How old do you suppose this planet really is?

[RandomWords]

Even better so now... I've read they assume that only 1 million people in 10000 B.C...something like that... so now.. you have 180000 years to create 1 million people instead of 3 billion. Even by your chart the population doubles before agriculture. It took only about 6000 to double again.

 

[RandomWords]

So, is the Bible the words of God, or is it up to interpretation? Because you can only claim one, or the other.

Wrong. You can claim both. But of course black and white people have difficulty with gray.

 

[MrDudeMan]

I can tell you why animals don't have large numbers... because we hunt them. Have for eons. It's why deer, wolves, Tigers, buffalo, elephants, whales and various other animals have been near wiped off the face of the planet before regulations... or I'm sure their population would have been much larger and was at one point... but look at dogs and cats... their numbers are booming greatly. Yes - that's how relevant tigers are to this discussion.

In the middle of trying to refute my point, you actually completely misunderstood it and then emphasized it. It's obvious you have an agenda to defend the lunacy in the bible, so scientific facts and explanations appear to be unlikely to sway any of your unfounded opinions.

Animal populations are kept in control because of external pressures. Our population has no external pressure at this point, which is why it is expanding and will continue to do so until pressure is applied.

I used tigers as an example and I will keep using them because they're very relevant to this discussion. Many animal species existed long before we did and, yet, they failed to completely dominate the planet. It took millions of years for hominids to develop the necessary skills to change the environment in significant ways with tools, fire, and shelter. Tigers never adapted the way we did, which subjects them to the same pressures that most other species face and, therefore, limits their population growth. This is all in direct response to the stupidity you spouted earlier:

OR you are buying into a very stupid theory that for 190000 years the population couldn't possibly have increased by .02% because we didn't cultivate plants... even though most animal populations grow at such rates (likely at higher rates). Are you saying they lacked all skill at hunting and foraging too? ... actually 198000 years.

You literally stated that animal growth rates continue to increase, which makes no sense at all. If every animal population was concurrently expanding, the world would be as tightly packed as a Japanese train. For many hundreds of thousands of years, the population was stagnant because we hadn't evolved enough to control our surroundings. Therefore, we were subjected to the environment the same way all other species are subjected to it. Back to tigers - their population was not growing at the rates you suggest before we hunted them in any significant capacity because that's how they evolved. Everything from how often they needed to eat to their gestation period was in harmony with their surroundings until an external forcing function caused their decline.

Currently, the key difference between us and every other species is our ability to alter our immediate surroundings in such significant ways as to allow us to thrive in almost any condition. Surprise! That became true right around the time our population growth rate drastically increased. It takes animals hundreds or thousands of generations to adapt to a new external pressure, assuming it didn't force them into extinction, when all we have to do is wear a coat or take some Tylenol.

I feel like you must be intentionally missing the point because what I'm saying should be very obvious to even the most casual observer.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Even better so now... I've read they assume that only 1 million people in 10000 B.C...something like that... so now.. you have 180000 years to create 1 million people instead of 3 billion. Even by your chart the population doubles before agriculture. It took only about 6000 to double again.

Wrong. You can claim both. But of course black and white people have difficulty with gray.

It appears I wasted my time after I drastically overestimated your intelligence. Edit: I can barely understand your post, so I deleted this comment. It's so confusing how little of a grasp you have on math and science.

 

[SSSnail]

Wrong. You can claim both. But of course black and white people have difficulty with gray.

How can you claim both? Either it's the words of God, and you're following it, or just a bunch of jibberish that mentally challenged people imagined the words to be whatever they want. Choose one.

 

[Humpy]

I can tell you why animals don't have large numbers... because we hunt them. Have for eons. It's why deer, wolves, Tigers, buffalo, elephants, whales and various other animals have been near wiped off the face of the planet before regulations... or I'm sure their population would have been much larger and was at one point... but look at dogs and cats... their numbers are booming greatly way above the .02% mark I think.

