How safe are we really when there is no profit in peace.

smashp

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Its Republicans and some Democrats that are encouraging the movement of our Government based military to one that is a majority of the private sector. They are giving more control and management of military logistics and research matters to the private sectors (Exp Haliburton). This Transfer of Power eliminates our ability as citizens to be sure the military is run properly due to trade secret laws and over classification of information. You are unable to do FOIA request on a Privately held government contrator. The Larger the Role the private sector has in the Business of War, The larger their incentive is to Make War and take advantage of the excellent "growth potential" that War will Provide them.


From the article.
Halliburton?s efforts in the field were considered highly effective. Yet Sam Gardiner, the retired Air Force colonel, told me that the success of private contractors in the battlefield has had an unforeseen consequence at the Pentagon. ?It makes it too easy to go to war,? he said. ?When you can hire people to go to war, there?s none of the grumbling and the political friction.? He noted that much of the scut work now being contracted out to firms like Halliburton was traditionally performed by reserve soldiers, who often complain the loudest.

There are some hundred and thirty-five thousand American troops in Iraq, but Gardiner estimated that there would be as many as three hundred thousand if not for private contractors. He said, ?Think how much harder it would have been to get Congress, or the American public, to support those numbers.?

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the basic thinking is private companies are not overburdened with bureacratic regulation and are able to perform the same work with better efficiency for less money saving government tax dollars. these companies are still subject to government accounting. they are audited on multiple local, national, extra-national levels. they pay taxes in many regions throughout the world in which they operate.
 

EXman

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"War serves only war." What movie was that in?
I like "Peace ain't Free" personally.
 
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I think it was Truman who said 'We are going to have peace, even if we have to fight for it.' ...and we are fighting for it now...and we'll hit pay dirt someday, I hope :)
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: syzygy
the basic thinking is private companies are not overburdened with bureacratic regulation and are able to perform the same work with better efficiency for less money saving government tax dollars. these companies are still subject to government accounting. they are audited on multiple local, national, extra-national levels. they pay taxes in many regions throughout the world in which they operate.

the tax revenue is a null point in this argument. So if a War profiting company is paying taxes it is good for the economy? How so when the government pays the contracts of the war companies. Not to mention the specialized tax breaks and tax avoidence (Haliburtons non-existant caymen islands office) these companies benifit from. We still Spend more to go to war then we eould to maintain peace.

With corporate involment the real costs of the war are never seen and are hidden in the private sector.


IMHO these compaines are pilfering money from taxpayers. Its a gigantic Loan sharking scam and our ability and willingness to deficit spend encourages it.
 

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Originally posted by: syzygy
the basic thinking is private companies are not overburdened with bureacratic regulation and are able to perform the same work with better efficiency for less money saving government tax dollars.
Anyone who works for a giant company like Halliburton knows this is not true. They are both inefficient and overburdened with bureaucracy.
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: syzygy
the basic thinking is private companies are not overburdened with bureacratic regulation and are able to perform the same work with better efficiency for less money saving government tax dollars.
Anyone who works for a giant company like Halliburton knows this is not true. They are both inefficient and overburdened with bureaucracy.



The Argument often used Against Evil Big government is the Bureacarcy that it promotes and ineffiect.

So Small government conservatives push for gigantic inefficient corporations to do the work instead of government and when problems occur, they blame it on bureacratic reasons.


I feel they prefer the Private corporation because it is easier to do Unethical things rather than continue to have to worry about checks and balances or oversight.