How much RAM.

[toyota]

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: Shubhro1
xp...resolution is 1360 x 768.

If I were to pick a card for him to use today with that resolution it would be the 8800gt 256 mb version. Might still find one used for less then 50 bucks. I paid 60$ for my 8800gt 512. Games are needing more and more gpu power with every release. Theres nothing wrong with a little future proofing is there?

I'm sure in the near future the x2 5200 cpu will become the minimum requirements for most games and he will need to upgrade it. If he keeps his NEW monitor for a little while (which he probrobly will) he might not need to upgrade his gpu again if he gets something with a little more power now.

For 25 more bucks, if i just bought a new monitor(like him) and had that cpu which I knew was on it's last legs, I'd get a 4770 for 99.00$ if I could find one. At least I could use it in my next setup @ 1360x768 easily.
Who cares about the bottlneck now.(were talking 25 bucks!!) Crank up all the settings and enjoy now and in the future.:beer:

256mb really doesnt cut it for modern games even at that res. even older games like STALKER on high settings will likely plummet with only 256mb at 1366x768. I know for sure that it does at the slightly more demanding and more common 1280x1024 res.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: Shubhro1
xp...resolution is 1360 x 768.

If I were to pick a card for him to use today with that resolution it would be the 8800gt 256 mb version. Might still find one used for less then 50 bucks. I paid 60$ for my 8800gt 512. Games are needing more and more gpu power with every release. Theres nothing wrong with a little future proofing is there?

I'm sure in the near future the x2 5200 cpu will become the minimum requirements for most games and he will need to upgrade it. If he keeps his NEW monitor for a little while (which he probrobly will) he might not need to upgrade his gpu again if he gets something with a little more power now.

For 25 more bucks, if i just bought a new monitor(like him) and had that cpu which I knew was on it's last legs, I'd get a 4770 for 99.00$ if I could find one. At least I could use it in my next setup @ 1360x768 easily.
Who cares about the bottlneck now.(were talking 25 bucks!!) Crank up all the settings and enjoy now and in the future.:beer:

256mb really doesnt cut it for modern games even at that res. even older games like STALKER will plummet with only 256mb at 1366x768 ot the more common 1280x1024.

Any benches to back that up?

Stalker 1600x1200 max settings 256 mb 8800gt 37 fps!

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/607/4/

Crysis med settings 40 fps @ 1600x1200

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/607/8/

Call of duty 4 1280x1024 with 4xaa, 45 fps

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/607/9/

Read for yourself.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/607/1/



A 8800gt 256mb for 50 bucks (mabe less) what do you exspect to play a game like Stalker or Crysis at high settings? Be realistic. I'ts a low end machine of coarse with certain games you'll cut down on the detail but no more then a 9600gt for 76.00$.

Like I said I would go for the 4770 anyway for the reasons I said in my prior post.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: Shubhro1
xp...resolution is 1360 x 768.

If I were to pick a card for him to use today with that resolution it would be the 8800gt 256 mb version. Might still find one used for less then 50 bucks. I paid 60$ for my 8800gt 512. Games are needing more and more gpu power with every release. Theres nothing wrong with a little future proofing is there?

I'm sure in the near future the x2 5200 cpu will become the minimum requirements for most games and he will need to upgrade it. If he keeps his NEW monitor for a little while (which he probrobly will) he might not need to upgrade his gpu again if he gets something with a little more power now.

For 25 more bucks, if i just bought a new monitor(like him) and had that cpu which I knew was on it's last legs, I'd get a 4770 for 99.00$ if I could find one. At least I could use it in my next setup @ 1360x768 easily.
Who cares about the bottlneck now.(were talking 25 bucks!!) Crank up all the settings and enjoy now and in the future.:beer:

256mb really doesnt cut it for modern games even at that res. even older games like STALKER will plummet with only 256mb at 1366x768 ot the more common 1280x1024.

Any benches to back that up?

A 8800gt 256mb for 50 bucks (mabe less) what do you exspect to play a game like Stalker or Crysis at high settings? Be realistic. I'ts a low end machine of coarse with certain games you'll cut down on the detail but no more then a 9600gt for 76.00$.

Like I said I would go for the 4770 anyway for the reasons I said in my prior post.

the 8800gt is easily capable of play on high settings with 512mb. hell I played STALKER on all high settings at 1024x768 with an 8600gt. Crysis I played on medium with water on high at 1024x768 with the 8600gt. an 8800gt with only 256mb is a ridiculous card that should have never been made.

