How much uglier can this election get??

[ProfJohn]

Does any one think this thing is going to get uglier than it already is??

Or are we going to get around to talking about real issues??

The trash being pushed as news is just getting insane.

Let's hope this all ends soon and we can have McCain v. Obama on the issues.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Does any one think this thing is going to get uglier than it already is??

Or are we going to get around to talking about real issues??

The trash being pushed as news is just getting insane.

Let's hope this all ends soon and we can have McCain v. Obama on the issues.

Dems ALWAYS lose on the issues. This is why it always comes down to personal attacks.

But since Obama won't debate the issues, GOP's only resort is to attack him personally. I'm still waiting for the barrage of TV ads of Wright/Rezko/Ayers, etc. You spam "God damn America" and "I don't regret setting bombs" and flag burning and GOP wins.

 

[jpeyton]

Same here, I'm waiting for Axelrod's Chicago-style political machine to kick into gear.

Hillary was a blessing in disguise. Her voters aren't buying the Palin ploy, and Hillary already used McCain's best material against Obama. Wright could have been a nice "October surprise" for McCain...instead, he's back-page news that the country has already heard and made a decision about.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Topic Title: How much uglier can this election get??

Topic Summary: Might already be the worst one in recent memory.

I thought the election of your George W. Bush was the ugliest thing ever to happen in a Presidential election... until it happened again.

But following that with four more years of John McShame and more of the same would give that a run for the money. :thumbsdown: :|

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Does any one think this thing is going to get uglier than it already is??

Or are we going to get around to talking about real issues??

The trash being pushed as news is just getting insane.

Let's hope this all ends soon and we can have McCain v. Obama on the issues.

Dems ALWAYS lose on the issues. This is why it always comes down to personal attacks.

Wow, that's the most backwards thing I've seen here in a long time. Exactly the opposite of the accurate info.

Do you have any idea who polls consistently show the public agrees with on the issues? No, you don't, because you have nothing but blind ideology.

 

[QED]

I don't know... I kind of expect every election to be ugly.

With so much at stake, so much money thrown into it, so much power available, so much emotional tie-ups, and so many different people with different ideas on how best to help their preferred candidate, I just don't see how it can get anything but uglier...

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Same here, I'm waiting for Axelrod's Chicago-style political machine to kick into gear.

Hillary was a blessing in disguise. Her voters aren't buying the Palin ploy, and Hillary already used McCain's best material against Obama. Wright could have been a nice "October surprise" for McCain...instead, he's back-page news that the country has already heard and made a decision about.

NEWS FLASH: They didn't put Sarah on the ticket to grab the left over Hillary voters. That's McCain's job.

I said this in the other threads... Chris Matthews nailed it. She was brought on as a cultural juxtaposition to the Obamas. They aren't millionaires. They are Jane and Joe Sixpack with their five kids, their mortgage and their everyday existance. Smart, normal, common sense people who aren't out to craft an image.

She's a torpedo... with a rockin' bod and a sharp sense of humor.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Same here, I'm waiting for Axelrod's Chicago-style political machine to kick into gear.

Hillary was a blessing in disguise. Her voters aren't buying the Palin ploy, and Hillary already used McCain's best material against Obama. Wright could have been a nice "October surprise" for McCain...instead, he's back-page news that the country has already heard and made a decision about.

NEWS FLASH: They didn't put Sarah on the ticket to grab the left over Hillary voters. That's McCain's job.

I said this in the other threads... Chris Matthews nailed it. She was brought on as a cultural juxtaposition to the Obamas. They aren't millionaires. They are Jane and Joe Sixpack with their five kids, their mortgage and their everyday existance. Smart, normal, common sense people who aren't out to craft an image.

She's a torpedo... with a rockin' bod and a sharp sense of humor.

Expect she isn't?

She's a ultra-conservative ex-beauty queen who's husband makes the big dollar, there is nothing average about her.

 

[shrumpage]

It will, and i blame the internet.

Anyone can post a 'fact,' things can be manipulated, theories are banded about - with no checks in place. Just look at the furor of 9/11 truthers, now apply that to politics: you get what we have now. Sites like dailykos and huffington post build on this and become a self feeding hate machine, just look through the comments. The other side is evil, and can do no good, period.

