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How much salary does a doctor make

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vi edit said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/14/us/salaried-doctors-may-not-lead-to-cheaper-health-care.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/health/policy/26docs.html

Like I said earlier, over the last 6-10 years, health care systems have been very aggressively buying out physician groups and moving them to employees of the system rather than independent practices.

There are still many system that have incentive laden bonus models, but it's not the primary income.
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Those articles don't actually say more than 50% of US physicians are salaried. However, they do indicate that the US landscape is changing very quickly.
 
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Eug said:
Those articles don't actually say more than 50% of US physicians are salaried. However, they do indicate that the US landscape is changing very quickly.
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Roughly 50% of doctors are hospital/health system employees and are salaried. They are not billing out for their own professional fees independently.
 
TheVrolok said:
Too little.

/bias
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This, compare what doctors make to what the admins make. The admins never even step foot in the hospital and dont even have any medical experience. Its basically, "work more so I can but another yacth."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/sunday-review/doctors-salaries-are-not-the-big-cost.html?_r=0

So basically DRs are pissed that all the money, autonomy, and respect they used to have is gone, so that some guy in a suit can rake in the cash. They cant practice the way they want because the man in the suit is controlling the pursestrings, and the patients that used to respect them now just see them as cogs in the machine, getting in between them and their Dilaudid.
 
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I went to an orthopedist today... didn't seem like that crazy of a job.

touched my injured knee, analyzed how I walked, which motions I could/couldn't make, and sent me off for an MRI.

of course, depending on the MRI results, he may or may not also be performing surgery on my knee.
 
loki8481 said:
I went to an orthopedist today... didn't seem like that crazy of a job.

touched my injured knee, analyzed how I walked, which motions I could/couldn't make, and sent me off for an MRI.

of course, depending on the MRI results, he may or may not also be performing surgery on my knee.
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Surgery is in his best financial interest, so expect it.....😎

Don't ever forget, it's a business, in business to make money. It's no different than going to a store or dealer.
 
Slew Foot said:
This, compare what doctors make to what the admins make. The admins never even step foot in the hospital and dont even have any medical experience. Its basically, "work more so I can but another yacth."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/sunday-review/doctors-salaries-are-not-the-big-cost.html?_r=0

So basically DRs are pissed that all the money, autonomy, and respect they used to have is gone, so that some guy in a suit can rake in the cash. They cant practice the way they want because the man in the suit is controlling the pursestrings, and the patients that used to respect them now just see them as cogs in the machine, getting in between them and their Dilaudid.
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Doctors are their own worst enemy when it comes to running a business.
 
Doctors are some of few 1%ers that truly earn their money. They worked hard to get there, and work hard every day too and generally, they're there to help people. Though I guess this might be different in the states as the medical system is for profit. Though even here in Canada they make money off medication, so it's in their best interest to push pills. But in general I'd say they are respectable. They are also held liable for their work so it's in their best interest to make the right calls, and the human body can be pretty complex, shit happens. Sometimes it happens at the wrong place if you don't stitch something right. D: So it can be pretty stressful as you don't want to screw up and risk your job and reputation.
 
xeemzor said:
Doctors are their own worst enemy when it comes to running a business.
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Very true. They never should have accepted an insurance based reimbursement model. Lawyers dont accept it, accountants dont accept it, you'd always hesitate to take your car to the place your insurance co wants it to go, DRs really f'ed themselves over there.

Though the govt bends DRs over a barrell too by prohibiting collective bargaining, other healthcare workers are doing OK because of their unions, DRs get the shaft.
 
I don't think my current treatment team could ever be paid enough. I cannot fathom how difficult being an Oncologist must be!
 
purbeast0 said:
my dad was a urologist and seeing how much he worked was the sole reason i would have never considered becoming a doctor.
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My dad worked a lot too, in anesthesia. Long hours. I never considered going to medical school.

My brother was a vascular and general surgeon. He once told me "stay out of the orthopedist's office." I don't think I've been in one since, but I often think I should. His son, same specialty, told me that he although he said that he wasn't the guy to follow that advice!
 
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IAteYourMother said:
Kind of surprised that family medicine makes that much
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A good family medicine doctor can treat most things, and you should only be referred to a specialist if you have something super rare or complicated. If yours just constantly punts you off, find a new doctor.
 
lol i never saw the image before with teh graph of salaries, but my dad (as a urologist) made NOWHERE NEAR the $344,000 that article is claiming. not even remotely close to that.

granted he passed away in 2009, but i doubt salaries have gone up that much since then. and he was one of the best, and in one of the richest parts of the country (the DMV area) so he wasn't working in a low cost of living area.
 
Health care salaries are wildly skewed based upon region. The hospital my wife used to work at in the middle of no-where Illinois paid clinicians *incredibly* well. They made more in downstate IL than they would in Chicago. There are hospitals in very obscure/rural places that will pay 2x as much for an anesthesiologist than a major metro area will. It's all need based. It's hard to bring and keep skilled workers in less desirable areas.
 
Orthos tend to have to take a lot of call and trama. Car accident, ortho is involved. Sports injury? Ortho involved. A good chunk of the real injuries that show up in the ER involve an ortho.
 
vi edit said:
Roughly 50% of doctors are hospital/health system employees and are salaried. They are not billing out for their own professional fees independently.
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Well, a lot of doctors who don't bill out their own professional fees independently are also not salaried.

ie. A doctor can work for a health group that is owned by a third party company. The group's billing department will handle all billings and the doctor will never get the entire billed amount. The company will pay the doctor a proportion of the funds and keep the rest. In return, the company handles all the overhead.

As for "roughly 50% of doctors are salaried", perhaps that is true these days, but your original statement was that over half of doctors are salaried, and so far your links haven't confirmed that.
 
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