We don't have many stegosaurus anymore because we hunt them?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Earth is potato

well thanks to my deteriorating vision, it is certainly rendered in potato quality.

 

[RandomWords]

In the middle of trying to refute my point, you actually completely misunderstood it and then emphasized it. It's obvious you have an agenda to defend the lunacy in the bible, so scientific facts and explanations appear to be unlikely to sway any of your unfounded opinions.

Animal populations are kept in control because of external pressures. Our population has no external pressure at this point, which is why it is expanding and will continue to do so until pressure is applied.

I used tigers as an example and I will keep using them because they're very relevant to this discussion. Many animal species existed long before we did and, yet, they failed to completely dominate the planet. It took millions of years for hominids to develop the necessary skills to change the environment in significant ways with tools, fire, and shelter. Tigers never adapted the way we did, which subjects them to the same pressures that most other species face and, therefore, limits their population growth. This is all in direct response to the stupidity you spouted earlier:



You literally stated that animal growth rates continue to increase, which makes no sense at all. If every animal population was concurrently expanding, the world would be as tightly packed as a Japanese train. For many hundreds of thousands of years, the population was stagnant because we hadn't evolved enough to control our surroundings. Therefore, we were subjected to the environment the same way all other species are subjected to it. Back to tigers - their population was not growing at the rates you suggest before we hunted them in any significant capacity because that's how they evolved. Everything from how often they needed to eat to their gestation period was in harmony with their surroundings until an external forcing function caused their decline.

Currently, the key difference between us and every other species is our ability to alter our immediate surroundings in such significant ways as to allow us to thrive in almost any condition. Surprise! That became true right around the time our population growth rate drastically increased. It takes animals hundreds or thousands of generations to adapt to a new external pressure, assuming it didn't force them into extinction, when all we have to do is wear a coat or take some Tylenol.

I feel like you must be intentionally missing the point because what I'm saying should be very obvious to even the most casual observer.

I'm not defending the bible I just think the time line science gives is complete Bull. But you stick with tigers even though they don't relate to humans well - you're better going with monkeys that at least are similar except for our desire to kill things ruthlessly - a trait we've had long before agriculture..
And I'm not missing your point... I'm adding in variables that you fail to take into consideration.

 

[RandomWords]

We don't have many stegosaurus anymore because we hunt them?

No we don't have dinosaurs because a massive global change took effect after a global disaster (not relevant to the time line of humans) unless you want to discuss our future after everyone nukes the other.

 

[RandomWords]

How can you claim both? Either it's the words of God, and you're following it, or just a bunch of jibberish that mentally challenged people imagined the words to be whatever they want. Choose one.

I will choose one as soon as you read it in order by the date written (the book itself isn't in order) ... until then you have no concept of what I'm discussing.

 

[SSSnail]

I will choose one as soon as you read it in order by the date written (the book itself isn't in order) ... until then you have no concept of what I'm discussing.

I don't need to read different versions of books written about Santa Clause to know he doesn't exist. As a matter of fact, I don't need to read any books to know he doesn't exist. Same deal here. Your concept remains yours, as wrong as it may be, no one cares.

Some of us have the capacity to distinguish reality from fantasy.

 

[RandomWords]

It appears I wasted my time after I drastically overestimated your intelligence. Edit: I can barely understand your post, so I deleted this comment. It's so confusing how little of a grasp you have on math and science.

Really... you overestimated my intelligence and can't even make out what the reply to the chart says... though simple. On one hand we have 190000 years to create 3 billion people by a rate of .02% increase (actually my calculations had it only take 105000 years) and thanks to his chart we now have 180000 years to create 1 million people... think how low that increase would have to be.

Is the low increase in population reasonable over that amount of time?given that they had the same brain power as most of the people today - a few inventors and the rest surviving.