Stories that should have no legs, become gospel, why? Because: "republicans, they would do anything, so it must be true." Look no farther then the "Trig is not Palin's child" fiasco. People were convinced that republicans are soooo corrupt that they assumed that it must be true, even if they know absolutely anything about the candidate. Three days later, its false, move on to the next possible issue.

I'm not trying to single out the liberal blogs, but i remember the more nuttier 'right' sites like news max, but never to they never had the degree of hatred that i see now.

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Same here, I'm waiting for Axelrod's Chicago-style political machine to kick into gear.

Hillary was a blessing in disguise. Her voters aren't buying the Palin ploy, and Hillary already used McCain's best material against Obama. Wright could have been a nice "October surprise" for McCain...instead, he's back-page news that the country has already heard and made a decision about.

NEWS FLASH: They didn't put Sarah on the ticket to grab the left over Hillary voters. That's McCain's job.

I said this in the other threads... Chris Matthews nailed it. She was brought on as a cultural juxtaposition to the Obamas. They aren't millionaires. They are Jane and Joe Sixpack with their five kids, their mortgage and their everyday existance. Smart, normal, common sense people who aren't out to craft an image.

She's a torpedo... with a rockin' bod and a sharp sense of humor.

Expect she isn't?

She's a ultra-conservative ex-beauty queen who's husband makes the big dollar, there is nothing average about her.

Prime example of sexism in action here.

She is the current governor of a US State, and you dismiss her as an "ex-beauty queen"?

And what info do you have the leads you to believe "the husband makes the big dollar?". I'd love to see where you came up with this...

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Same here, I'm waiting for Axelrod's Chicago-style political machine to kick into gear.

Hillary was a blessing in disguise. Her voters aren't buying the Palin ploy, and Hillary already used McCain's best material against Obama. Wright could have been a nice "October surprise" for McCain...instead, he's back-page news that the country has already heard and made a decision about.

NEWS FLASH: They didn't put Sarah on the ticket to grab the left over Hillary voters. That's McCain's job.

I said this in the other threads... Chris Matthews nailed it. She was brought on as a cultural juxtaposition to the Obamas. They aren't millionaires. They are Jane and Joe Sixpack with their five kids, their mortgage and their everyday existance. Smart, normal, common sense people who aren't out to craft an image.

She's a torpedo... with a rockin' bod and a sharp sense of humor.

Expect she isn't?

She's a ultra-conservative ex-beauty queen who's husband makes the big dollar, there is nothing average about her.

Prime example of sexism in action here.

She is the current governor of a US State, and you dismiss her as an "ex-beauty queen"?

And what info do you have the leads you to believe "the husband makes the big dollar?". I'd love to see where you came up with this...

Dude works on the slope. Probably pulls in around 100k/year. They're not poor by any stretch of the imagination... But they're no where near Obama/McCain/Clinton/*Politician rich. Like I said... They are middle america. Dad is in the steel workers union. Mom was shuttling kids to practice before she found politics...

I'm actually surprised by the level of hatred splashed on her and her family. Everyone wants an outsider... someone 'normal' to hold positions of power instead of the career do-nothing, corrupt politicians we always get stuck with. Well, here comes normal. Ready, aim fire. I guess normal isn't good enough if she doesn't have the right letter after her name.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I'm actually surprised by the level of hatred splashed on her and her family. Everyone wants an outsider... someone 'normal' to hold positions of power instead of the career do-nothing, corrupt politicians we always get stuck with. Well, here comes normal. Ready, aim fire. I guess normal isn't good enough if she doesn't have the right letter after her name.

Actually we're attacking her because of a combination of two things:

1) She's one of the most socially conservative candidates to run for the executive branch in decades.

2) She's one of the least experienced candidates to run for the executive branch in decades.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I'm actually surprised by the level of hatred splashed on her and her family. Everyone wants an outsider... someone 'normal' to hold positions of power instead of the career do-nothing, corrupt politicians we always get stuck with. Well, here comes normal. Ready, aim fire. I guess normal isn't good enough if she doesn't have the right letter after her name.

