of it.

Here's Fran Quigley, Executive Director of the Indiana Civil Liberties Union to better explain how the ACLU defends religious freedom.

How The ACLU Didn't Steal Christmas

By Fran Quigley
Fran Quigley, Executive Director, Indiana Civil Liberties Union

When the angry phone calls and emails started arriving at the office, I knew the holiday season was upon us. A typical message shouted that we at the American Civil Liberties Union are "horrible" and "we should be ashamed of ourselves," and then concluded with an incongruous and agitated "Merry Christmas."

We get this type of correspondence a lot, mostly in reaction to a well-organized attempt by extremist groups to demonize the ACLU, crush religious diversity, and make a few bucks in the process. Sadly, this self-interested effort is being promoted in the guise of defending Christmas.

For example, the Alliance Defense Fund celebrates the season with an "It's OK to say Merry Christmas" campaign, implying that the ACLU has challenged such holiday greetings. (As part of the effort, you can get a pamphlet and two Christmas pins for $29.)
The website WorldNetDaily touts a book claiming "a thorough and virulent anti-Christmas campaign is being waged today by liberal activists and ACLU fanatics." The site's magazine has suggested there will be ACLU efforts to remove "In God We Trust" from U.S. currency, fire military chaplains, and expunge all references to God in America's founding documents. (Learn more for just $19.95 . . . )

Of course, there is no "Merry Christmas" lawsuit, nor is there any ACLU litigation about U.S. currency, military chaplains, etc. But the facts are not important to these groups, because their real message is this: By protecting the freedom of Muslims, Jews, and other non-Christians through preventing government entanglement with religion, the ACLU is somehow infringing on the rights of those with majority religious beliefs.

In truth, it is these website Christians who are taking the Christ out of the season. Nowhere in the Sermon on the Mount did Jesus Christ ask that we celebrate His birth with narrow-mindedness and intolerance, especially for those who are already marginalized and persecuted. Instead, the New Testament?like the Torah and the Koran and countless other sacred texts?commands us to love our neighbor, and to comfort the sick and the imprisoned.

That's what the ACLU does. We live in a country filled with people who are sick and disabled, people who are imprisoned, and people who hunger and thirst for justice. Those people come to our Indiana offices for help, at a rate of several hundred a week, usually because they have nowhere else to turn. The least of our brothers and sisters sure aren't getting any help from the Alliance Defense Fund or WorldNet Daily. So, as often as we can, ACLU secures justice for those folks who Jesus worried for the most.

As part of our justice mission, we work hard to protect the rights of free religious expression for all people, including Christians. For example, we recently defended the First Amendment rights of a Baptist minister to preach his message on public streets in southern Indiana. The ACLU intervened on behalf of a Christian valedictorian in a Michigan high school, which agreed to stop censoring religious yearbook entries, and supported the rights of Iowa students to distribute Christian literature at their school.

There are many more examples, because the ACLU is committed to preserving the constitutional guarantee of religious freedom for all. We agree with the U.S. Supreme Court's firm rulings that this freedom means that children who grow up in non-Christian homes should not be made to feel like outsiders in their own community's courthouse, legislature or public schoolhouse.

To our "Merry Christmas" correspondents and all other Hoosiers, we wish you happy holidays.

EDIT: Linkage
 
I think this isn't the only thing that is conjured, by extremists. Is there really a large multinational terrorist organization that is out to kill us? I think not.
 
Now, you know why Bill O'Reilly is on Keith Olbemann's "Worst Person In The World" list so often.
But tonight?s winner, Bill O?Reilly! You know this whole attack on Christmas nonsense that he made up? Some sort of fantasy in which the liberals are coming to your town to force you and your family to not call it Christmas anymore? The fantasy that we can?t say Merry Christmas, but you can only say Happy Holidays? The thing designed to stir up religious hatred and paranoia in this country? Guess what they?re selling over at the FOX News online store? The FOX News holidays ornament? And the O?Reilly Factor Holiday ornament. Who is trying to change Merry Christmas into Happy Holidays? Bill O?Reilly, that?s who. Today?s worst person in the world!
:thumbsup: 😎
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Now, you know why Bill O'Reilly is on Keith Olbemann's "Worst Person In The World" list so often.
But tonight?s winner, Bill O?Reilly! You know this whole attack on Christmas nonsense that he made up? Some sort of fantasy in which the liberals are coming to your town to force you and your family to not call it Christmas anymore? The fantasy that we can?t say Merry Christmas, but you can only say Happy Holidays? The thing designed to stir up religious hatred and paranoia in this country? Guess what they?re selling over at the FOX News online store? The FOX News holidays ornament? And the O?Reilly Factor Holiday ornament. Who is trying to change Merry Christmas into Happy Holidays? Bill O?Reilly, that?s who. Today?s worst person in the world!
:thumbsup: 😎

rofl, pwned
 
I love when the truth is in such stark contrast with the rhetoric you hear from the critics.

Where are all the ACLU haters? It would be nice to see at least ONE of them to react to this information.

