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How old were you when you gave up on People?

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Seriously, the problem is that there are just TOO MANY people. And religions that have for thousands of years taught that it is your purpose on earth to reproduce as much and as often as you can. Really. How many atheists/agnostics do you know who were raised atheist/agnostic and want to start popping out babies as soon as they turn 18? Now, how many fundie Christians?

Originally posted by: Nebor
Honestly, if I could trade the lives of say, 5 people, who I don't know, for a Ferrari 360, I'd do it. I wouldn't even have to think about it. Maybe that embodies what's wrong with our society. Or maybe it's just me. The only people that exist to me are the people I know, everyone else is a stranger part of the mass of "people" who do stupid things, and are basically against me, my enemies.
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Hell, I'd do it for a new 17" LCD.

I don't think it's due to any imperfection in me, though. I mean, you read the Darwin awards....you see how many tabloids there are (and their circulation!) and it never fails there are a half dozen people in the grocery store reading them....you see what the 'mass market' has selected as the TV shows to air (my wife and I no longer even WATCH mainstream TV - we have it to record the DS9s and a *few* shows that aren't bad), the 'broadcast' networks are especially offensive with their mind-numbingness....you see the public reaction to the government taking away more and more freedoms (read: none)....you see the public reaction to social progress (our local city - in OREGON - is trying to get on the vote for fall an issue to repeal our just-passed anti-discrimination laws because many don't feel they should have to treat gays as equal citizens!)....I could go on an on.

The problem is that, picking 5 people at random, I honestly feel you would not get the same value as a nice, new, 17" LCD. Hell, for the most part, 5 humans would be a huge NEGATIVE. Removing 5 of them for no personal gain at ALL would be an improvement. They destroy the environment with reckless abandon, care little for their own lives or the future of the planet, prefer to keep their narrow-minded judgemental attitudes rather than risk change....and they try VERY hard to pass this on to future generations.

Here's an idea - those high-school proficiency tests everyone bitches about? Make them....oh, I dunno, twice as hard with a focus on social issues and world history. And, instead of graduation hinging on it....your LIFE does. Yup, you pass, hooray, you get to graduate! You fail? *snick* off with the head!

And there should be another test before you are allowed to reproduce, too.
 
The problem is that, picking 5 people at random, I honestly feel you would not get the same value as a nice, new, 17" LCD. Hell, for the most part, 5 humans would be a huge NEGATIVE. Removing 5 of them for no personal gain at ALL would be an improvement. They destroy the environment with reckless abandon, care little for their own lives or the future of the planet, prefer to keep their narrow-minded judgemental attitudes rather than risk change....and they try VERY hard to pass this on to future generations.
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I would disagree with that bit. I couldn't strike down 5 people for a meesely LCD... Not even a 30" one. And it's somewhat ironic to say that they are uncaring when you would have them killed.

When it comes down to it, I value MY life FAR more than anyone elses. So I'll do what needs to be done to make it good for ME. I'm selfish and self absorbed. I'm like the average American, but I'm smart enough to realize exactly what I am. I just see no reason to change. Honestly, why do I give a damn about the environment? Short of thermonuclear war, it will remain liveable for the rest of my life.
 
You said it yourself, you care a lot more about your dog than a dying human that you don't know.
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Funny you bring up a dog, it's a good analogy. I've never believed people are "inherently" good (or evil for that matter). Dogs aren't inherently good. At birth they are just an organism with no direction, just like humans. It's the trainer/environment that makes the dog "good" or "evil." The same goes for humans. I don't believe we are "inherently" anything, but have the capability to be either "good" or "evil" based on our environments. Also, never forget that the terms "good" and "evil" are VERY subjective.
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
The problem is that, picking 5 people at random, I honestly feel you would not get the same value as a nice, new, 17" LCD. Hell, for the most part, 5 humans would be a huge NEGATIVE. Removing 5 of them for no personal gain at ALL would be an improvement. They destroy the environment with reckless abandon, care little for their own lives or the future of the planet, prefer to keep their narrow-minded judgemental attitudes rather than risk change....and they try VERY hard to pass this on to future generations.
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I would disagree with that bit. I couldn't strike down 5 people for a meesely LCD... Not even a 30" one. And it's somewhat ironic to say that they are uncaring when you would have them killed.

When it comes down to it, I value MY life FAR more than anyone elses. So I'll do what needs to be done to make it good for ME. I'm selfish and self absorbed. I'm like the average American, but I'm smart enough to realize exactly what I am. I just see no reason to change. Honestly, why do I give a damn about the environment? Short of thermonuclear war, it will remain liveable for the rest of my life.
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Ah, but see, I *DO* care about the environment. Not tree-hugging-hippy like, but when you see what industry does to the planet, how careless people are, how little concern anyone is outside their own little world....

The important difference is that you don't care what happens to any individual or species other than yourself, so you'd trade 5 lives for a Ferrari. I care about what happens to the *species* outside of myself, but not individuals. Currently, there are too many people (hell, visit LA - there are too many people *right there*). Knocking any amount off improves things for the species, and our planet (which, long term, is good for our species).

