How Should I Handle This Lawn Care Company Billing Issue?

Ornery

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In the beginning of the year, I got quotes for four applications of chemicals to our lawn, from a few companies. I took the outfit with the best quote. Yesterday I found bills for a fifth application of fertilizer and an equal sized bill for lime, which of course, I never asked for.

I searched high and low for the initial quote, to prove that last fertilizer application wasn't ordered, but I couldn't find it. I called the company and bitched anyway. The owner called back and said he had no record of a mere four application request, but he would let the fee for the lime application slide. I said OK to that, since I had no proof.

This morning I see a guy putting an application of something on the back yard! WTF! I ran out and told him to stop. Asked why he was there? He said he was told to come out and finish the job, since only the front had been completed yesterday. Son of a bitch! I told him the situation, that I didn't want that last application in the first place, and I for damn sure didn't want the lime. Told him about my phone call and how I was trying to knock the cost down etc.

I called and left a message there. When he calls back, what should I tell him? I'm thinking about asking if I can pay half the agreed upon price. He initially said he would let that second bill slide. I don't know if he was aware it was only half applied or not. It's starting to seem shady to me. They've done a pretty good job up till now. Good coverage of fertilizer compared to some I've had in the past. Only other bitch I've had, is the fact that they put an application down during a drought, when the grass was brown and dormant. Matter of fact, that kind of pissed me off. I should have bailed on them at that point. I think I'll bring that up when he calls.

How do I maximize my bang for the buck at this point? I could use continued patronage as leverage. In other words, threaten to not have him back next year. Not sure what I can really demand from him at this point. Not sure what he can demand from me, either! Damn, you just can't trust anybody, anymore...
 

BD231

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Nothing a good run by stabbing wouldn't take care of, or you could always take the guy working on your lawn hostage to, I have a night stick if you need some help.
 

rudder

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don't you have any sort of contract in writing? If not, I would tell them to $#*&$*#& off. Of course they will probably come late at night an spray poison all over your lawn. Thats why you always get stuff like this in writing. A quote doesn't always reflect an actual contract so you can't always rely on those either unless you get it signed and agreed upon.
 

Ornery

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Damn it, I'm unemployed right now. Sending off rebate forms to collect $5.00. Returning items to Walmart, which were used for a Halloween costume. Using coupons to buy stuff, and now I have a bill that dwarfs those meager savings! :disgust:

Man, I'd give this guy an ear full when he calls, but I'm not sure that will get me what I want. I want to keep as many dollars in my pocket as possible right now! Ugh, I gotta keep my head and play my cards right, or it's gonna cost me...

Edit: Yep, my fault for not having a contract. The most I would be able to dig up was his quote for the cost per application. It was by phone that I asked for only a total of four, and that was to his secretary. But, damn, where does he come up with this lime application? I've NEVER seen anybody just throw that down without asking!
 

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Tell this guy you know lime is cheap. 50 lbs is like 2.00 at Home depot.
 

Ornery

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I know, but you're paying for the labor. This is waht's stupid. He had his guy make two trips out here! I'm thinking I could have negotiated to pay half what was agreed to yesterday! :frown:
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: Ornery

Edit: Yep, my fault for not having a contract. The most I would be able to dig up was his quote for the cost per application. It was by phone that I asked for only a total of four, and that was to his secretary. But, damn, where does he come up with this lime application? I've NEVER seen anybody just throw that down without asking!

Well not having a contract works both ways. Unless he can prove you authorized the lawn applications other than "by the phone via the secretary" I don't think you would have to pay. Especially if they came to your house and just started spraying without telling anyone. You have to be a hard ass, but if you need the money you have to do what you have to do.

 

Ornery

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I've had several lawn care outfits over the last twenty years. Nobody ever signs such a contract. Not that it couldn't be done, but it would be unusual. I just thought his initial written quote included mention of four applications for X amount of dollars each. Now of course, I can't find it.

So, you think I should just refuse to pay? Suppose he messes up my credit? It's possible, right? Not worth it really. Besides, he did put some stuff on the lawn that's worth something. I expect to give him some compensation, but now I'm wondering what actually was applied and where! He left these damn bills, like the job was done, when obviously it wasn't. Man, I've got to find a way to parlay this in my favor without getting my credit messed up or anything else.

I'm gonna search more for that damn quote...
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Since you are unemployed, you may be able to get free legal aid. Check this out and if you cannot get a satisfactory resolution, you can always pull the lawyer card out of your sleeve.
 

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Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: Ornery

Edit: Yep, my fault for not having a contract. The most I would be able to dig up was his quote for the cost per application. It was by phone that I asked for only a total of four, and that was to his secretary. But, damn, where does he come up with this lime application? I've NEVER seen anybody just throw that down without asking!

Well not having a contract works both ways. Unless he can prove you authorized the lawn applications other than "by the phone via the secretary" I don't think you would have to pay. Especially if they came to your house and just started spraying without telling anyone. You have to be a hard ass, but if you need the money you have to do what you have to do.
Yep, time to tell the owner to prove you requested the 5th application. If he can't, I wouldn't pay.

Of course, you should plan on finding someone else to work with next year...

 

Ornery

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"get free legal aid"
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Um, I hate to say it, but we're only talking $60.00 here. $120.00 if I had to pay for both lime and fertilizer and that's only if he did the whole lawn, which doesn't seem to be the case.

Just found the quote. No mention of only four applications. There were recommendations of $80.00 core aeration and other stuff, but no concise agreement. Damn...

At this point the maximum he and I agreed on was the $60.00 fee. That's before I knew only the front yard was done. I expect the total to drop from there, but I'm not sure how much. Sorry it's such a miniscule amount of money, but I'm broke! :eek:
 

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I had an outfit (Chemlawn) do the same for me this season.Just show up and then give me a bill for 40 bucks. But they guareenteed to improve my lawn and renew it from fungus damage and broadleaf weed infestastion. They over seeded and charged me a few hundred dollars. The whole summer goes by and no improvement AT ALL! I call the compsny to complain, they come out to inspect and do another 40 dollar apllication and then put a notatation on the bill that I should go to a hydroseed company to get my lawn back in shape.


I called and fired them, never payiing another dime to them, 5 minutes after reading that note on the bill.

Onery, It's much cheaper to do it yourself. And its not that difficult. Get a walk behind spreader and do your own lawn care. you will save lots of money and have pride in your own accomplishments. Thee is a lot of help on the web too.

Sorry to hear you are un employed. I hope that changes for you soon also.
 

Ornery

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When I first hired them, their fee was only $20.00 more than if I purchased the chemicals myself. I had been doing it up till this year, but the price of this stuff must have gone up or something. At least that was the case in the spring. Besides that, I had them do only the front lawn of this house, and the front of the one next door, which we had renovated and had up for sale. The bill was made out just for that house, so we could write it off. Didn't make sense for me to do it myself then.

Next year will be a different story. I'm not too fussy about the landscaping, but my wife has been harping to keep it up a bit. Shoot, I'm doing good just keeping it cut!

Oh well, I'll try and talk him down to thirty dollars, while leading him to believe he'll still have my business in the spring. I think I'll pocket that $20.00 savings and do it myself next year, as you suggested. Heck, it only takes 20 minutes with a broadcast spreader anyway!