How much trouble would you get in for killing a guy about to get legally executed?

[StageLeft]

Say a guy is on deathrow and he's being taken to his execution room by the state. He's set to get killed in about 12 hours. You come along and shoot him. Do you think you'd really get convicted of first degree murder and actually face the possibility of going on deathrow yourself?

 

[xaeniac]

Probably life in prison with the possibility of parole.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Say a guy is on deathrow and he's being taken to his execution room by the state. He's set to get killed in about 12 hours. You come along and shoot him. Do you think you'd really get convicted of first degree murder and actually face the possibility of going on deathrow yourself?

Yes. Regardless of his condition, you've still committed murder - would you receive less time if you killed an 80-year old man as opposed to a 40-year man, in cold blood?

 

[KingPhil]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Say a guy is on deathrow and he's being taken to his execution room by the state. He's set to get killed in about 12 hours. You come along and shoot him. Do you think you'd really get convicted of first degree murder and actually face the possibility of going on deathrow yourself?

Try it and let us know the outcome........

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Say a guy is on deathrow and he's being taken to his execution room by the state. He's set to get killed in about 12 hours. You come along and shoot him. Do you think you'd really get convicted of first degree murder and actually face the possibility of going on deathrow yourself?

whatchu talkin bout Skoorb?


you'd be joining him on death row. that's what i think.

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Say a guy is on deathrow and he's being taken to his execution room by the state. He's set to get killed in about 12 hours. You come along and shoot him. Do you think you'd really get convicted of first degree murder and actually face the possibility of going on deathrow yourself?

whatchu talkin bout Skoorb?


you'd be taking his place on death row. that's what i think.

Fixed with what I think.

 

[jalaram]

If person A fell out of a tall building and person B shot him on the way down, B would still be guilty of the crime.

Thanks to Law & Order for that example.

 

[GasX]

If a guy with terminal cancer takes 100 sleeping pills and jumps off a high-rise tower and you shoot him in the head just before he lands you will still get convicted of murder and face the prescribed penalities of your state - especially if you are black and live in Texas...

 

[AStar617]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
If a guy with terminal cancer takes 100 sleeping pills and jumps off a high-rise tower and you shoot him in the head just before he lands you will still get convicted of murder and face the prescribed penalities of your state - especially if you are black and live in Texas...

Quoted for truth! lol

 

[Hammer]

on the plus side, i don't think his family would get much in a civil suit.

 

[dullard]

A person purposely killing another person is murder - no matter what the circumstances. Note: lets avoid the abortion debate for this thread, start another thread if you want that.

A state may kill another person in limited situations. Suppose someone was convicted of mass murder in Texas, recieved the death penalty, and exhausted all of his appeals. In this extremely rare case, Texas could kill the guy, but no person is allowed to do so.

 

[etalns]

Originally posted by: Hammer
on the plus side, i don't think his family would get much in a civil suit.

If I read that correctly, that is a diss at Skoorb!

 

[Mo0o]

From what I hear, you can get in to a heap of trouble "killing" someoen that's alraedy dead. Ie you think they're sleeping and you shoot them in the face when in fact they're already dead. the intent to kill goes pretty far. Atleast i think it does...

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: xaeniac
Probably life in prison with the possibility of parole.

boo yah

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
If a guy with terminal cancer takes 100 sleeping pills and jumps off a high-rise tower and you shoot him in the head just before he lands you will still get convicted of murder and face the prescribed penalities of your state - especially if you are black and live in Texas...

Intriguing theory, buuut... isn't a criminal conviction, "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? Wouldn't the examination of death have to happen after the person landed? How would the state be able to prove that it was *you* who did the deed, when the body is in pieces over a 100m radius from the fall? Here's another one - what if the person, died of a heart-attack, just after jumping, and was dead a split-second before you decided to use the rapidly-decending corpse for target-practice? Is target practice with freshly-dead humans against the law in the state of texas?

Ok, how about another scenario - you're on the ground, and you whip out your concealed sawed-off shotgun out of your waistband, and blast the rapidly-approaching corpse falling from above you, in order to save your own life. Now what would the verdict be?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
If a guy with terminal cancer takes 100 sleeping pills and jumps off a high-rise tower and you shoot him in the head just before he lands you will still get convicted of murder and face the prescribed penalities of your state - especially if you are black and live in Texas...