5 less? Splendid, a good start. And a I get an LCD for it, too?! Bonus!
 
Originally posted by: dderidex
Originally posted by: Nebor
The problem is that, picking 5 people at random, I honestly feel you would not get the same value as a nice, new, 17" LCD. Hell, for the most part, 5 humans would be a huge NEGATIVE. Removing 5 of them for no personal gain at ALL would be an improvement. They destroy the environment with reckless abandon, care little for their own lives or the future of the planet, prefer to keep their narrow-minded judgemental attitudes rather than risk change....and they try VERY hard to pass this on to future generations.
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I would disagree with that bit. I couldn't strike down 5 people for a meesely LCD... Not even a 30" one. And it's somewhat ironic to say that they are uncaring when you would have them killed.

When it comes down to it, I value MY life FAR more than anyone elses. So I'll do what needs to be done to make it good for ME. I'm selfish and self absorbed. I'm like the average American, but I'm smart enough to realize exactly what I am. I just see no reason to change. Honestly, why do I give a damn about the environment? Short of thermonuclear war, it will remain liveable for the rest of my life.
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Ah, but see, I *DO* care about the environment. Not tree-hugging-hippy like, but when you see what industry does to the planet, how careless people are, how little concern anyone is outside their own little world....

The important difference is that you don't care what happens to any individual or species other than yourself, so you'd trade 5 lives for a Ferrari. I care about what happens to the *species* outside of myself, but not individuals. Currently, there are too many people (hell, visit LA - there are too many people *right there*). Knocking any amount off improves things for the species, and our planet (which, long term, is good for our species).

5 less? Splendid, a good start. And a I get an LCD for it, too?! Bonus!
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But producing LCDs and the plastics in them is bad for the environment. Have you just killed yourself?
 
I had to recheck the title of this thread to see if it didn't say: If your a twisted psychopath check in here.
 
Originally posted by: skace
I'm 23 and I havn't given up on people... Mainly because I am a good person.
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I'd like to think I am, too. But MOST people aren't. And those that aren't are much, much better at being BAD than any good person I know is at doing GOOD. IE., no matter how many charities or parks a 'good person' donates too - a 'bad person' will pollute and ruin 10x more than you saved. No matter how much recycling you do - water, consumables, materials - a 'bad person' will throw away more than enough to counter your conservation.

The sad fact is that it has always been, and always will be, easier to destroy than to conserve/build up. And since almost everyone takes the 'easy path'....

I dunno, I guess you have to see the world more to get a perspective on this. I'm only 25, but....spend some time in LA and some time in NYC - really read up on what Congress is allowing to be done to the environment - drive through the lower-class section of your town and talk with some of those people.....

I dunno, I'd say I gave up on the average person probably around 23ish. I think it was LA that did it, actually. It's just a godawful city.
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
But producing LCDs and the plastics in them is bad for the environment. Have you just killed yourself?
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Wait, I thought the magical power that made the people go *poof* also magically provided us with the technology?

(In any case, there is a difference between being a hermit luddite and living a 'lower-impact' lifestyle. I try to not purchase from companies that have particularly atrocious environmental records, recycle everything practicle, conserver power, water, and anything else practical, and do what I can with my vote. Activities of which any ONE would actually make me feel bad about the person who just got zapped for my LCD if they did....but, let's be realistic, how much do I have to worry about someone doing any of that just picking 5 people at random?)
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Skoorb
The past few years, surfing atot.
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That's kinda funny, and kinda true.
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I didn't even mean it as a joke either 🙁
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Wow, you think ATOT is bad? May I ask where you live, that people are so great in comparison? I might move there 😉
 
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Skoorb
The past few years, surfing atot.
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That's kinda funny, and kinda true.
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I didn't even mean it as a joke either 🙁
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Wow, you think ATOT is bad? May I ask where you live, that people are so great in comparison? I might move there 😉
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No, it merely illuminated me to more things like news stories and gave me the opportunity to read in detail about more stranger's lives and how those strangers don't really deserve to be breathing.
 
I never have.

"I've found it is very hard to find people these days that will go out of their way to help someone unless it benefits themselves."

You hang out with the wrong people.


God, it must be so depressing being some of you. Glad I'm not in that boat.
 
Originally posted by: allisolm
I never have.

"I've found it is very hard to find people these days that will go out of their way to help someone unless it benefits themselves."

You hang out with the wrong people.


God, it must be so depressing being some of you. Glad I'm not in that boat.
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:disgust:
 
There are good people out there... you just gotta go out to the country to find them. Also, to find those nice people, you have to do something nice to initiate the "nice people contract".
 
Originally posted by: allisolm
I never have.

"I've found it is very hard to find people these days that will go out of their way to help someone unless it benefits themselves."

You hang out with the wrong people.


God, it must be so depressing being some of you. Glad I'm not in that boat.
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:thumbsup::heart:
 
first time i read something posted by Mill.
i actually agree with skoorb that this place can make you see the darker side more easily than just going through ones normal day.
i think it has a lot to do with the very negative attitude that seems to be prevelant.
of course, i just insulted the OP so...
 
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