 

[happy medium]

read benches above in prior post that I edited.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: happy medium
read benches above

well I have seen completely different results for Crysis. the 8800gt 256mb was only ran 1024x768 because it could not handle 1280x1024 without dropping some settings to low. yet a slower clocked 8800gt 512mb could run at 1280x1024. http://www.hardocp.com/article...w3LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

I will have to search for the reviews of STALKER though.

just imagine trying to run Fallout 3, Far Cry 2 and other newer games with only 256mb.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: happy medium
read benches above

well I have seen completely different results for Crysis. the 8800gt 256mb was only ran 1024x768 because it could not handle 1280x1024 without dropping some settings to low. yet a slower clocked 8800gt 512mb could run at 1280x1024. http://www.hardocp.com/article...w3LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

I will have to search for the reviews of STALKER though.

just imagine trying to run Fallout 3, Far Cry 2 and other newer games with only 256mb.

Crysis would play @ 1280x1024 if they set all the details to med/low in that article. No where does it say its unplayable @ 1280x1024.

And thats the most gpu intesive game out there even now.
All other games will play at higher settings then Crysis thats a given.
I made my point dont you think? The other 2 games play at higher then 1280x1024.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: happy medium
read benches above

well I have seen completely different results for Crysis. the 8800gt 256mb was only ran 1024x768 because it could not handle 1280x1024 without dropping some settings to low. yet a slower clocked 8800gt 512mb could run at 1280x1024. http://www.hardocp.com/article...w3LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

I will have to search for the reviews of STALKER though.

just imagine trying to run Fallout 3, Far Cry 2 and other newer games with only 256mb.

These games require less gpu power then Crysis,everyone knows that.

 

[happy medium]

Hey, no need to bicker. The guy should get a 4770 anyway.
Have a good night.:thumbsup:

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: happy medium
read benches above

well I have seen completely different results for Crysis. the 8800gt 256mb was only ran 1024x768 because it could not handle 1280x1024 without dropping some settings to low. yet a slower clocked 8800gt 512mb could run at 1280x1024. http://www.hardocp.com/article...w3LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

I will have to search for the reviews of STALKER though.

just imagine trying to run Fallout 3, Far Cry 2 and other newer games with only 256mb.

Crysis would play @ 1280x1024 if they set all the details to med/low in that article. No where does it say its unplayable @ 1280x1024.

And thats the most gpu intesive game out there even now.
All other games will play at higher settings then Crysis thats a given.
I made my point dont you think? The other 2 games play at higher then 1280x1024.

right but you are having to turn it down just because it doesnt have enough ram. thats silly to have a gpu that is capable of doing so much more but gimping it with only 256mb. also there are games like Far Cry 2 and Fallout 3 out now that use more memory than games back in 2007. 256mb is not enough for many modern games. I still say a 9600gt is better suited to his res and cpu. if a better gpu is only a few bucks more then go that route but know that you want be pushing it fully with that cpu at that res.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: happy medium
read benches above

well I have seen completely different results for Crysis. the 8800gt 256mb was only ran 1024x768 because it could not handle 1280x1024 without dropping some settings to low. yet a slower clocked 8800gt 512mb could run at 1280x1024. http://www.hardocp.com/article...w3LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

I will have to search for the reviews of STALKER though.

<<just imagine trying to run Fallout 3, Far Cry 2 and other newer games with only 256mb.

These games require less gpu power then Crysis,everyone knows that.

they require MORE video memory though. either one of those games but especially Far Cry 2 exceed 512mb well before Crysis does. an 8800gt with only 256mb would be silly in those situations compared to the 512mb model.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: happy medium
Looks like the lowest price 9600gt is 77$ on newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814143161

Why not spend the extra 13$ and grab a 4830?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814102822

If his psu will allow?

Why not just grab a 4850, when they're selling for as low as that 4830?

And I disagree that a 9600gt is enough at that res, there are some games that will stress a 9600gt even at 1024x768 once you max the graphics settings.

have you owned a 5000 X2 cpu? I did for 2 years and at a resolution like 1366x768 and especially 1024x768 a 4850 isnt going offer more when it comes to minimum framerate than a 9600gt can deliver in most cases. that res is too cpu bound and a 5000 X2 is not strong enough to push a 4850 to its full potential at such a low res. even a 9600gt wont get 100% utilized at that low res with a 5000 X2.

Have you actually played a gpu intensive game like Crysis? Of course you have. A 9600gt can not even play Crysis @ high settings comfortably even @ 1366x768 resolution. Never mind very high settings. Of course there are some games a 5000x2 can not handle well but majority of those CPU intensive games consist of MMORPG or the latest suck A console ports that does nothing for the PC gaming industry.

see my reply to him. a 9600gt or 8800gt didnt deliver hardly any difference over the 8600gt at lower res while using a 5000 X2. btw a 9600gt with a decent cpu can easily play Crysis on high settings at 1366x768 especially if you stick to DX9. 30-35 fps in Crysis is enough to feel okay to most people.

