How Republicans sabotaged (and will continue to sabotage) the recovery

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Foreign Policy just put a long opinion/argument piece by Daniel Altman that alleges that the Republicans in Congress did their best to sabotage the American economic recovery, and that if elected Mr. Romney will further hurt the nation by indulging in five policy myths. It's a long read but fairly interesting.

Foreign Policy - How Republicans Sabotaged the Recovery

Imagine, for a moment, how difficult it would have been to land a man on the moon if half of the U.S. Congress had believed that the sun revolved around the earth. Or consider how the War in the Pacific might have progressed if half of Congress had still thought the world was flat. Or whether polio would have been eradicated if half of Congress insisted that the best cure was bleeding using leeches.

Unfortunately, this was the situation the United States in January 2009, when Barack Obama assumed the presidency. The nation was trying to climb out of the deepest economic hole since the Great Depression, but the Republican Party had about as scientific an approach to the economy as medieval alchemists did to the periodic table.

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So when Obama cast himself as a compromiser ready to temper the legislative proposals of the Democrats in Congress, the Republicans got whatever they could from him -- often while Obama's supporters cried foul -- and made sure to water down his proposals as well. It started with the first stimulus package. In January 2009, Obama announced his proposal for a combination of tax cuts and new spending worth $825 billion over the coming decade, including more than half a trillion dollars in the first two years.

By this point, the value of the economy's annual output of goods and services had already shrunk by about five percent, adjusted for changes in prices, since its peak in the fourth quarter of 2007. This was a big hole to fill, easily worth half a trillion dollars a year. The stimulus wouldn't replace all that had been lost, but it might prevent a bad situation from lasting longer and getting worse.

In the end, Congress agreed to $787 billion in stimulus spread over 10 years. Would it be enough? Some economists already had their doubts. Even Christina Romer, who would soon chair the president's Council of Economic Advisors, had pushed Larry Summers, a former Treasury secretary and Obama's top economic advisor, to recommend $1.8 trillion in stimulus to Obama in December 2008. Across the Pacific, China had just announced its own stimulus package of $586 billion over just two years -- and that was for an economy only a third the size of the United States that had no deficits problems and was still expected to grow quickly for many years.

If the American economy still stood on the brink of a new recession a year or two years hence, the president and Congress would have to consider another attempt. After all, Americans would be suffering the pain of joblessness, foreclosure, and bankruptcy until the economy returned to strong growth.

As they girded for each fight against a president they were determined to defeat, the Republicans fell back on the basic tenets of their economic philosophy. Unfortunately for the American people, those tenets were myths. Each one of the economic concepts that the Republicans held dear simply wasn't true, as qualified economists from around the political spectrum agreed.

The time is running out to repudiate these myths. The unemployment rate is still at 8.2 percent, and the nation added a scant 80,000 jobs in June. Meanwhile, 49 percent of Americans polled this month by the New York Times and CBS said that they thought Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican nominee, would do a better job with the economy as president, compared to 41 percent for Obama. If Romney were to follow Republican orthodoxy, however, his economic policy would be dangerously reliant on these five myths:

Myth 1: Government spending doesn't help the economy to grow in the short term.

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Most first-year students of economics learn about how government spending and tax cuts can affect the economy. When the government spends a dollar, it buys goods or services from a vendor; this is new economic output. The vendor then puts the government's money in the bank, which may in turn lend out a portion of the money. When that portion of the money is spent, it generates more economic output, and so on. This is called the multiplier effect. Tax cuts have a multiplier, too. When people get money back from the government, they may save some and spend the rest. The part that they spend generates new economic output, and the cycle begins again.

Mathematically, the multiplier for a dollar of spending should be higher than the multiplier for tax cuts unless the saving rate is zero, which has often been true in the United States in recent years. But Republicans were essentially arguing that the multiplier for government spending was lower or even zero -- in other words, that the spending was so wasteful that it would just shift economic activity from one area of the economy to another.

