BWAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!! Way to choose an intelligent barometer that supports your position. I think we should measure intelligence by alphabetical last name. B comes before K.
BWAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!! Way to choose an intelligent barometer that supports your position. I think we should measure intelligence by alphabetical last name. B comes before K.
Zebo
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W is smart I've always said so. Comes from high gene pool.
His problem is he has no wisdom or life experiance since he breezed though it as a fortunate son. This impeads his ability to speak, use proper grammer, have sucess in biz, success as a leader or statesmen, or pretty much anything else which requires merit instead of influence and control of certain assets.
Politician or salesman is a perfect career for him... can't dazzel them with brilliance.. baffle them with bullsh1t.:thumbsup:
His problem is he has no wisdom or life experiance since he breezed though it as a fortunate son. This impeads his ability to speak, use proper grammer, have sucess in biz, success as a leader or statesmen, or pretty much anything else which requires merit instead of influence and control of certain assets.
Politician or salesman is a perfect career for him... can't dazzel them with brilliance.. baffle them with bullsh1t.:thumbsup:
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Have a, I guess. Maybe you can sit this one out while the "big people" talk, hmm?
Is that the best that you have? I am making a factual claim which you don't even address. George W Bush has admitted that he was an alcoholic. It is well known that alcholism leads to long term brain damage, and we can even diagnose it with a special medical test known as a PET Scan. In this scan there are areas that are known to be damaged - these correlate with known physiological problems (ie if you damage the "speaking" part of the brain then you will have speech problems).
What I am telling you is that the slips of the tongue and the frequent verbal problems are quite indicative of brain damage consistent with alcohol abuse.
Rather than dismiss why don't you address the core of my claim - that it was his long history of alcohol abuse which has led to the problems we see today.
George W Bush may have done moderately well on the SATs in his youth but he then drove his brain into a wall for the next two decades. Anyone who thinks otherwise is ignorant of the truth.
It seems he's finally ended up in a position where his Daddie can't pull anymore strings for him..He is on his own and has mucked things up badly.
Zebo
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Originally posted by: TuxDave
Wait wait wait... so let me get THIS straight....
Yale acceptance is or should be based purely on SAT scores? So with my score of 1470 on the SAT, I rightfully should've had a place in Yale? DAMN I should've applied...
Ya you should have... And it's free just ask rabid mongoose.
How does this all translate to ACT? I took that one got 22 before entering navy and 31 after. I was'nt college bound in HS...to much playing like GW.
TuxDave
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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Wait wait wait... so let me get THIS straight....
Yale acceptance is or should be based purely on SAT scores? So with my score of 1470 on the SAT, I rightfully should've had a place in Yale? DAMN I should've applied...
Ya you should have... And it's free just ask rabid mongoose.
How does this all translate to ACT? I took that one got 22 before entering navy and 31 after. I was'nt college bound in HS...to much playing like GW.
Umm.... my respect for Yale and Harvard alike have dropped even more if even I am capable of getting in those schools just because of a good SAT score. Nonetheless, I'm an engineer, and there's nothing for me there.
nakedfrog
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I base my appraisal of his intellect based solely on the last four years. I have seen absolutely NOTHING from him that makes me think he's smarter than an average person. Quite the opposite in fact.
Fool me once, shame on you... fool me, uh... yeah...
Fool me once, shame on you... fool me, uh... yeah...
Exactly the kind of language problems you would expect in Frontal and Parietal Lobe Damage consistent with alcohol damage.
"Neuropathological, neuroimaging, and neuropsychological studies have shown that the prefrontal cortex [speech area] and regions of the cerebellum are especially vulnerable to the untoward effects of chronic alcoholism," said Edith Sullivan (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_...-09/ace-amc090803.php)
Zebo
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Here are some actions which display high levels of smartness IMO.
Solidifing base and campaign contributions though;
1. Massive tax cuts to those with lots of diposable income, they appreciate such benefit, and write checks to GWB.com showing thier apreciation.
2. Massive welfare to Phram cos, DOD contractors, and pertty much any other biz who has shown a willingness to play the game. They also write checks in droves because it's an excellent ROI.