It seems to happen all too often that people would rather bitch and moan about an issue then to seek the truth. There are too many examples to list... strong female voters who thought Clinton was a good guy who respected women, conservatives that believe Bush has their best interests in mind (or the country for that matter), religious fundementalists who believe the ACLU is the enemy, parents and law enforcement who believe the war on drugs is working / winnable....

Without an open mind primed for new information, things are just going to get worse...
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Now, you know why Bill O'Reilly is on Keith Olbemann's "Worst Person In The World" list so often.
But tonight?s winner, Bill O?Reilly! You know this whole attack on Christmas nonsense that he made up? Some sort of fantasy in which the liberals are coming to your town to force you and your family to not call it Christmas anymore? The fantasy that we can?t say Merry Christmas, but you can only say Happy Holidays? The thing designed to stir up religious hatred and paranoia in this country? Guess what they?re selling over at the FOX News online store? The FOX News holidays ornament? And the O?Reilly Factor Holiday ornament. Who is trying to change Merry Christmas into Happy Holidays? Bill O?Reilly, that?s who. Today?s worst person in the world!
:thumbsup: 😎

Even better was when he played a clip from "yesterday's" Daily Show from "Secular Central" where Samantha Bee is making fun of not being able to say "Happy Holidays." Problem is, it was from *last* Christmas.
 
Originally posted by: oculus
I love when the truth is in such stark contrast with the rhetoric you hear from the critics.

Where are all the ACLU haters? It would be nice to see at least ONE of them to react to this information.

I don't know there is a severe lack amount of debate on this board now... 🙁

We need to have long bans, and less permanent ones.
 
Where are all the ACLU haters? It would be nice to see at least ONE of them to react to this information.
Um, what information...it is a letter from an ACLU director...do you honestly think she would write anything other then to paint the ACLU in the most favorable light.

We agree with the U.S. Supreme Court's firm rulings that this freedom means that children who grow up in non-Christian homes should not be made to feel like outsiders in their own community's courthouse, legislature or public schoolhouse.
This should be the extent of the ACLU's mandate, and nothing more...the degree to which the ACLU, in some cases, pursues this goal is a bit excessive...just as the religious right can be excessive in their knee jerk reaction to any perceived infringement on their beliefs.

Religion, and the ACLU, both serve a purpose in our society...and both have a tendency to step on each other's toes.

 
What exactly is the significance of Christmas in contemporary American society...even the origin of the Christian celebration itself has pagan origins...the Christian church of Roman times adopted many cultural traditions to make Christianity more pallatable to the masses.

Christmas in America has become a celebration of sorts that has many different meanings, none of which are religious or Christian specific...it has become a uniquely American phenomenon of uber-commercialism, mythic imagery and tradition...there is nothing particularly spiritual about the American manifestation of Christmas, and not every American who celebrates Christmas is simultaneously celebrating the birth of Jesus.

To strip the term Christmas from the season is a game of semantics, an ongoing battle of will between those who wish to push religion down all of our collective throats, and those who wish for a purely secular society.

Perhaps we should examine all of our holidays and traditions...the myth of Santa Claus also has Christian origins, a transformation of a Christian saint across various other myths and cultural traditions...surely we should eliminate this symbol of Christian sainthood.

Or take mardis gras for instance...the origins of which come from the tradition of binging in sin prior to the observance of Lent...yet in today's society, mardis gras has largely transformed into one big party that consists of binge drinking and women showing their tatas for beads adorned with penis ornaments...and I guarantee that the majority of those who celebrate mardis gras have no intention of engaging in the fasting associated with Lent, yet that is one of the cultural origins of the celebration.

Italians hold numerous festivals in most major American cities in observance of various Saints...yet the religious significance of these street festivals has now become more about consuming vast amounts of sausage and peppers, and not so much the celebration of the Saint for whom the festival is named.

Many Christians celebrate Halloween, which is has significant pagan and wiccan significance...the American version of Halloween is about costumes and candy, yet the naming of the day has spiritual significance to those who practice those beliefs...perhaps we should change the name to Masquerade or Costume Day to remove any obvious pagan bias.

Similarly, perhaps we should do away with New Years celebrations, as not every culture celebrates the Roman calendar New Year...I know several people of various ethnic origins that observe a New Years celebration seperate from that which we observe on December 31st/January 1st.

The origin of cultural traditions is irrelevant...American culture is unique in that it is a combination of numerous cultural traditions, as would be expected for an increasingly multi-ethnic society...to strip our society of its traditions, regardless of their origin, is to make our society a very bland one to live in.
 
Christmas Tree was introduced by Royals from England. Where they got the tree concept from is somewhat unclear. The Evergreen has always been thought of a promise of the return of spring, just as the birth of Jesus is like a renewing or a rebirth of God's promise to the earth. The gifts are like a repetition of the gifts give to baby Jesus in the Manger, or whereever he was at the time that the Maggi finally met up with him. Typically we steal an idea here and then an idea from someplace else then the corporate backbone of America tries to get people to buy into it.

