How my hope for this country was restored

DerekWilson

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Let me paint a picture for you.

I was raised in a republican house hold suckling on the teat of Regan. I was young, naïve, and content. And then GHWB was elected.

My father owned his own car trim company and he subcontracted to local shops and dealers. Most of his income came from one major contract though. Well, GWHB allowed laws and taxes to pass that hit small businesses like my father's really hard. It made more sense for the shops he worked for to hire in house employees to do the same job.

In the mid 90s, after Clinton was elected, just about every republican I knew was screaming about how the country was going to self destruct and we were all going to hell. I certainly didn't like being lied to, told that something depends on the definition of "is", and having our country look like it was run by a fool. But all in all, he did some good things while in office. He also did some things I disagreed with, but so did both Bush presidents.

When I started questioning my political upbringing, I started finding that I didn't agree with anyone. I would love one thing a candidate would say, but then the next would be a deal breaker. I became so disillusioned that I haven't voted since 2000.

I honestly don't believe that either the Democrat or Republican positions are viable. They each have some really really good points, but neither encompasses what I believe to be a good solution for our country. If people asked me my political affiliation I would have said that I was a liberal capitalist or something along those lines.

I think Democrats aren't good for the economy, taxes, and government spending/size and I think Republicans aren't good for anything else ? and that's only if they follow the party line (which none of them seem to want to do now that there is an eternal "war on terror" to fight and money needs to be spent).

I think moderates on both sides of the aisle never get anything done and generally take the worst bits of each side and blend them together.

Here's what I believe.

I believe in personal freedom, responsibility and a free market economy. I believe in the fair use of copyrighted material by consumers is the most important aspect of copyright law. I believe in simplifying tax law to the point where the IRS is almost irrelevant (except that someone needs to be there to do the accounting of what was earned and as a point of contact for tax collection).

I believe that we should help other nations where asked or needed for humanitarian purposes, but that we should largely stay out of other people's business. I believe in free trade. I don't feel abortion should be used as a birth control method (adoption is a much better and less selfish solution in that case) but I would *never* presume to legislate the issue (either for or against abortion) because I think it's necessary for doctors and patients to come to their own conclusions on the best course of medical care and the government shouldn't get in the way of that. In the same vein, all drugs should be decriminalized and taxed similar to the way we treat tobacco and alcohol. I think the war on drugs serves only to support terrorism, as drugs are THE major source of funding for criminal and terrorist organizations. The money we save on fighting a war against drugs could be used to help people with drug addictions or problems (those are separate issues because not all illegal drugs are addictive and many others are less addictive than tobacco); jail is much less effective than medical treatment and high quality rehab programs that are free or very affordable.

I believe in a right to privacy. I am entirely against the Patriot Act.

And I never thought I would find a political candidate anywhere near worth voting for. Friends have encouraged me to vote for the lesser of two evils, telling me that that's how I need to use my power as a citizen. But I still can't get behind that as my vote will look like support to the person who gets it even though it's only a vote against someone else.

That is, until two weeks ago when a friend of my told me he thought I'd like a candidate. I said whatever and decided to check it out just for a laugh. And I was floored.

Every single thing I believe in was reflected in the words I read. Everything.

Certainly, all of you who are much more familiar with the candidates than I was until a short time ago already know who I discovered.

Ron Paul

The freaking man.

Not only am I newly inspired to have some faith that the occasional revolutionary can come along and get noticed, but I will be voting in a primary for the first time ever. Ron Paul has made me really want to get involved in my government ? to try and make a difference in spite of the odds. In spite of the fact that his winning the primary is a long shot, he still has a shot. And that's more than anything I thought someone who made sense would have.

I've made a decision that even if he's not on the ballot I will be writing in Ron Paul's name on all presidential elections until he's dead. And maybe even after ? he'd still have more sense than many of these guys even after he's gotten a bit ripe.