3. War is always good to make the puplic unite behind president, geobel said so 60 years ago and it's a universal truth.
4. His actions in Iraq, from torturing prisoners for information to stop the attacks and corresponding political bleeding. Unfortunatly, this one came to light. To later insured instigation by raiding homes, half assed rebuilding, etc, which will enable us to secure Iraq for corporate profit and plunder for a very long time. Even Kerry is now seeing the financial light for his patrons and has said we will increase troop presence and bases.
...there are many more instances of pure genious BY GWB which I'll have to finish on later because a lab assist is bugging me...work and all.
cKGunslinger
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No, I reject your arguments on the assumption that you are probably rather young, and therefore a product of the "OMG! Teh drugs and teh booze will rot your brain!!!111one"-mentality that has been preached for the last few decades, in direct response to the perceived over-indulgence of controlled substances during the 60s and 70s. Yes, we can probably see some differences in cells or activity in the brain of someone who has been a chronic abuser of mind-altering substances. We can probably even correlate that with a few points drop in IQ or some other random mental test. But to assume that a person goes from "smart" to "stupid" because he spent his youth drinking and doing drugs is not an accepted scientific theory, but rather a crack-pot scare tactic taught to our kids in an effort to control them.
Yes, drugs are bad (mmm-kay) and so is the abuse of any substance (hell, too much water will kill you.) But there is no valid scientific study that says "if you do some drugs for a few years or drink heavily, it will cut your intelligence in half." If you want to make the argument that Bush is maybe 1-2% "less smart" than before his "wild days," then I might listen to your ramblings. But as long as you argue that the "malapropisms that constantly spew from his mouth" are due to his previous drinking habits and apparent "brain-damage," you will be ignored.
kage69
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"More seldom than not, the movies gives us exquisite sex and violence that underscores our values. Every two child did. I will."
-Economic Club meeting in Detroit, MI. 2000.
"King Abdullah of Jordan, the King of Morocco, I mean, there's a series of places Qatar, Oman I mean, places that are developing Bahrain they're all developing the habits of free societies."
-Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2004
"Washington is a town where there's all kinds of allegations. You've heard much of the allegations. And if people have got solid information, please come forward with it. And that would be people inside the information who are the so-called anonymous sources, or people outside the information outside the administration."
-Chicago, Sept. 30, 2003
"The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself."
-Grand Rapids, Mich., Jan. 29, 2003
"There's a lot of people in the Middle East who are desirous to get into the Mitchell process. And but first things first. The these terrorist acts and, you know, the responses have got to end in order for us to get the framework the groundwork not framework, the groundwork to discuss a framework for peace, to lay the all right."
-Referring to former Sen. George Mitchell's report on Middle East peace, Crawford, Texas, Aug. 13, 2001
Blind Partisan of the Year Award Nominee!!!
-Economic Club meeting in Detroit, MI. 2000.
"King Abdullah of Jordan, the King of Morocco, I mean, there's a series of places Qatar, Oman I mean, places that are developing Bahrain they're all developing the habits of free societies."
-Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2004
"Washington is a town where there's all kinds of allegations. You've heard much of the allegations. And if people have got solid information, please come forward with it. And that would be people inside the information who are the so-called anonymous sources, or people outside the information outside the administration."
-Chicago, Sept. 30, 2003
"The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself."
-Grand Rapids, Mich., Jan. 29, 2003
"There's a lot of people in the Middle East who are desirous to get into the Mitchell process. And but first things first. The these terrorist acts and, you know, the responses have got to end in order for us to get the framework the groundwork not framework, the groundwork to discuss a framework for peace, to lay the all right."
-Referring to former Sen. George Mitchell's report on Middle East peace, Crawford, Texas, Aug. 13, 2001
Blind Partisan of the Year Award Nominee!!!
:beer:Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
If I had to choose I'd take smart as well.
Still, it's like telling me that in my choice for Miss America I can either pick a pretty face or big boobs. Bzzzt...I demand both!