 

[RandomWords]

I don't need to read different versions of books written about Santa Clause to know he doesn't exist. As a matter of fact, I don't need to read any books to know he doesn't exist. Same deal here. Your concept remains yours, as wrong as it may be, no one cares.

Some of us have the capacity to distinguish reality from fantasy.

First... you're assuming faith which is alright.

But yes.
To discuss in any manner the bible with anyone you first have to read it. That's like saying I can discuss engineering without ever learning a damn thing about it.

Which you've just showed you don't know a damn thing about it... but that's okay... neither do most church goers

 

[Humpy]

Does anyone here make their own pickles?

Seems like it would be nice to offer guests a homemade pickle.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Does anyone here make their own pickles?

Seems like it would be nice to offer guests a homemade pickle.

I make my own yogurt, 2 gallons at a time. I generally wind up eating it all myself, too.

 

[SSSnail]

First... you're assuming faith which is alright.

But yes.
To discuss in any manner the bible with anyone you first have to read it. That's like saying I can discuss engineering without ever learning a damn thing about it.

Which you've just showed you don't know a damn thing about it... but that's okay... neither do most church goers

Do you engage in homosexual activities?

I know enough to not ever want a penis up my ass. Nope, not trying it to discuss it.

Your fallacy is astounding, but, it's not surprising.

Oh, and population increase is not following any formulaic curves, there are a lot of factors which attribute to rates of increase, including nutrition and advances in modern healthcare, chiefly the medical advances.

 

[Humpy]

I make my own yogurt, 2 gallons at a time. I generally wind up eating it all myself, too.

Is it fruit yogurt or plain?

At first thought it seems kind of gross to make your own yogurt but I like yogurt and imagine it could be really good.

 

[RandomWords]

Do you engage in homosexual activities?

I know enough to not ever want a penis up my ass. Nope, not trying it to discuss it.

Your fallacy is astounding, but, it's not surprising.

Oh, and population increase is not following any formulaic curves, there are a lot of factors which attribute to rates of increase, including nutrition and advances in modern healthcare, chiefly the medical advances.

Well then you can never discuss it with any accuracy. Like I'm sure you assume like many others that it absolutely condemns homosexuality but without really reading it you have no clue what it says or how it says it.- you're just spouting hearsay from other people that have never read the thing or have taken passages out of context and applied them how they wanted regardless of where they are located in the bible -.which makes a difference as you would know..whether fantasy or embellished or factual doesn't have any bearings on your ability to discuss the issue which is absolutely zero and thus you should stay out of all biblical discussions IMO.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Animal populations are kept in control because of external pressures. Our population has no external pressure at this point, which is why it is expanding and will continue to do so until pressure is applied.

Here I agree with you on this point. We have the physical evidence of dinosaurs existing so nobody can deny that fact. Then we have issues between Gen 1 & 2 which offer differing accounts of creation. Dinosaurs would obviously present an ELE for mankind as we would be their food source not the other way around. In chapter 1 animals were made first and then man afterwards yet in Gen 2 man was made first in the garden and then all animals were made and brought before Adam to be named and turned loose. I cannot offer an explanation and in the absence of facts I wouldn't dare to do anything but speculate about it.

Too many people try to push their opinions as facts without any supporting evidence. If you don't believe that then listen to Kent Hovine spout on this and many other topics. Although I'm a Christian I don't believe everything that I hear and I look for supporting evidence and facts as a basis for confirming things as true or unsubstantiated. I created this thread to obtain differing opinions on the subject and not to bash any one person if they didn't agree as many have done.

The other thing I hear Christians use to substantiate their belief is the passage that a day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day. It offers a glimpse into the temporal differences between life in heaven and here but it's not an absolute formula as many seem to avow. I've heard that since the earth was created in 6 days and God rested on the 7th that life goes on for 6k and then we have the millennial rein on the 7th day with a total of 7k years of existence. I cannot substantiate that one either nor would I try to but you'll get bible beaters into an uproar if you oppose anything that brother mystery speaker of the week spouts from any of the money grubbing churches in existence.