And before anyone asks, yes I've read the bullshit about racism and the newsletter scandal garbage ? It's really easy for me to believe that Paul does not share the beliefs of the people who wrote the newsletter being part of AnandTech. I am positive that Anand doesn't read 100% of the material that goes up on his site. Even after that, I'm sure he disagrees with some of his editors' points sometimes, but we all have the freedom to publish what we truly believe about a product or technology. And beyond that, this forum has his name on it, and I'm sure that there are things here Anand disagrees with and that someone could get the wrong impression about him thorough.

Probably a better example than that is Tom's Hardware ? How many of you who remember Tom Pabst's writing would think he agrees with even 20% of what the writers over there say? Of course, that actually helps his reputation rather than hurts it ? but you get the point. Sometimes the name can stick around long after the person who began the thing moves on.

Just because a publication with someone's name on it said something doesn't mean that person believes it. And I'm very inclined to believe that Ron Paul is not racist based on his voting record, past statements (actually made by him and not someone else), and his espoused beliefs in general. I'm certainly abhor racism and sexism and weightism and all other things you can put an ism after that imply discrimination.

Certainly, it would be better if it hadn't happened. It's really a better idea to keep such publications in the hands of people who will keep from mucking it up as much as possible rather than letting it float around on its own.

In any event, the thing that really struck me is that Ron Paul supports laws and actions that benefit the country rather than his own agenda. I never thought I'd see a pro-life person that just as strongly opposed making abortion illegal as they opposed making it explicitly legal (like Ron Paul is). He may be pro-life, but he's more pro-what-America-wants-and-needs. He doesn't let his own agenda get in the way of fulfilling his obligation to represent his people.

Having a president who truly believes in doing the job of a president and representing his country would be an incredible change from the unilateral insanity that has plagued Washington over the past 20 years.
 

brxndxn

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Good.. Now stick with it, do not waver, do not hesitate, do not back down.. say it hard and say it strong.. and work together.. with the rest of us.. in order to change the world.

 

nageov3t

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he'd make an awful president, would do the US a world of harm, and doesn't stand a chance in hell of getting elected... but good luck, and I can respect your passion :thumbsup:
 

Ozoned

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Tis good to know that you believe that there is fertile ground to plant a seed, but it would seem that you are limiting yourself in the choice of the seeds you will plant. Surely you know that magic seeds don't really exist?
 

Capitalizt

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Originally posted by: DerekWilson
I've made a decision that even if he's not on the ballot I will be writing in Ron Paul's name on all presidential elections until he's dead. And maybe even after ? he'd still have more sense than many of these guys even after he's gotten a bit ripe.


I LOL'ed ;)

And I agree with you 100%. RP forever. The movement will live on long after he is gone.
 

JEDIYoda

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reminds me of that song...I saw the light...I saw the light...no more darkness, no more night...lol
 

Siddhartha

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I read in an article a while back that disenchanted Republicans make up a substantial percent of the US Libertarian movement.
 

LtPage1

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I got nothin'. I don't understand all this excitement over Congressman Paul, but the guy seems pretty straightforward and harmless.

I'm glad you're excited about politics, and I hope you continue to feel engaged and empowered. Good for you.
No, I didn't have anything constructive to say, but I read your whole post, and I felt obligated after all that.
 

CaptnKirk

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American Elections have largely become beauty contests - will the Prom Queen Candidate beat the Sports Hero Candidate,
and will the Snake Oil Salesman be able to hold off the Apocolypse Evangelicals ?

There is little if any support for real qualifications, it is a cyclic swing from one extremist view to the opposite extreme.

We, as a voting society are bi-polar, and are desparately in need of a candidate that has a calming effect, a Prozac Candidate.
We don't even have the attention span to seriously consider a 'Third Rail' candidate.

The collective mental fear of having made the 'losing vote', so instead of the proper decision, they go with what they feel is what every one else will do.

Sofa Kingdom . . .
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: loki8481
he'd make an awful president, would do the US a world of harm, and doesn't stand a chance in hell of getting elected... but good luck, and I can respect your passion :thumbsup:

:thumbsup:
 

Craig234

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With all due respect, I'd say I'm glad you have taken the first step out of the complacent bubble of the Republican party, but encourage you to keep going on your education.