You might think that, yet I'm guessing he's more successful in all of these ventures than you have been. *shrug*
I know for one that I've NEVER made a slip-up during a speech, particularly not when the weight of the world is on my shoulders. Maybe you're right. Does it really mean anything other than he's not as eloquent as maybe he should be? No.
nakedfrog
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Taking dirty money from your cronies to advance their cause does not qualify one as smart, just greedy. Any idiot can play the "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" game.
If war is so good for uniting the public behind a president, how come we had so many protesters? Many of the people I know that first supported the war pulled off the fleece and are now very disenfranchised. Lots of them even said if he would have just told the truth in the first place, they would have supported him. Now they're angry about be lied to.
I stand by my statement; I have seen no intelligent acts from this man.
Lots and lots of people did better than him-- including me. 8% of the total population = a lot of individuals who probably could have done a better job in the presidency.
We need the best of the best for presidency. He doesn't cut it.
And this is IF we ignore his other test results.
Finally, there's a difference between intelligence and wisdom. Bush lacks wisdom and I think it's fair to say he lacks intelligence as well given his overall history.
8% of the total population = a lot of individuals who probably could have done a better job in the presidency.We need the best of the best for presidency. He doesn't cut it.
And this is IF we ignore his other test results.
Finally, there's a difference between intelligence and wisdom. Bush lacks wisdom and I think it's fair to say he lacks intelligence as well given his overall history.
Hahaha.
Yeah, I am glad to see you making outrageous scientific claims on the basis of perceived conspiracy. Dale Dribble is that you?
No, I am not young, highly impressionable, nor brainwashed. I am, however, highly educated and familiar with PubMed.
In short I will tell you this: chronic alcohol abuse will lead to cirrhosis, which will kill your liver. It does basically the same thing to your brain. We're not talking 1-2%, as you claim, but whole shrinking and damaging of vital brain areas. Alcohol abuse, especially over 20 years, absolutely and definitely has significant impact on the brain. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. No guessing or making it up. No "slight, little, 1-2%" difference.
It kills your liver and it shrinks your brain.
If I didn't know any better I'd think you were one of those red staters who believe in some liberal conspiracy; the rabidly anti-intellectual kind which has no place for "facts" or "science." Instead you buy into some kind of conspiracy theory where we tell people that drugs and alcohol are bad - not because that is the objective, actual truth - but rather so that we can impose some liberal fear mongering on America's children. The drugs and booze will rot your brain - that is the truth.
If you are going to respond do so with actual evidence and stop making things up. You sound like an idiot to anyone who actually knows what they are talking about.
Here, then, relevant results:
Genes and gene expression in the brain of the alcoholic
Dodd PR, Foley PF, Buckley ST, Eckert AL, Innes DJ
Chronic alcoholism leads to localized brain damage, which is prominent in superior frontal cortex but mild in motor cortex. The likelihood of developing alcohol dependence is associated with genetic markers... Genotype may modulate amino acid transmission locally so as to mediate neuronal vulnerability. This has implications for the effectiveness of pharmacological interventions aimed at ameliorating brain damage and, possibly, dependence.
Using magnetic resonance imaging and diffusion tensor imaging to assess brain damage in alcoholics
Rosenbloom M, Sullivan EV, Pfefferbaum A
Brain imaging using conventional magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) has revealed that several brain structures in people with a history of chronic alcohol dependence are smaller in volume than the same brain structures in nonalcoholic control subjects. Areas that are particularly affected are the frontal lobes, which are involved in reasoning, judgment, and problem solving. Older people are especially vulnerable to the damaging effects of alcohol. It is unclear whether women show consistently more vulnerability to these changes in the brain than men do. In general, alcoholics evaluated before and after a period of abstinence show some recovery of tissue volume, whereas alcoholics evaluated again after continued drinking show further reductions in brain tissue volume. A new MR technique called diffusion tensor imaging (DTI) can aid in detecting the degradation of fibers (i.e., white matter) that carry information between brain cells (i.e., gray matter). With DTI, researchers studying alcoholics have been able to detect abnormalities in white matter not visible with conventional MRI. Ultimately DTI may be useful in elucidating the mechanisms that underlie macrostructural and functional brain changes seen with abstinence and relapse.