Economics textbooks did not agree, and neither did a diverse group of the nation's best economists. At the University of Chicago's Graduate School of Business, the Initiative on Global Markets launched a forum to poll economists on some of the biggest issues in economic policy. It brought together a panel of more than 40 top academics from both sides of the political divide, including members of the Council of Economic Advisers from the presidencies of George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama. As four panelists wrote in an editorial for Bloomberg News, they wanted to dispel "a common belief that economists can't agree on anything important." The forum, they said, "provides an introduction to the half-century of fact-based research that informs the scholars' opinions."

In 2012, the panel was asked about the stimulus bill that the Democrats pushed through Congress against the Republicans' vocal opposition. Each panelist could agree or disagree with the following statement: "Because of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, the U.S. unemployment rate was lower at the end of 2010 than it would have been without the stimulus bill." Ninety percent of the panel said they agreed or strongly agreed. Then they were asked if the benefits of the stimulus would end up exceeding its costs -- not an essential aspect of a stimulus package, since the goal of stimulus is to borrow growth from the future to smooth out a rough spot in the present. Still, 46 percent agreed or strongly agreed, and most of the rest said the result was uncertain; only 12 percent disagreed or strongly disagreed. Not only did the stimulus successfully lessen the pain and duration of the downturn, which was its main purpose; it also had a decent chance of being a net gainer for the economy in the long term.

How could that be? Looking at data going back to the 1950s, economists from the University of California at Berkeley found that during recessions, every additional dollar spent on goods and services by the government yielded between 1.5 and 2.1 dollars of economic activity. For investments in infrastructure and other forms of public capital, the effects were bigger: 2.8 to 3.4 dollars of economic activity for every dollar spent. The effects were large, the economists wrote, because during recessions the additional spending was very unlikely to crowd out any consumption or investment by the private sector.

When judging the effectiveness of stimulus in the short term, you simply couldn't take the Republicans at their word. One reason was their own hypocrisy. Eric Cantor, who became the House majority leader in 2010, was a case in point. In March 2009, he appeared on ABC News to deny the notion that government spending could bolster the labor market. "It can't create jobs," he said. "It can't create wealth." Yet seven months later, he wrote to the Department of Transportation asking for budget money to do just that. His letters said that a $74.8 million high-speed rail project would "create 281 jobs during each year of construction" and that $60 million in loan guarantees for shipbuilding would generate "thousands of jobs in the shipyard and supplier base for two to three years."

Myth 2: Cutting tax rates eventually leads to higher tax revenue.

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The Chicago Initiative on Global Markets asked its panel what would happen to tax revenue over the coming decade if income tax rates went up by one percentage point for the top earners. Reagan and McConnell's logic would predict a fall in revenue. Ninety-three percent of the economists on the panel said it would rise. Emmanuel Saez of the University of California at Berkeley, one of the world's top experts on taxes and income distribution, made direct reference to the curve: "Based on best estimates and even with current tax code, U.S. top rate is still significantly below revenue maximizing tax rate."

Myth 3: Government spending doesn't help the economy to grow in the long term.

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For economists, the classic role of government is to correct failures in the market. These often occur when the private sector can't provide something that all of society wants and needs. No American has enough incentive to buy an aircraft carrier, but by banding together through government we can buy enough of them to defend ourselves. The same goes for some of the economy's most important needs: infrastructure, universal education, and basic research in the sciences. Investing in these critical pillars of our economy pays huge dividends in the future. Reports from the United States and United Kingdom have found evidence that a dollar spent by the government on basic research in physics, chemistry, biology, and related fields pays back as much as 50 percent more in economic growth.

Yet Republicans have often lumped these investments in with every other kind of spending. Their reaction to the stimulus package in 2009 was no different. A report by McCain and his Republican colleague in the Senate, Tom Coburn, singled out several scientific projects for disdain. They compared one project, dubbed "Facebook for Scientists," to propaganda, even though its purpose was to make collaboration between researchers easier. Bizarrely, they named a research project mapping cancer patients' responses to chemotherapy under the same heading. In another section of the report, a study on primates of how addiction was related to chemicals in the body was labeled "Monkeys Get High For Science."

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Myth 4: Smaller government is always better.