To me this topic is no different than if it were about what car is your favorite. Everyone would have a different opinion and of course owners of some brands would bash supporters of others because they don't agree with them.

 

[Ruptga]

Is it fruit yogurt or plain?

At first thought it seems kind of gross to make your own yogurt but I like yogurt and imagine it could be really good.

My first thought was that it would be a great way to catch some ultrafungus that makes you stand on top of tall things so that it can better distribute its spores, but homebrewed beer is fine and it's a similar process.

Still though, why would you even want that much yogurt around? Beer at least makes sense, you can go through two gallons of it in a month without trying too hard.

 

[Humpy]

Well then you can never discuss it with any accuracy. Like I'm sure you assume like many others that it absolutely condemns homosexuality but without really reading it you have no clue what it says or how it says it.- you're just spouting hearsay from other people that have never read the thing or have taken passages out of context and applied them how they wanted regardless of where they are located in the bible -.which makes a difference as you would know..whether fantasy or embellished or factual doesn't have any bearings on your ability to discuss the issue which is absolutely zero and thus you should stay out of all biblical discussions IMO.

Strong username to post content correlation.

 

[SSSnail]

Is it fruit yogurt or plain?

At first thought it seems kind of gross to make your own yogurt but I like yogurt and imagine it could be really good.

You should try the Vietnamese yogurt, it's just plain but pretty good, I can't really describe the taste.

Well then you can never discuss it with any accuracy. Like I'm sure you assume like many others that it absolutely condemns homosexuality but without really reading it you have no clue what it says or how it says it.- you're just spouting hearsay from other people that have never read the thing or have taken passages out of context and applied them how they wanted regardless of where they are located in the bible -.which makes a difference as you would know..whether fantasy or embellished or factual doesn't have any bearings on your ability to discuss the issue which is absolutely zero and thus you should stay out of all biblical discussions IMO.

No, you're reading into it again. I don't condemn homosexuality, nor do I hate it. I'm actually very opened to the idea that people are free to do whatever they want, just don't stick a penis up MY ass. See how that works?

You're assuming that a fairy tale book contains any factual details to be discussed, so one have to read it. No, doesn't work that way.

 

[Humpy]

My first thought was that it would be a great way to catch some ultrafungus that makes you stand on top of tall things so that it can better distribute its spores, but homebrewed beer is fine and it's a similar process.

Still though, why would you even want that much yogurt around? Beer at least makes sense, you can go through two gallons of it in a month without really trying.

I'm not sure of the shelf life of homemade yougurt, maybe Cerpin Taxt can chime in with that info. But for sure, two gallons of yogurt is a lot.

I had some homebrew beer the other day that was tasty but I was a little disappointed in the lack of bubbles. Keeping it from going flat is probably one of the challenges.

 

[RandomWords]

You should try the Vietnamese yogurt, it's just plain but pretty good, I can't really describe the taste.

No, you're reading into it again. I don't condemn homosexuality, nor do I hate it. I'm actually very opened to the idea that people are free to do whatever they want, just don't stick a penis up MY ass. See how that works?

You're assuming that a fairy tale book contains any factual details to be discussed, so one have to read it. No, doesn't work that way.

I didn't say you condemned homosexuality I said you believe the Bible does... see who is misreading things.

And no... I didn't say it has factual details to be discussed... i said to discuss it in any way you first have to read it... there's a big difference that you don't seem to grasp.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I'm not sure of the shelf life of homemade yougurt, maybe Cerpin Taxt can chime in with that info. But for sure, two gallons of yogurt is a lot.

I was thinking that myself. When you make yogurt is it plain or do you add fruit to it? If you add fruit do you have to add a preservative as well? What is the difference is shelf life if you add versus don't add a preservative? Inquiring minds want to know.