That's dumb!

Ok, how about another scenario - you're on the ground, and you whip out your concealed sawed-off shotgun out of your waistband, and blast the rapidly-approaching corpse falling from above you, in order to save your own life. Now what would the verdict be?

I think you could put that up to self defense or protecting yourself or something

 

[dman]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Say a guy is on deathrow and he's being taken to his execution room by the state. He's set to get killed in about 12 hours. You come along and shoot him. Do you think you'd really get convicted of first degree murder and actually face the possibility of going on deathrow yourself?

Have you ever been to a turkish prison?

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Say a guy is on deathrow and he's being taken to his execution room by the state. He's set to get killed in about 12 hours. You come along and shoot him. Do you think you'd really get convicted of first degree murder and actually face the possibility of going on deathrow yourself?

Same as murdering anyone else.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: Qosis

Originally posted by: Hammer
on the plus side, i don't think his family would get much in a civil suit.

If I read that correctly, that is a diss at Skoorb!

lol no. think about it. the guy wouldn't be alive much longer so actual damages would be nothing. anything could happen with punitive damages i guess.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: Qosis

Originally posted by: Hammer
on the plus side, i don't think his family would get much in a civil suit.

If I read that correctly, that is a diss at Skoorb!

lol no. think about it. the guy wouldn't be alive much longer so actual damages would be nothing. anything could happen with punitive damages i guess.

Nah... actuals could be pretty high, if life support were involved. This would be offset by a state subrogation lien (to pay the medical bills).

The prospective victim's future earning potential is almost nothing, so that is a non-factor.

You may even have a cause of action against the state.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Mwilding
If a guy with terminal cancer takes 100 sleeping pills and jumps off a high-rise tower and you shoot him in the head just before he lands you will still get convicted of murder and face the prescribed penalities of your state - especially if you are black and live in Texas...

Intriguing theory, buuut... isn't a criminal conviction, "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? Wouldn't the examination of death have to happen after the person landed? How would the state be able to prove that it was *you* who did the deed, when the body is in pieces over a 100m radius from the fall? Here's another one - what if the person, died of a heart-attack, just after jumping, and was dead a split-second before you decided to use the rapidly-decending corpse for target-practice? Is target practice with freshly-dead humans against the law in the state of texas?

Ok, how about another scenario - you're on the ground, and you whip out your concealed sawed-off shotgun out of your waistband, and blast the rapidly-approaching corpse falling from above you, in order to save your own life. Now what would the verdict be?

Medical Examiners are pretty damn good about identifying cause of death....

If the wound isn't bloody, then the heart wasn't beating when he got shot... At the gross anatomy level alone there are tons of clues about how and/or why someone died. Add in blood tests, tissue tests, microscopy, etc... and you have what you need.

 

[Encryptic]

Wouldn't that fall under "obstruction of justice" as well, since you're not permitting them to officially execute the guy in a legally approved manner?

 

[Ausm]

I think he would get a slap on the wrist.

Ausm

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Say a guy is on deathrow and he's being taken to his execution room by the state. He's set to get killed in about 12 hours. You come along and shoot him. Do you think you'd really get convicted of first degree murder and actually face the possibility of going on deathrow yourself?

whatchu talkin bout Skoorb?


you'd be taking his place on death row. that's what i think.

Fixed with what I think.

true...

 

[osiris3mc]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
From what I hear, you can get in to a heap of trouble "killing" someoen that's alraedy dead. Ie you think they're sleeping and you shoot them in the face when in fact they're already dead. the intent to kill goes pretty far. Atleast i think it does...

You are right on that one. I don't remember the case names, but I studied a lot of them in crim law regarding instances where someone attempted to kill a person that was already dead.

For instance, there were two guys who shot and killed another one. The first guy shot him enough to the point where he was dead. However, shortly thereafter, the second guy shot him (basically to show how "though" he was). He was convicted of murder.

Basically all that is required is the Mens Rea and the Acuts Reus. In other words, all you need is to have the intent/mind-set and have committed the act.