A poll by NBC and the Wall Street Journal found that in some areas, citizens wanted more regulation, not less. In fact, the "more regulation" votes outnumbered the "less regulation" votes by four-to-one for the financial industry and the oil industry, and by two-to-one for big corporations and the health care industry. The American people were speaking with a clear voice, but John Boehner, who was poised to become Speaker of the House after the Republican victories in November 2010, didn't seem to hear it. "The new majority here in Congress will be the voice of the American people," he said after the election. "We're going to continue and renew our efforts for a smaller, less costly and more accountable government here in Washington, D.C."

It was an especially odd thing to say for someone who should have known that the federal government had changed very little in the previous five decades. At the start of the Great Recession, Washington's non-defense spending represented about the same share of the overall economy as in 1959, the first year for which figures are available:

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What had changed was the spending of state and local governments, whose share of the economy had grown by more than a third since the 1960s. And of course, Social Security and Medicare represented huge liabilities in the nation's future. Yet the other parts of the federal budget -- some crucial to long-term growth, like the Department of Transportation, and others to the orderly functioning of the economy, like the Justice Department -- were peculiar targets for Republicans' rhetoric.

Myth 5: The economy is meritocratic, so people earn what they deserve based on talent and effort.

In a meritocracy, if you're poor, it's either your fault or just bad luck. If you were smarter or worked harder, chances are you'd be rich. There's nothing fairer than a meritocracy, if you don't mind some advantages going to people who were simply born with a greater ability to make money. A true meritocracy provides equal opportunities for everyone, and, if you have equal opportunity, why should you also have redistribution? Why take from the wealthy to support the strugglers, when the strugglers are only struggling because of their own deficiencies or laziness?

The only reason would be to counteract occasional bad luck by providing some kind of temporary social insurance. That's about as far as Republicans are willing to go. Unfortunately, their underlying assumption is wrong. The American economy is not a true meritocracy. Plenty of opportunities still go to people because of their connections and their families' existing wealth, rather than because of their ideas or their work ethic. Plenty of our most talented, hard-working people don't have time to start a business or develop new inventions, because they have to work two or three jobs just to put dinner on the table. Thousands of Americans still suffer discrimination every day because of their age, gender, race, or religion, whether they're trying to get a job or a loan to buy a car or a house. And the people who want to change the system are shut out of the political process because they can't afford a big campaign. At the same time, the way around these obstacles -- the education system -- is becoming harder to access because of self-segregated school districts, rising college tuition, and class stratification. As a result, the children of the rich tend to stay rich, and the children of the poor stay poor, no matter their abilities.

The United States may be one of the more meritocratic countries in the world, but it is not a true meritocracy. When an American doesn't have a job, or can't pay for food, that doesn't mean he or she is lazy or inept. Yet Republicans showed little sympathy for Americans down on their luck in the aftermath of the recession. Every time the Democrats tried to extend unemployment benefits in the deepest downturn since the Great Depression, the Republicans balked. And as millions of Americans slipped into poverty and even hunger, with state budgets being slashed and social services disappearing at the moment of greatest need, the Republicans turned the other way.

With their economic philosophy based on so many mere myths, perhaps it isn't surprising that the Republicans have a dismal economic record. In the past six decades, economic growth was highest -- 3.9 percent annually, adjusted for changes in prices -- when Democrats controlled the House, Senate, and presidency. When the Republicans controlled all three, growth averaged only 3.0 percent. That may not sound like a huge difference, but consider this: a drop of one percentage point in the economy's rate of growth implies a shortfall in job creation of about one million jobs per year. Of course, economic policy sometimes needs time to take effect. But even if you give the Republicans a long runway -- say, five years from the period when they control the government -- the effect of their policies on economic growth is actually negative. Extending the runway to 10 years only makes their record look worse.

On the strength of this evidence, perhaps the Republicans who faced the aftermath of the Great Recession might have reconsidered some of their most dearly held economic ideas. But no -- they fought harder than ever, and the American people have suffered for it.
 

a777pilot

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Wait a minute. Who says those are myths?