Crysis isn't the only game in the world.
Company of Heroes was the main game that the 3 of us played. On the 4670 system, he could only play it at medium settings, even at 1024x768. The guy with the 4870 could play smoothly at maxed settings at 1680x1050. And that's an RTS, though apparently not particularly cpu intensive.
Not even game waits the system equally, quite a few games are still able to average 60 fps on the higher clocked X2's. And nearly every game (save maybe GTA4) can average at least 30fps on the higher clocked X2's. If you claim 30-35 fps is okay, well a high clocked X2 can do that. It can probably even do it in crysis if you lower the settings enough.

BTW, I don't know what this guy's budget is (he seems to have disappeared), but I still recommend the 4850. They can be found for under $90, and I seriously doubt that any other recommendation will have better value.
I'd also strongly disagree with recommending a 256MB card, there's quite a few games out now that will be limited by that. 256MB was ok 2 years ago, but there's a lot of games now that will plummet into the 10-20fps range, regardless of the gpu speed, on a 256MB card now.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: happy medium
Looks like the lowest price 9600gt is 77$ on newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814143161

Why not spend the extra 13$ and grab a 4830?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814102822

If his psu will allow?

Why not just grab a 4850, when they're selling for as low as that 4830?

And I disagree that a 9600gt is enough at that res, there are some games that will stress a 9600gt even at 1024x768 once you max the graphics settings.

have you owned a 5000 X2 cpu? I did for 2 years and at a resolution like 1366x768 and especially 1024x768 a 4850 isnt going offer more when it comes to minimum framerate than a 9600gt can deliver in most cases. that res is too cpu bound and a 5000 X2 is not strong enough to push a 4850 to its full potential at such a low res. even a 9600gt wont get 100% utilized at that low res with a 5000 X2.

Have you actually played a gpu intensive game like Crysis? Of course you have. A 9600gt can not even play Crysis @ high settings comfortably even @ 1366x768 resolution. Never mind very high settings. Of course there are some games a 5000x2 can not handle well but majority of those CPU intensive games consist of MMORPG or the latest suck A console ports that does nothing for the PC gaming industry.

see my reply to him. a 9600gt or 8800gt didnt deliver hardly any difference over the 8600gt at lower res while using a 5000 X2. btw a 9600gt with a decent cpu can easily play Crysis on high settings at 1366x768 especially if you stick to DX9. 30-35 fps in Crysis is enough to feel okay to most people.

Crysis isn't the only game in the world.
Company of Heroes was the main game that the 3 of us played. On the 4670 system, he could only play it at medium settings, even at 1024x768. The guy with the 4870 could play smoothly at maxed settings at 1680x1050. And that's an RTS, though apparently not particularly cpu intensive.
Not even game waits the system equally, quite a few games are still able to average 60 fps on the higher clocked X2's. And nearly every game (save maybe GTA4) can average at least 30fps on the higher clocked X2's. If you claim 30-35 fps is okay, well a high clocked X2 can do that. It can probably even do it in crysis if you lower the settings enough.

BTW, I don't know what this guy's budget is (he seems to have disappeared), but I still recommend the 4850. They can be found for under $90, and I seriously doubt that any other recommendation will have better value.
I'd also strongly disagree with recommending a 256MB card, there's quite a few games out now that will be limited by that. 256MB was ok 2 years ago, but there's a lot of games now that will plummet into the 10-20fps range, regardless of the gpu speed, on a 256MB card now.

I talked about other games too. he can buy a 4850 for all I care. I am just saying that with his cpu and at such a low res that it wont come close to its potential in any game. unfortunately I probably spent more time testing UT3, Far Cry 2, Crysis and other games on various card on my 5000 X2 pc than I did playing them. I know what the 5000 X2 is capable of with various cards at low res and thats why I know longer own it.

 

[Shubhro1]

Thanks all of you for the replies. I am sorry, but i am still confused. What all should i change to play games like Far Cry2 in at least medium res? ATI or Nvidia, and which one? My budget is not very big. <$100 would be fine.

 

[TemjinGold]

Originally posted by: Shubhro1
Thanks all of you for the replies. I am sorry, but i am still confused. What all should i change to play games like Far Cry2 in at least medium res? ATI or Nvidia, and which one? My budget is not very big. <$100 would be fine.

If your monitor was a 17" CRT and you had a 9400gt, I'm guessing your PSU won't be able to handle a good modern video card. With such a small budget what you ask might not be possible if you need both a video card and a new PSU.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Shubhro1
Thanks all of you for the replies. I am sorry, but i am still confused. What all should i change to play games like Far Cry2 in at least medium res? ATI or Nvidia, and which one? My budget is not very big. <$100 would be fine.

if your PS can handle it, HD4850 fits your budget
- with STALKER, CS included!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...9&ref=dynamitedata.com

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that'll handle FC2

as to the PS requirements:

450 Watt or greater power supply with 75 Watt 6-pin PCI Express power connector recommended