Actually we're attacking her because of a combination of two things:

1) She's one of the most socially conservative candidates to run for the executive branch in decades.

2) She's one of the least experienced candidates to run for the executive branch in decades.

I have no problem with her being conservative.

Please tell me what experience BHO has that makes him more qualified to be Prez, much less VP?

He was a community organizer. Oooo-k. Sarah was in the PTA. Push
He was a state senator... and routinely refused to vote yes or no. PRESENT!
He is a US senator... who has not authored or passed a single piece of legislation. Sarah was/is a governor. Sarah wins.

Really... What has BHO does to make him more qualified?

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I'm actually surprised by the level of hatred splashed on her and her family. Everyone wants an outsider... someone 'normal' to hold positions of power instead of the career do-nothing, corrupt politicians we always get stuck with. Well, here comes normal. Ready, aim fire. I guess normal isn't good enough if she doesn't have the right letter after her name.

Actually we're attacking her because of a combination of two things:

1) She's one of the most socially conservative candidates to run for the executive branch in decades.

2) She's one of the least experienced candidates to run for the executive branch in decades.

I have no problem with her being conservative.

Please tell me what experience BHO has that makes him more qualified to be Prez, much less VP?

He was a community organizer. Oooo-k. Sarah was in the PTA. Push
He was a state senator... and routinely refused to vote yes or no. PRESENT!
He is a US senator... who has not authored or passed a single piece of legislation. Sarah was/is a governor. Sarah wins.

Really... What has BHO does to make him more qualified?

He's run a national campaign for high office that so far has been successful enough to get the repug's panties in a wad.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I'm actually surprised by the level of hatred splashed on her and her family. Everyone wants an outsider... someone 'normal' to hold positions of power instead of the career do-nothing, corrupt politicians we always get stuck with. Well, here comes normal. Ready, aim fire. I guess normal isn't good enough if she doesn't have the right letter after her name.

Actually we're attacking her because of a combination of two things:

1) She's one of the most socially conservative candidates to run for the executive branch in decades.

2) She's one of the least experienced candidates to run for the executive branch in decades.

I have no problem with her being conservative.

Please tell me what experience BHO has that makes him more qualified to be Prez, much less VP?

He was a community organizer. Oooo-k. Sarah was in the PTA. Push
He was a state senator... and routinely refused to vote yes or no. PRESENT!
He is a US senator... who has not authored or passed a single piece of legislation. Sarah was/is a governor. Sarah wins.

Really... What has BHO does to make him more qualified?

He's run a national campaign for high office that so far has been successful enough to get the repug's panties in a wad.

Actually he's been the front man for a national campaign. Somebody else is actually running it. And besides, since when did being a successful campaigner make you competent to run the country? GWB ran very successful campaigns. (Oh wait... He was a front man too. My bad) Look where that got us.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Please tell me what experience BHO has that makes him more qualified to be Prez, much less VP?

Here's the #1 reason why the GOP will fail in November.

You can't answer questions about Palin's inexperience by saying the other guy is inexperienced as well; all you're doing is affirming it, not refuting it.

The bottom line is that Barack is a known quantity. He's been running for President for almost two years now. We've already had questions about his inexperience asked, debated, questioned, etc., and yet he still got 18 million primary votes and the party nomination. So that tells you people think he is experienced enough to vote for him, and in the end that is all that matters.

Palin is an unknown. McCain has less than two months to convince voters that Palin deserves their vote. Social conservatives have already pledged their undying support, but in a year with Democratic voter rolls far outpacing Republican voter rolls, the math isn't there for McCain to win this election with his base alone.

And so far, in the first 5 days of Palin's candidacy, the airwaves have been flooded with stories that do the exact opposite of what McCain wants to accomplish. It's story after story about her inexperience, her support of right-wing social conservative issues, her ethics investigation, etc.; all things that do nothing to help her with independents or Democrats.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Please tell me what experience BHO has that makes him more qualified to be Prez, much less VP?

Here's the #1 reason why the GOP will fail in November.

You can't answer questions about Palin's inexperience by saying the other guy is inexperienced as well; all you're doing is affirming it, not refuting it.