Number 5 could be correct. I give you this Fool we have as President as an example.
 

thraashman

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Foreign Policy just put a long opinion/argument piece by Daniel Altman that alleges that the Republicans in Congress did their best to sabotage the American economic recovery, and that if elected Mr. Romney will further hurt the nation by indulging in five policy myths. It's a long read but fairly interesting.

Foreign Policy - How Republicans Sabotaged the Recovery

Using numbers, absolute truths, incontrovertible facts simply won't convince a conservative. They have their way of thinking and will stick to it no matter how many times they're proven 100% wrong with a 0% margin of error (hint, it's almost always).
 

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# 5 is not a myth. Part of a meritocracy is the ability to work harder to give your children a head start. Yes, they then have live easier than some others, but that's because you gave them some of your own merit.
 

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# 5 is not a myth. Part of a meritocracy is the ability to work harder to give your children a head start. Yes, they then have live easier than some others, but that's because you gave them some of your own merit.
The US has fallen behind many countries in the ability for rise up from a lower to a higher economic position.

There has been more than one thread on this.

Many people theorize that universal health care is a part of this. Knowing a person has health insurance and will keep it if they change jobs or attempt to start a business is a huge help to upward mobility. So is publicy funded higher education.
 

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Myth 2: Cutting tax rates eventually leads to higher tax revenue. ... The Chicago Initiative on Global Markets asked its panel what would happen to tax revenue over the coming decade if income tax rates went up by one percentage point for the top earners. Reagan and McConnell's logic would predict a fall in revenue. Ninety-three percent of the economists on the panel said it would rise. Emmanuel Saez of the University of California at Berkeley, one of the world's top experts on taxes and income distribution, made direct reference to the curve: "Based on best estimates and even with current tax code, U.S. top rate is still significantly below revenue maximizing tax rate."
History repudiates that for the most part, unless the highest marginal rate started at a much lower amount of taxable income. Both parties have admitted that restoring the 39.6% marginal rate after the first $250k of taxable income would not raise significant revenue. I believe it would not be more than $70Bn/year in FY 2012 USD and that's not even 6% of the deficit. Clinton's admin got more revenue mostly because there was a huge bubble. Look at how much revenue the Bush 43 Admin got at the height of the housing bubble (in 06 and 07). It may be true that raising the top marginal rate to 50% would bring in more revenue, but it would so little that's it best to not try to find out.
A poll by NBC and the Wall Street Journal found that in some areas, citizens wanted more regulation, not less. In fact, the "more regulation" votes outnumbered the "less regulation" votes by four-to-one for the financial industry and the oil industry, and by two-to-one for big corporations and the health care industry. The American people were speaking with a clear voice, but John Boehner, who was poised to become Speaker of the House after the Republican victories in November 2010, didn't seem to hear it. "The new majority here in Congress will be the voice of the American people," he said after the election. "We're going to continue and renew our efforts for a smaller, less costly and more accountable government here in Washington, D.C."
That said in "some areas". Also, if 49% think Romney would be better for the economy, then that conflicts with where 2/3 favored more regulation. Also, Goldman Sachs CEO just recently praised Dodd Frank again.
Myth 5: The economy is meritocratic, so people earn what they deserve based on talent and effort.
That and number one are both half points. As of now, some people are rewarded based on merit while others are rewarded by the state. The bailout of the banks was harmful and that wasn't mertitocratic. Banks are rewarded by the state refusing to abolish the Fed and replace it with Jacksonian monetary policy (where the U.S. gov does not adhere to any monetary bureacracy, govt collects all of its revenues in gold or in silver by weight, those revenues are stored in and dispersed out of a public treasury subsystem). Military contractors, big agricultural companies (like Monsanto), and companies like AMD and nvidia, as well as big pharma are mostly not based on merit. However, the success of many small businesses and mostly pro-market companies like Whole Foods are based upon merit.
 
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Whoever can reign in costs of medicare/medicaid, social security, and DoD spending will solve the US debt crisis. End of Story.

Unfortunately neither party can do tall of the above.
 

