How Reagan killed capitalism.

Anarchist420

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Myth: He cut taxes:
Truth: he raised taxes on the middle class and only gave an 11% tax cut to the wealthiest earners. He raised the payroll tax cap, increased the business tax, and raised taxes on the middle class.

Myth: He deregulated.
Truth: He simply granted banks the privelege to embezzle even more. If anything, he regulated even more.

Myth: He supported free trade:
Truth: Nothing could be further from the truth.

Forced Japan to accept restraints on auto exports;
Tightened considerably the quotas on imported sugar;
Negotiated to increase the restrictiveness of the Multi­fiber Arrangement governing trade in textiles and apparel;
Required 18 countries, including Brazil, Spain, South
Korea, Japan, Mexico, South Africa, Finland, Australia, and the European Community, to accept "voluntary re­straint agreements" that reduce their steel imports to the United States;
Imposed a 45% duty on Japanese motorcycles for the ben­efit of Harley Davidson, which admitted that superior
Japanese management was the cause of its problems;
Raised tariffs on Canadian lumber and cedar shingles;
Forced the Japanese into an agreement to control the price of computer memory chips;
Removed third-world countries on several occasions from the duty-free import program for developing nations;
Pressed Japan to force its automakers to buy more Ameri­can-made parts;
Demanded that Taiwan, West Germany, Japan, and Switzerland restrain their exports of machine tools;
Accused the Japanese of dumping roller bearings on grounds that the price did not rise to cover a fall in the value of the yen;
Accused the Japanese of dumping forklift trucks and color picture tubes;
Extended quotas on imported clothes pins;
Failed to ask Congress to end the ban on the export of Alaskan oil and timber cut from federal lands;
Redefined dumping so domestic firms can more easily charge foreign competitors with unfair trade practices;
Beefed-up the Export-Import Bank, an institution dedicated to distorting the American economy at the ex­pense of the American people in order to artificially pro­mote exports of eight large corporations.
Source: http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=489

Reagan basically hurt the Old Right's message and created the New Left by having capitalist rhetoric, while he actually practiced corporatism.

The Old Right needs to team up with the New Left to defeat Obama. If someone like Dr. Paul were to become elected President, then people like Michael Moore would have their heads out of their asses.

Anyone who believes Reagan didn't put the final nail in the coffin of capitalism has their head up their ass.

To deny that capitalism creates more equality of outcome is to say that the majority of people are inferior to the rest.

Just face it, the only time we had Laissez-faire capitalism in this nation was from the time Martin Van Buren created the first Independent Treasury System until right before James Buchanan signed the Morrill Tarriff into law.
 

werepossum

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The chances of Reagan getting re-elected given this news is probably less than 10%.

LOL I'm betting Obama's politically dead corpse loses to Reagan's actually dead corpse in 2012, were it possible to hold such an election.
 

theeedude

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GOP has been destroying this country's middle class since Nixon. As goes the middle class, so goes the economy and democracy. We are on our way to becoming a banana republic.
 

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Pro: This might be the highest quality Anarchist420 thread yet.
Con: This is an Anarchist420 thread.
Verdict: postcount++
 

Craig234

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GOP has been destroying this country's middle class since Nixon. As goes the middle class, so goes the economy and democracy. We are on our way to becoming a banana republic.

I wonder, if the traditional distribution of economy growth and 1980 tax rates had occurred the last 30 years, how would average people be today financially?

Put aside all the problems the policies caused, and just take the direct numbers, almost everyone would be far wealthier today.

The top 0.01%, however, actually are far, far richer at everyone else's expense. It's nice of Republicans to be so insistent on giving so much of their money to the top 0.01%.
 

Anarchist420

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Craig, Reagan never really cut taxes that much.

I have to ask you, what's wrong with laissez-faire capitalism?
Hint: It's never been tried before, except during the jacksonian era (1837-1860). Were there more inequalities in wealth during that time, or after the government got bigger and bigger after the counter-revolution?
 

MovingTarget

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No it's not. Switzerland is more capitalist than the U.S. and that's sad.


How so? According to some here, the high taxes and strong social programs make them OMGSOCIALIST!(tm) If you wanted to make the US more like Switzerland, there are many on the "other side" of the political spectrum that would be more than happy to oblige.
 

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Actually It was LBJ , That sold out to the military industrial complex not Reagan . Ronny boy was no better and did his part in selling us out . Along with every president since Kennedy. But By far Obama is the biggest sell out of them all.
 

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How so? According to some here, the high taxes and strong social programs make them OMGSOCIALIST!(tm) If you wanted to make the US more like Switzerland, there are many on the "other side" of the political spectrum that would be more than happy to oblige.
Not really, they're taxes are much lower (they have a 13% flat tax, and no very low, if any, corporate tax), their currency is a little bit stronger, and they don't have the largest military in the world. They've been neutral forever. They also aren't part of the EU.

Of course, Hong Kong is the most capitalist country in the world other than somalia.
 

MovingTarget

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Not really, they're taxes are much lower (they have a 13% flat tax, and no very low, if any, corporate tax), their currency is a little bit stronger, and they don't have the largest military in the world. They've been neutral forever. They also aren't part of the EU.

Of course, Hong Kong is the most capitalist country in the world other than somalia.


Not having to support such a large military is a good point, not to be underestimated. It is a HUGE drain on the treasury.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Switzerland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP

Wikipedia is not exactly an authoritative source, but it does paint an interesting picture. What would our government be like if we did not support such a large military? How would we realign our spending?
 

Fear No Evil

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Not having to support such a large military is a good point, not to be underestimated. It is a HUGE drain on the treasury.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Switzerland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP

Wikipedia is not exactly an authoritative source, but it does paint an interesting picture. What would our government be like if we did not support such a large military? How would we realign our spending?

I thought government spending is good and helps stimulate the economy? Why would the military whom damn near all its employees are U.S. citizens and a hell of a lot of the companies that supply it are U.S. based be bad thing then? Seems like the left should love it from that perspective.
 

MooseNSquirrel

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Actually It was LBJ , That sold out to the military industrial complex not Reagan . Ronny boy was no better and did his part in selling us out . Along with every president since Kennedy. But By far Obama is the biggest sell out of them all.

Huh? Did I miss the memo about Obama starting a few wars to enable military equipment purchasing?

Honestly, why do people make blanket statements like that?
 

Scotteq

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Wow - Welcome to the 1980s... I take it big hair is in too?


Re: Swiss Military - You don't need a large army when your country is as mountainous as Switzerland. A 12 year old with a slingshot and a few sticks of bubble gum could hold many of the passes necessary to move military forces. (well... OK, I exaggerate - a bunch of drunks with anti-tank weapons and the willingness to cause avalanches for personal amusement...) This is the real reason why nobody - not even Hitler - invades Switzerland.

And yes, there is economic advantage in this.
 
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GuitarDaddy

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Actually It was LBJ , That sold out to the military industrial complex not Reagan . Ronny boy was no better and did his part in selling us out . Along with every president since Kennedy. But By far Obama is the biggest sell out of them all.

How can you sell out what is already gone?


Find some other reason to justify your hate for Obama.
 

Nemesis 1

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I don't hate you or obama . I pitty him. When others were speaking out . I withheld to see what he was about . Now I know. He makes Bush out to be a choirs boy fact, Hate is a powerful word as is love . But blind love is a = to hate. I am not blind so it is you threw your ignorant love of those who agree with your agenda . Your love is in fact hate. Because you are blind to the facts.