The bottom line is that Barack is a known quantity. He's been running for President for almost two years now. We've already had questions about his inexperience asked, debated, questioned, etc., and yet he still got 18 million primary votes and the party nomination. So that tells you people think he is experienced enough to vote for him, and in the end that is all that matters.

Palin is an unknown. McCain has less than two months to convince voters that Palin deserves their vote. Social conservatives have already pledged their undying support, but in a year with Democratic voter rolls far outpacing Republican voter rolls, the math isn't there for McCain to win this election with his base alone.

And so far, in the first 5 days of Palin's candidacy, the airwaves have been flooded with stories that do the exact opposite of what McCain wants to accomplish. It's story after story about her inexperience, her support of right-wing social conservative issues, her ethics investigation, etc.; all things that do nothing to help her with independents or Democrats.

Did you even read what I wrote? I didn't pass off her 'inexperience' by pointing out Obama's. I made very clear comparisons that, while over simplified, are valid. "Barak is popular" is not an answer to how he is qualified. And he's not really a know quantity. All we really know about him is that he snorted coke and is full of hope.

Nobody is voting for Palin. They are voting for McCain.

Most of what has been flooding the air has been made up by crap bloggers spewing false and misleading information. There hasn't been any hard news about her. There has been pleanty of news about her daughter and what came out of whose vagina... Yay for that. But even the ethics story (which is a non issue) has been little more than a headline. I haven't seen anything from a credible source that shows anything damning. But I guess a headline is enough these days...

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Did you even read what I wrote? I didn't pass off her 'inexperience' by pointing out Obama's. I made very clear comparisons that, while over simplified, are valid. "Barak is popular" is not an answer to how he is qualified. And he's not really a know quantity. All we really know about him is that he snorted coke and is full of hope.

That's fine, and I'm sure if you polled the entire RNC tonight, they would all say the exact same thing. Blowhards usually do. If you're gambling on the Republican base to pull McCain through this election, you're going to lose your lunch money.

Nobody is voting for Palin. They are voting for McCain.

You should tell McCain that. Nobody makes a Hail Mary pass like the Palin VP pick unless they're trying to get votes.

Most of what has been flooding the air has been made up by crap bloggers spewing false and misleading information. There hasn't been any hard news about her. There has been pleanty of news about her daughter and what came out of whose vagina... Yay for that. But even the ethics story (which is a non issue) has been little more than a headline. I haven't seen anything from a credible source that shows anything damning. But I guess a headline is enough these days...

Like I said before, believe what you want to believe. The truth in this country, regardless of what side you're on, is that people believe what they see on TV and if you repeat something enough times it becomes reality. All I've seen for the last five days is non-stop coverage that is damaging to Palin. That's why McCain black-balled CNN, and why his campaign is attacking the media now as well.

He should be very concerned that beyond the 30-second ad or clip of a stump-speech, Palin's free media coverage is costing him that crucial independent and crossover Democratic vote that he positively needs to have a chance in November.

You can join McCain's camp in screaming about media bias, about sexism, etc.. Hillary did the same thing, and I expect you'll get the same results she did: 2nd place.

 

[First]

You'd have to be pretty young to think this campaign has been worse smear-wise than 2000 or 2004. The smears McCain experienced at the hands of Bush supporters in SC in 2000 (that McCain was gay, wife was a drug addict, etc.) and the swears against Kerry by Swiftboaters in 2004 (that he faked it to get his Purple Hearts) easily trump the worse we've seen here, which is I guess that Palin's daughter had a baby out of wedlock.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
You'd have to be pretty young to think this campaign has been worse smear-wise than 2000 or 2004.

And the shameless OP was out front leading the charge.

 

[StageLeft]

Palin is quite pretty, though, so it's getting less ugly.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
She's a torpedo... with a rockin' bod and a sharp sense of humor.

Expect she isn't?

She's a ultra-conservative ex-beauty queen who's husband makes the big dollar, there is nothing average about her.

Prime example of sexism in action here.

She is the current governor of a US State, and you dismiss her as an "ex-beauty queen"?