Sometimes I long for the mythical Dr Seuss version of everyone in Who-ville who held hands and sang around their Christmas Tree in Who-Ville even after they found they had no presents. I wonder what God thinks about how we have ruined his Son's Birthday Celebration? May God Bless you All this happy Holiday Season.
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

This should be the extent of the ACLU's mandate, and nothing more...the degree to which the ACLU, in some cases, pursues this goal is a bit excessive...just as the religious right can be excessive in their knee jerk reaction to any perceived infringement on their beliefs.

Religion, and the ACLU, both serve a purpose in our society...and both have a tendency to step on each other's toes.

ACLU are a private organization and they sure don't need you to tell them what their mandate should be. Do they tell YOU what to post?

Edit: typos.
 
I thought we were supposed to be giving thanks and praise to Jesus.. not sales tax and presents to Corporate America?
 
ACLU are a private organization and they sure don't need you to tell them what their mandate should be. Do they tell YOU what to post?
No, but the protection of civil liberties covers a fairly large brushstroke, and the ACLU does paint outside of the lines sometimes.

Case in point...having grown up in a fairly liberal community, I know of several kids I grew up with who are active and/or vocal supporters of the ACLU...some of them are atheists...I find it a bit ironic and intellectually dishonest that those who fall in the atheist camp are also the most venemously opposed to religious influences in our society...that, to me, is an alterior motive that steps beyond the good intentions of protecting civil liberties.

Atheists hiding under the banner of the ACLU, pushing their agenda, are no different then these radical right wing nutjobs who hide behind the protective harb of Christianity. Birds of the same feather I dare say.
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
ACLU are a private organization and they sure don't need you to tell them what their mandate should be. Do they tell YOU what to post?
No, but the protection of civil liberties covers a fairly large brushstroke, and the ACLU does paint outside of the lines sometimes.

Case in point...having grown up in a fairly liberal community, I know of several kids I grew up with who are active and/or vocal supporters of the ACLU...some of them are atheists...I find it a bit ironic and intellectually dishonest that those who fall in the atheist camp are also the most venemously opposed to religious influences in our society...that, to me, is an alterior motive that steps beyond the good intentions of protecting civil liberties.

Atheists hiding under the banner of the ACLU, pushing their agenda, are no different then these radical right wing nutjobs who hide behind the protective harb of Christianity. Birds of the same feather I dare say.

It doen't matter if they are Atheists, Satanists, or the Pope. The ACLU decides NOTHING. What they do is raise issues in Courts of Law. That's when the arguements of the ACLU and Opposition(whomever) are weighed by a Judge or Judges. If the ACLU wins, it means their arguement was well presented and that the issue had merit.

Don't blame the ACLU for setting the record straight, blame those who perpetuated the wrong for so long.
 
That's when the arguements of the ACLU and Opposition(whomever) are weighed by a Judge or Judges. If the ACLU wins, it means their arguement was well presented and that the issue had merit.
Hardly...more often then not, the threat of an ACLU lawsuit is all that it takes to change a behavioral pattern...more of a bully effect then an appeal to justice...many organizations, even when legally they are in the right, concede to ACLU demands as opposed to facing the monetary and PR implications of fighting the ACLU in court...that is the reality.

The ACLU decides NOTHING. What they do is raise issues in Courts of Law.
They also lobby the legislative branch, engage local governments, and use the monetary power of their organization to throw their weight around...if the ACLU were strictly confined by the legal merits of their cases in a court of law, they wouldn't get very far...in contemporary American society, whoever makes the most noise often wins...it has nothing to do with justice or legality.

Don't blame the ACLU for setting the record straight, blame those who perpetuated the wrong for so long.
Tyranny of the minority is not setting the record straight...the threat of expensive lawsuits is the true wrong.
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
That's when the arguements of the ACLU and Opposition(whomever) are weighed by a Judge or Judges. If the ACLU wins, it means their arguement was well presented and that the issue had merit.
Hardly...more often then not, the threat of an ACLU lawsuit is all that it takes to change a behavioral pattern...more of a bully effect then an appeal to justice...many organizations, even when legally they are in the right, concede to ACLU demands as opposed to facing the monetary and PR implications of fighting the ACLU in court...that is the reality.

The ACLU decides NOTHING. What they do is raise issues in Courts of Law.
They also lobby the legislative branch, engage local governments, and use the monetary power of their organization to throw their weight around...if the ACLU were strictly confined by the legal merits of their cases in a court of law, they wouldn't get very far...in contemporary American society, whoever makes the most noise often wins...it has nothing to do with justice or legality.

Don't blame the ACLU for setting the record straight, blame those who perpetuated the wrong for so long.
Tyranny of the minority is not setting the record straight...the threat of expensive lawsuits is the true wrong.

Ridiculous. The ACLU dictates to no one. If people choose to settle rather than fight, that's not the fault of the ACLU.
 
Is not allowing people to pray protecting rights or taking them away? The ten commandments sit above the Supreme Court's heads, but not in any other public place? I'm not totally against the ACLU, but we Americans can do just fine without you, thanks. If someone wants to post their Islamic stuff anywhere they want, I'm fine with it, as long as it doesn't include that section of the Koran calling for a jihad on the infidels, which are us. Some people will always find things intrusive, while others won't. Get over it, and ignore whatever you don't like, unless it truly is getting rammed down your throat.
 
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