You will find some surprising things, if you ask the questions. For example, you say the democrats are 'bad for the economy'.

One day, out of curiosity, I picked a variety of economic measures - growth, employment, stock market, well-distributed income, and so on, and did a comparison.

Luckily, (not for the country, but for my comparison), each party had 5 presidents of the last ten. That's a pretty good sampling.

What I found greatly surprised me - not that the democrats did clearly better, but that it was so strikingly better - close to a 1-5 ranking for the democrats again and again.

This told me something about myths, and raises questions about how 'common knowledge' can be pretty dangerously wrong.

Try reading some of the better liberal books, and you will get an education, and grow out of the Ron Paul phase that so many go through in getting politically informed.

I'll recommend one I have yet to read, because I know the author's writings well enough - Paul Krugman's latest, "The Conscience of a Liberal".
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Capitalizt
Originally posted by: DerekWilson
I've made a decision that even if he's not on the ballot I will be writing in Ron Paul's name on all presidential elections until he's dead. And maybe even after ? he'd still have more sense than many of these guys even after he's gotten a bit ripe.


I LOL'ed ;)

And I agree with you 100%. RP forever. The movement will live on long after he is gone.
If by "forever," you mean March 2009, then perhaps you're right. Let me tell you a story about a man many people once loved named Ross Perot...

But hey, as I said to bamacre and the rest of the bots in another thread, I'd love to see you young whippersnappers prove us all wrong! I hope to see a party created in RP's honor, and for you to present a candidate from said party in every future election. He has some decent ideas and ideals that do need to be heard... so dont lose those anywhere along the way.

Good luck with that!
 

DerekWilson

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Originally posted by: Craig234
With all due respect, I'd say I'm glad you have taken the first step out of the complacent bubble of the Republican party, but encourage you to keep going on your education.

...

What I found greatly surprised me - not that the democrats did clearly better, but that it was so strikingly better - close to a 1-5 ranking for the democrats again and again.

...

I'll recommend one I have yet to read, because I know the author's writings well enough - Paul Krugman's latest, "The Conscience of a Liberal".

Thanks, and I certainly will continue to educate myself. Just to clarify though, I would not have considered myself a Republican for something like a decade and I was certainly not complacent. I was angry.

Part of why I was angry was economics. Regan did some ok things, but didn't go far enough. He really needed to cut spending and decrease government size in a significant way. Neither of the last two Bushes followed party lines when it came to economics, taxes or government size. These are the only things that interested me about what the party said they believed and no one seems to actually do anything about it.

I'm not suprized that you would find the last few Democrats did better economically than the last few Republicans. But I certainly wouldn't blame that on the ideas of Republicanism failing more than the actual presidents who had the opportunity to lead under that banner.

Which is part of why I like Paul. His record shows him to be a man who will do what he says he will do. And what he says he will do is follow through with traditional Republican economic ideals. Which no Republican president has cared to fully do in a long while.

Top that off with a firm belief in civil liberty that would make some liberals blush and I'm all over it.

Either way, I will certainly read the book you suggest. I would love to look more closely at liberal candidates and their core philosophies. At this point I feel like I should keep my eyes peeled to watch for someone on the other side of the aisle step up like Ron Paul with revolutionay liberal ideals and a clear voting record that shows the potential to really do something great.

I'd love to see a liberal come along who would do great things for civil liberty, freedom, and protection of the digital consumer in the internet age. As far as I see there are zero democratic candidates who really embrace these liberal ideals.

Mike Gravel comes close, and I wish him all the luck for the nomination -- I believe I could get behind a lot of what he would do. But he just doesn't have the full package for me.

Like I said though, I'm ready to be educated and to get back into the idea that I can make a difference in our country -- now that I know that there are politicians out there who have the potential to "get it".
 

Sinsear

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Mr. AnandTech Editor, be prepared to be called a clown.


What do you expect when you support the "clown of candidates"?