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Using numbers, absolute truths, incontrovertible facts simply won't convince a conservative. They have their way of thinking and will stick to it no matter how many times they're proven 100% wrong with a 0% margin of error (hint, it's almost always).
Funny, it was an "incontrovertible fact" that Stimulus Rex would fix the economy and hold unemployment down to 8%. When it did not, it was an "incontrovertible fact" that Stimulus Rex was too small to be effective. And it was then an "incontrovertible fact" that Stimulus Rex times three (or more) would fix the economy and hold unemployment down to 8%.

It's easy to be right 100% of the time when you first posit a conditional reality that assumes you are always right, even when you are demonstrably proven wrong.
 

manimal

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I am sick of the uncertainty parroting that gets bandied out every few quarters....
 

blackangst1

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You know whats amazing about Republicans? Even as a minority they get their shit done. No matter what small or large percentage of a minority they have, their shit gets done.

Democrats, OTOH, cant get anything done even with a majority.
 

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You know whats amazing about Republicans? Even as a minority they get their shit done. No matter what small or large percentage of a minority they have, their shit gets done.

Democrats, OTOH, cant get anything done even with a majority.

Strange argument. Obama passed the largest change to the US's health care system in history along with the most sweeping financial reform in generations. I hardly consider that 'not getting anything done'. It's also hard to say that the Republicans have 'gotten their shit done' with a minority, unless you think their agenda is simply blocking the Democrats.

I do generally agree with you that Republicans require smaller majorities to pass their legislation though. To me that comes from two primary causes. First, they tend to be focused primarily on fiscal issues. A lot of that can be passed through reconciliation and so the filibuster is less of a threat to them. Secondly, Republicans as a whole are considerably more ideologically cohesive about the major issues while Democrats are all over the place. You don't need as large a majority if your party differs less.
 

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I really wish Republicans would quit acting like they are not just as, or if you count military spending much more so, responsible for the out of control spending of this government. That is one of the main reasons I have denied the party that I believed in for decades, not to mention their draconic ideas of family and social well being.

They obviously ARE trying to do all they can to slow the economic recovery because they want the Presidency back and more people should be aware of that.
 

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Threads like this make me laugh. ZOMG THE CRIPS ARE RUINING SOCIETY, EVERYONE LETS SUPPORT THE BLOODS!
 

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Oh yawn, more partisan drivel and hackery. Yeah yeah, republicans are evil, endless government spending is a wonderful thing, as is redistribution of wealth at the hand of government. Only enlightened democrats can save us ;)
 

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Are the economic policies of the Democrats and Republicans THAT different? Is it possible that there are larger global issues that neither party is addressing? It doesn't seem helpful to me to bounce back and forth between similar Republican and Democratic strategies while ignoring systemic factors that neither address.
 

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After going back and reading this it is spot on and should be read by anyone who plans on voting or who just has an interest in economics or politics.

Are the economic policies of the Democrats and Republicans THAT different? Is it possible that there are larger global issues that neither party is addressing? It doesn't seem helpful to me to bounce back and forth between similar Republican and Democratic strategies while ignoring systemic factors that neither address.

Precisely. The problem is anytime you try to point this out to people who support one party or the other they call it righty nonsense, or the right calls you a lefty and rolls their eyes, and move along knowing that their political religion is vastly superior and infalable. I have come to realize it is not because these people really know a lot about this stuff, but because they would rather have their own thoughts and beliefs spoon fed to them due to their over-indoctrination of ideaology or just sheer laziness.
 
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yllus

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Oh yawn, more partisan drivel and hackery. Yeah yeah, republicans are evil, endless government spending is a wonderful thing, as is redistribution of wealth at the hand of government. Only enlightened democrats can save us ;)

The piece doesn't state that Republicans are evil. It states that they are knowingly (and possibly also unknowingly) sabotaging efforts to improve the American economy because of a difference in ideology and a refusal to agree with what most experts agree are the best courses of action.

Each of the "myths" listed have backing by polls of economists and other experts. Are you suggesting that all of these economists/experts are partisans?
 

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Each of the "myths" listed have backing by polls of economists and other experts. Are you suggesting that all of these economists/experts are partisans?