Cumulative lifelong alcohol consumption alters auditory brainstem potentials.
Smith ES, Riechelmann H
...The alcohol consumption of the head and neck tumor patients corresponded to high-risk, dangerous, and risky alcohol consumption behavior... Alcohol consumption leads to damage in the brainstem
cKGunslinger
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Wait, we have a new contender!
Or were those well thought out and meaningful comments brought out by rational considerations, void of partisan feelings, and inspired to spur futher debate?
He has, except it was a slow 20 year alcoholic one rather than a 2/10th of a second car accident one.
cKGunslinger
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- Nov 29, 1999
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*plonk* And now you know why you get a
You can post fact after fact about how alcoholism affects the brain and I will never question them. But when you post drivel implying that every one of Bush's verbal fumblings is the direct cause of alcohol-induced brain damage, you get a treat:
cKGunslinger
Lifer
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Without a doubt, Bush's blunders are amusing and often embarrassing, and pointing them out does not make you partisan. But comparing his level of intelligence to a 3rd grader (not you, another poster) does, IMO. Gore and other democratic candidates have said some "interesting" things over the years, but you don't see me saying "OMG! Gore is teh stoopidest man al1ve!" To do so is childish and takes away from the credibility of the poster.
OK chief, here's the problem with your idea: you assume that shrinking brain volume is indicative of shrinking inttelligence. Do you have a source that supports this? Oh, and the 'source' that you posted above... Where is the source?
If this is true, then I have brain stem damage. In fact, almost everyone here has brain stem damage. Amazing. Did you know that water is actually an alcohol (H-OH)? You can get drunk off it. It's called water intoxication. I've been drunk enough before to almost drown in the ocean - does that mean I'm less intelligent now than I was when I started, or that my brain stem is damaged? If so, I'd better go turn in my lab keys and return the money that I'm getting paid to go to school. I've even seen studies that show drinking beer in moderation is good for you. A glass of red wine every day is good for you - both of my parents do, and they're hardly slurring their words or unable to speak.
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
*plonk* And now you know why you get a
You can post fact after fact about how alcoholism affects the brain and I will never question them (except when I say "But to assume that a person goes from "smart" to "stupid" because he spent his youth drinking and doing drugs is not an accepted scientific theory, but rather a crack-pot scare tactic taught to our kids in an effort to control them.")
But when you post drivel implying that every one of Bush's verbal fumblings is the direct cause of alcohol-induced brain damage, you get a treat:
Let's try this again. First you tell me that I am "rather young, and therefore a product of the "OMG! Teh drugs and teh booze will rot your brain!!!111one"-mentality that has been preached for the last few decades" thus calling me either
A) stupid
B) ignorant of what I am talking about
So then I post what is modern, peer-reviewed, scientifically correct proof that alcohol does, in fact, "rot your brain." And make it quite clear that you were talking out of your a$$ and making things up without any real knowledge.
I never claimed that every single verbal fumbling was the result of alcoholic damage. What I said, and continue to say, is "the continuous and extensive verbal fumbles that spew out of his mouth are consistent with brain damage resulting from long term alcohol abuse."
How about you say "After impugning your character and ridiculing your statements, attributing them to mass conspiracy rather than factual scientific knowledge, I now know that I am wrong and you are right. Not only did I make wildly outrageous claims for which I had no proof but only in the face of staggering evidence to the contrary do I admit that I am, in fact, wrong. And to cover the fact that I had questioned your claim that alcoholism leads to brain damage I now say that I will never question them (because to do so would be to expose my blinding ignorance and make me subject to ridicule)."
You are a partisan hack. Pure and simple. Only this time you got caught in your ignorance and exposed.
You shifted the debate from whether GW Bush is intelligent to now admitting that only some, not all, of his verbal fumbles are the result of alcohol damage.
Instead of some "shift the issue" response I ask that you only answer one question:
If his extensive and continuous verbal fumbles are not the result of brain damage - that is, not each and every one - then what is your reasoning for the fact that the President is continuously tripping over the English language? What is your explanation?
It is about time that people like me start standing up to you conservative hacks and the problems which you have brought to our country.
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