 

jman19

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Originally posted by: Sinsear
Originally posted by: bamacre
Mr. AnandTech Editor, be prepared to be called a clown.


What do you expect when you support the "clown of candidates"?

Who do you support? You contribute little other than just trolling RP threads.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Mr. AnandTech Editor, be prepared to be called a clown.

He isn't.

Derek expressed libertarian views and so it is expected that he, like me, has an interest in a libertarian candidate.

The main difference between us is that I was 15 when our current President was elected. I did decide to vote for the lesser of two evils in 2004, but by god the longer I get to watch what "my" party does to betray my beliefs the more difficult it becomes to support it.

Our positions:

Simple tax code? Check.

Against abortion but won't make it illegal? Check.

Entirely against the Patriot Act? Check.

Interested in Ron Paul? Check.

Maybe Huckabee is only tempting due to my youth and the fact that I have only been betrayed by a single candidate from my party. If he would do anything like the status-quo then he too would be unacceptable. I fear he might betray my values, I know with certainty that Ron Paul wouldn't.

That is what my choice has come down to, and it is a difficult one to make. I am still not decided which way I?ll lean in the end. My parting thought is that I want to kick the Republican Party in the teeth.
 

homercles337

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Your repug, conservative upbringing is shining through in many of your inaccurate opinions. In addition, Ron Paul is a nut job that will *never* get more than a minuscule proportion of support, despite what the Paulbots would have you believe. Nonetheless, im fascinated by the "born again libertarians" that seem to have abandoned the repugs.
 

Capitalizt

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Originally posted by: DerekWilson

Like I said though, I'm ready to be educated and to get back into the idea that I can make a difference in our country -- now that I know that there are politicians out there who have the potential to "get it".

Not really...In fact, I can't think of a single politician who "gets it" with the exception of Ron Paul.

That is why he is generating so much excitement and controversy. He is discussing issues nobody else is willing to touch. He is willing to fight his party on the direction they have taken, and he is basically b!tch slapping the entire power structure in Washington and reminding them that their duty is to defend the Constitution above all else.

Of all the GOP and dem candidates, Paul is the one most likely to stand up and say "FU" to the establishment...even if it means losing.

..like a mouse giving the finger to a pouncing cat.

;)
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: bamacre
Mr. AnandTech Editor, be prepared to be called a clown.

He isn't.

Derek expressed libertarian views and so it is expected that he, like me, has an interest in a libertarian candidate.

The main difference between us is that I was 15 when our current President was elected. I did decide to vote for the lesser of two evils in 2004, but by god the longer I get to watch what "my" party does to betray my beliefs the more difficult it becomes to support it.

Our positions:

Simple tax code? Check.

Against abortion but won't make it illegal? Check.

Entirely against the Patriot Act? Check.

Interested in Ron Paul? Check.

Maybe Huckabee is only tempting due to my youth and the fact that I have only been betrayed by a single candidate from my party. If he would do anything like the status-quo then he too would be unacceptable. I fear he might betray my values, I know with certainty that Ron Paul wouldn't.

That is what my choice has come down to, and it is a difficult one to make. I am still not decided which way I?ll lean in the end. My parting thought is that I want to kick the Republican Party in the teeth.


The best way to "kick the Republican Party in the teeth" is by voting for Paul. Tell the Republicans you want your party back.

If you saw this thread...
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2140534&enterthread=y
... then you should know that unless our federal government is put on a diet, you'll see the end of this country before you die of old age.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Capitalizt
Originally posted by: DerekWilson
I've made a decision that even if he's not on the ballot I will be writing in Ron Paul's name on all presidential elections until he's dead. And maybe even after ? he'd still have more sense than many of these guys even after he's gotten a bit ripe.


I LOL'ed ;)

And I agree with you 100%. RP forever. The movement will live on long after he is gone.

off your meds again? Sheesh. How many times do I have to remind you guys of RP1? Meh - I guess when you grow up some day you'll realize how naive you were to make such statements. But I guess we all grow up at our own pace...