And what info do you have the leads you to believe "the husband makes the big dollar?". I'd love to see where you came up with this...

Gee, I wonder why Tab would have mentioned her status as an "ex-beauty queen"... it couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that he was responding to someone who mentioned her "rockin' bod" could it?

As for her husband making the big dollar, assuming he is pulling a 6 digit salary as Whozeyerdaddy has indicated, the median household income of the Matanuska-Susitna Borough (home to Wasilla, where Palin was mayor) is $51,221, which would put their family in the upper crust even if he was the sole wage earner (which he isn't). The median household income of Alaska as a whole is still under $52,000, so if he's earning a 6 digit income and she's pulling in over $80,000 herself as governor, they're fairly well off.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
They are Jane and Joe Sixpack with their five kids, their mortgage and their everyday existance. Smart, normal, common sense people who aren't out to craft an image.

She's a torpedo... with a rockin' bod and a sharp sense of humor.

Expect she isn't?

She's a ultra-conservative ex-beauty queen who's husband makes the big dollar, there is nothing average about her.

Prime example of sexism in action here.

She is the current governor of a US State, and you dismiss her as an "ex-beauty queen"?

And what info do you have the leads you to believe "the husband makes the big dollar?". I'd love to see where you came up with this...

Gee, I wonder why Tab would have mentioned her status as an "ex-beauty queen"... it couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that he was responding to someone who mentioned her "rockin' bod" could it?

As for her husband making the big dollar, assuming he is pulling a 6 digit salary as Whozeyerdaddy has indicated, the median household income of the Matanuska-Susitna Borough (home to Wasilla, where Palin was mayor) is $51,221, which would put their family in the upper crust even if he was the sole wage earner (which he isn't). The median household income of Alaska as a whole is still under $52,000, so if he's earning a 6 digit income and she's pulling in over $80,000 herself as governor, they're fairly well off.

Actually, he was responding to his whole post, not just the portion that you clipped out. I added back in the relevant part.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I'm actually surprised by the level of hatred splashed on her and her family. Everyone wants an outsider... someone 'normal' to hold positions of power instead of the career do-nothing, corrupt politicians we always get stuck with. Well, here comes normal. Ready, aim fire. I guess normal isn't good enough if she doesn't have the right letter after her name.

Actually we're attacking her because of a combination of two things:

1) She's one of the most socially conservative candidates to run for the executive branch in decades.

2) She's one of the least experienced candidates to run for the executive branch in decades.

I have no problem with her being conservative.

Please tell me what experience BHO has that makes him more qualified to be Prez, much less VP?

He was a community organizer. Oooo-k. Sarah was in the PTA. Push
He was a state senator... and routinely refused to vote yes or no. PRESENT!
He is a US senator... who has not authored or passed a single piece of legislation. Sarah was/is a governor. Sarah wins.

Really... What has BHO does to make him more qualified?

You make it sound like it is ok that she is inexperienced because she is "just" running for VP. That is just wrong, when McSame kicks the bucket in the next 4 year she would have less then a day to do nothing ex-beauty queen to leader of the free world.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I'm actually surprised by the level of hatred splashed on her and her family. Everyone wants an outsider... someone 'normal' to hold positions of power instead of the career do-nothing, corrupt politicians we always get stuck with. Well, here comes normal. Ready, aim fire. I guess normal isn't good enough if she doesn't have the right letter after her name.

Actually we're attacking her because of a combination of two things:

1) She's one of the most socially conservative candidates to run for the executive branch in decades.

2) She's one of the least experienced candidates to run for the executive branch in decades.

I have no problem with her being conservative.

Please tell me what experience BHO has that makes him more qualified to be Prez, much less VP?

He was a community organizer. Oooo-k. Sarah was in the PTA. Push
He was a state senator... and routinely refused to vote yes or no. PRESENT!
He is a US senator... who has not authored or passed a single piece of legislation. Sarah was/is a governor. Sarah wins.

Really... What has BHO does to make him more qualified?

You make it sound like it is ok that he is inexperienced because he will have an experienced VP. That is just wrong, when he is elected he will have to immediately go from do nothing ex-community organizer to leader of the free world.

Fixed.