He's not suggesting it, he already proclaimed it. lol People are so lost in ideaology. It's sad to see the same people that complain about laziness in the American workforce/unemployed proving that they are lazy when it comes to political study.
 

Matt1970

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What do those economic textbooks say the cutoff is for percentage of your total tax revenue that you should spend on the interest of your debt? What is acceptable debt vs GDP?

In 2012, the panel was asked about the stimulus bill that the Democrats pushed through Congress against the Republicans' vocal opposition. Each panelist could agree or disagree with the following statement: "Because of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, the U.S. unemployment rate was lower at the end of 2010 than it would have been without the stimulus bill." Ninety percent of the panel said they agreed or strongly agreed. Then they were asked if the benefits of the stimulus would end up exceeding its costs -- not an essential aspect of a stimulus package, since the goal of stimulus is to borrow growth from the future to smooth out a rough spot in the present. Still, 46 percent agreed or strongly agreed, and most of the rest said the result was uncertain; only 12 percent disagreed or strongly disagreed. Not only did the stimulus successfully lessen the pain and duration of the downturn, which was its main purpose; it also had a decent chance of being a net gainer for the economy in the long term.

THIS is the panel they want to quote? LOLOLOLOL They can't even get the 1/2 panel to agree the stimulus was worth it.
 

Phokus

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Oh yawn, more partisan drivel and hackery. Yeah yeah, republicans are evil, endless government spending is a wonderful thing, as is redistribution of wealth at the hand of government. Only enlightened democrats can save us ;)

You know, they should make Macro Econ 101 mandatory and people like you would just cease to exist.
 

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The piece doesn't state that Republicans are evil. It states that they are knowingly (and possibly also unknowingly) sabotaging efforts to improve the American economy because of a difference in ideology and a refusal to agree with what most experts agree are the best courses of action.

Each of the "myths" listed have backing by polls of economists and other experts. Are you suggesting that all of these economists/experts are partisans?

The beginning paragraphs strongly indicate that this is a highly partisan piece. I don't think the author left any room for doubt about his position.

Imagine, for a moment, how difficult it would have been to land a man on the moon if half of the U.S. Congress had believed that the sun revolved around the earth. Or consider how the War in the Pacific might have progressed if half of Congress had still thought the world was flat. Or whether polio would have been eradicated if half of Congress insisted that the best cure was bleeding using leeches.

Unfortunately, this was the situation the United States in January 2009, when Barack Obama assumed the presidency. The nation was trying to climb out of the deepest economic hole since the Great Depression, but the Republican Party had about as scientific an approach to the economy as medieval alchemists did to the periodic table.

He seems to complain about the stimulus being spread over 10 years, and the spending not done more quickly:

China had just announced its own stimulus package of $586 billion over just two year

How in the world can we get that amount of quality spending done in the USA? We're not China. We've got too many regulations, EPA studies required before commencing big infrastructure projects, too many court challenges etc.I didn't think anybody even argued about this, apparently the author still does.

His complaints under Myth #3 don't jibe with his above comments where he seemingly wants a lot of govt stimulus spending quickly:

No American has enough incentive to buy an aircraft carrier, but by banding together through government we can buy enough of them to defend ourselves. The same goes for some of the economy's most important needs: infrastructure, universal education, and basic research in the sciences. Investing in these critical pillars of our economy pays huge dividends in the future.

The things he mentions above are quite long term. They are more appropriate for a 10 yr period than a 2 yr period.

Pelosi/Reid/Obama did what they could to to get the money spent as quickly as possible. Shovel ready projects (basically paving roads), funding to help states, and tax breaks like the credit for homes buyers etc is as quick as it gets and is why the stimulus bill was full of that sort of thing. However, those are not the quality LT investment in infrastructure he argues for or that we can actually use. Politically the Dems had a need to spend quickly so LT projects account for only a small fraction of stimulus spending, and so 'no', that's not the fault of Repubs.

EVERY single one of these type articles, everyone, conveniently overlooks the 'rock' and focuses exclusively on the 'hard place'. Well folks, we're in between the rock and a hard place; big deficits/debt and a sluggish economy. Any article focusing exclusively on one and ignoring the other is foolish.

Fern